Posted on 11/01/2005 4:21:43 PM PST by wagglebee
A student at a Catholic university in Pittsburgh is protesting the school's decision to punish him for opposing the formation of a homosexual student group on campus.
Duquesne University recently charged sophomore Ryan Miner with discrimination based on sexual orientation. Miner says he was punished for comments he made on a private website called Facebook.com after creating a group called "Against the Gay-Straight Alliance." Miner explains what happened.
"I had written a blog, and I used not the most prudent of words but words that I felt coincided within my faith in the Catholic Church," the student shares. "I said, 'Why do we have to tolerate the sub-human actions of people like this on campus?'"
Following his comments online, a judicial affairs panel at Duquesne found Miner guilty of "sexual orientation" harassment. As part of his punishment, he was ordered to take down his blog and write a ten-page expository essay on the pros and cons of homosexuality. Miner, who is appealing the action, believes the school is employing a double standard and can no longer claim to be a traditional or conventional Catholic institution.
"I think the essay is profoundly a bad idea because it argues on the viewpoints both for and against homosexuality," he says, "and the last time I checked I don't recall [seeing] any viewpoints especially for homosexuality regarding my faith in the Catholic Church and a God."
Miner notes he has been contacted by several conservative legal groups, but has yet to receive a call from the American Civil Liberties Union.
From his post it looks like he is all too familiar with the tactics of the 'gay' agenda promoters.
Between 1933 and 1945, an estimated 100,000 men were arrested, and of these, some 50,000 officially-defined homosexuals were sentenced. Most of these men spent time in regular prisons, and an estimated 5,000 to 15,000 were sent to concentration camps. Those defined as homosexuals were designated by a pink triangle. We do not know how many of these men died in the camps. (Jews who were homosexuals were killed because they were jews)
http://kdka.com/local/local_story_300132528.html
So you're comparing 5-10,000 sent to camps, not targeted for extinction, with the 6 million Jews sent to death camps for the purpose of mass slaughter? Actually, 6 million were killed; more were sent to the camps since some did manage to escape death.
And since many of the Nazis themselves were homosexuals, as well as many camp commanders, you cannot make a comparison between the treatment Jews received and that homosexuals received. Plus, I'd like to see a source for your numbers.
You are aware of the two camps of homosexuals in pre-war Germany, right? And why the "book burning" took place?
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His use of the word "sub-human" is unnessecary.
A homosexual is just as much a human as I even though I few them as wrong and misguided. He is not showing a very good Christ-like example.
Love the sinner, hate the sin... If he wanted to say "I wont promote this sub-human type of lifestyle" then I could understand his beef as its about the lifestyle, not any particular person or group. He didnt do that...he called them all sub-human because of their alternative morals (which I agree are disgusting at best).
The way he is using the word is similiar to how skinheads use the term towards jews and blacks. If you call a pedophile a sub-human, the general public takes it much better than if you call a person who has committed no crimes or are different than you sub-human.
Just my humble opinion of course.
I stand corrected...after reading his words, he did call the actions of homosexuality as sub-human.
Forget my previous post.
I at no time compared the deaths of homosexuals to those of others. I do think it is wrong to imprison and kill homosexuals, even one.
Duquesne is not a liberal school. My son is conservative and has not been punished for it. I just wanted to put this "controversy" in perspective.
My original post said that Mr. Miner had the right to say what he said. I also said he was wrong in the way he said it. He admits it himself.
My point was that a 10 page essay is small potatoes compared to what he could have expected at liberal schools. At Duquesne, they espouse writing accross the curriculum. They write 10 page essays just to go to the bathroom.
I never hinted or thought that you were a homosexual. Just pointing out fallacies in your statements.
I never suggested or thought that homosexuals should be imprisoned or killed. I do consider that sodomy should be illegal, to keep it out of parks, beaches, public restrooms, the public streets, and public school classrooms. IOW, to keep it private behavior, which was the intention of the laws anyway.
Homosexuals were not - NOT - sent to death camps in the same way Jews, gypsies, or other groups were. There were many kinds of camps, and homosexuals were in no way targeted for extinction. In fact, many of the homosexuals arrested and/or sent to camps were arrested for prostitution or weren't even homosexuals at all, but were arrested for political reasons and the homosexual charge was an excuse. The fact is that in Berlin especially in the 20s and 30s there was a huge homosexual contingent, social life, many many clubs, and so on. Many of the Nazis belonged to a number of homosexual organizations. In fact, at that time homosexuality was called the German vice. You ought to read "The Pink Swastika" and find out the facts about homosexuality, the Nazis, and Hitler.
I know nothing about Duquesne, but here is an article I just pinged out about a bunch of Catholic universities and their promotion of homosexuality:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1513575/posts
Catholic colleges discuss making school a good place for gays
I will!
I know you retracted this but for educational purposes: Christ called the scribes and pharisees vipers and snakes. Last I knew snakes were sub-human. Looks like Mr. Miner was following in some very sure footsteps
I agree. Miner should push this up the chain and let Pope Benedictus rule on this.
That could be cnsidered putting words in Jesus' mouth wouldnt you say?
The words he chose were symbolic
The Bible teaches that homosexuality is an abomination. "Sub-human" is an appropriate characterization.
There is NO benefit to joining a "gay-straight alliance."
What he said was correct and NOT "abhorrent."
Joining the group would have been wrong. One can still be a living witness without joining this type of group. I think you are missing the bigger picture here.... frankly to tell someone to write an essay on the good and bad points of something the Bible and our Lord clearly have taught us is sin and deviant is wrong. Would I write something positive about being a heroin addict, or stealing or any of the other commandments for that matter? Maybe when he's done writing his phony essay with some of the finer points of sodomy, he can write a second paper about how stealing from his school and cheating on his tests have positive points!!!!!
Pros:
Because going to the proctologist is so much fun.
Until you've had a rigid sigmoidoscopy, you just haven't lived.
You and your lover can save money by sharing your razor and shaving cream...
Because it's so much fun to look at a man's hairy ass and say, "Mmmmm, I want some of that!"
Well, I'm out of ideas.
Mark
I just posted Duquesne's response. The essay was on Catholic teaching about homosexuality, not "good and bad points".
He only admits it because he has been bullied into it.
Some university. Some education.
Pro: due to the very nature of their sexuality, they will breed (or more appropiately NOT breed) themselves out of existance.
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