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Lesbian to Seek Parental Rights in Washington
AP ^ | 11/3/2005

Posted on 11/03/2005 11:27:05 AM PST by kemathen7

OLYMPIA, Wash. — The Washington state Supreme Court on Thursday ruled that a woman who raised a child from birth to age 6 while in a relationship with the girl's biological mother can seek parental rights as a "de facto parent (search)," essentially creating a new class of parent in the state.

"Today we hold that our common law recognizes the status of de facto parents and places them in parity with biological and adoptive parents in our state," the court, led by Justice Bobbe J. Bridge, wrote in the 7-2 decision. "Neither the United States Supreme Court nor this court has ever held that 'family' or 'parents' are terms limited in their definition by a strict biological prerequisite."

Sue Ellen Carvin (search), who goes by "Mian," sued her former partner, Page Britain (search), in King County Superior Court in November 2002, alleging that Britain had unfairly cut off access to Britain's biological daughter, identified in court papers as L.B.

The two had been together for about six years when they decided to raise a child together. Britain was artificially inseminated and gave birth in 1995. For the next several years, Carvin stayed home to raise the girl, who called her "Mama" and Britain "Mommy."

But a year and a half ago, Britain and Carvin split. Britain married the sperm donor and subsequently barred Carvin from seeing L.B.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: butch; dyke; gay; homosexualagenda; lesbian; pervert
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To: kemathen7

I forget the case name, but not too long ago the SCOTUS
shot down Washingtons `grandparents visitation' statute,
so an appeal here is a certainty I'd think.


21 posted on 11/03/2005 11:54:22 AM PST by tumblindice
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To: Ramius
Thanks for a decent response, unlike those who simply chose to insult me.

Yours is a valid argument in favor of denying custody to the one partner. But, these lesbos who do this want it both ways. specifically:

A case in Sweden where they sued the sperm donor for child support. He lost.

Now this one. Sorry these people want to live their "lifestyle" without the responsibilities, then they hide behind or run to the courts when they change their minds. No. They made a decision, they should have to abide by the decision and not deny the woman who raised the child visitation.

22 posted on 11/03/2005 11:54:40 AM PST by Michael.SF. ('That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' Cindy Sheehan")
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To: after dark
If the court does try to force the little girl to have a relationship with a woman who is not blood against the wishes of the bio parents, the little girl will grow to hate the lesbian.

I doubt the little girl would be 'forced' to have a relationship with her. If the woman was good to her and treated her with love, the little girl probably loves her. If she grows to 'hate' the lesbian, it would be because of the attitude of the 'biological parents.' (Same dynamics as when hetero couples split and mom talks bad about the guy the kid thought of as dad all along.)

23 posted on 11/03/2005 11:55:23 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Michael.SF.

OK... I see your point.

My apologies.


24 posted on 11/03/2005 11:55:45 AM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: MEGoody
with her because mom went out and married the turkey baster?

if you have a serious question I will be glad to address it.

25 posted on 11/03/2005 11:56:39 AM PST by Michael.SF. ('That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' Cindy Sheehan")
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To: clee1
OK... I see your point.

Thank you.

26 posted on 11/03/2005 11:58:27 AM PST by Michael.SF. ('That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' Cindy Sheehan")
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To: kemathen7

If gays want the same "rights", they should suffer the same legal consequences. Wanna get married? Then file taxes jointly (can anyone say marriage penalty?). Wanna split up? Then get a legal divorce, risk getting charged with bigamy, pay child support, split community property assets, be co-responsible for the other partner's debts, etc. etc. (No, I'm not advocating gay marriage.)


27 posted on 11/03/2005 11:59:12 AM PST by ironmaidenPR2717 (You wouldn't worry so much about what most people think of you if you'd realize they really don't.)
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To: Ramius
"Today we hold that our common law recognizes the status of de facto parents and places them in parity with biological and adoptive parents in our state," the court, led by Justice Bobbe J. Bridge, wrote in the 7-2 decision. "Neither the United States Supreme Court nor this court has ever held that 'family' or 'parents' are terms limited in their definition by a strict biological prerequisite."

Until now, you were right. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

28 posted on 11/03/2005 12:00:45 PM PST by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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To: yldstrk

Just auess, but I wonder if mommy was having an affair with the "sperm donor". It doesn't say anything about artificial insemination in here.


29 posted on 11/03/2005 12:02:15 PM PST by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: kemathen7
Barring the bio parents turning out to abusive thugs the non bio mom does not have much hope of winning.

Lesbians should take this case into account when planning to have children. The lesbian who is not giving birth should insist that the sperm come from her brother. This way she would at least be the bio aunt of the child.
30 posted on 11/03/2005 12:02:30 PM PST by after dark
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To: ironmaidenPR2717

I'm with you. They can't have it both ways. You wanna play the pipe, you have to pay the piper.


31 posted on 11/03/2005 12:18:09 PM PST by Michael.SF. ('That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' Cindy Sheehan")
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To: MEGoody
This girl is still young enough to be shaped . The bio parents will have power over her opinions. Many divorced non custodial parents have had their child's mind poisoned by the custodial parents. It's not as hard as you would imagine.
32 posted on 11/03/2005 12:20:42 PM PST by after dark
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To: kemathen7
Anecdotal "gays raising children" story. I dated a guy whose parents lived next door to a lesbian couple. They wanted to have a child, and so did a gay male couple they knew. One of the lesbians decided to be the biological mother, then both of the gay men had sex with her so no one would know who the biological father was.

9 months later, here came a little boy. My former boyfriend's mom did day care for him. I have no idea what they are up to today, but man. What an odd arrangement. The kid had 4 "parents". I honestly wondered what would happen to that poor kid if they had a falling out.
33 posted on 11/03/2005 12:40:08 PM PST by kemathen7
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To: after dark
Lesbians should take this case into account when planning to have children.

A drama very much like this unfolded at my work earlier this year. Lesbian "family" with the biological mother and her partner each being "mommy" and then they split (the pretend mommy works here). Talk about a soap opera.

34 posted on 11/03/2005 12:41:30 PM PST by mitchbert (Facts Are Stubborn Things .)
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To: sionnsar
Ping. Judge Bobbe Bridge. Who knew? ;-)
35 posted on 11/03/2005 12:43:45 PM PST by IslandJeff
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To: Michael.SF.
Regardless of if we like their lifestyle or feel that the agreement to raise the child in a Lesbian household, is right or wrong, we have a situation where one partner is being denied the child she raised for several years.

The point you are leaving out is that the one 'partner' has no relationship whatsoever to the child. She is now, and always has been, no more than a long term baby sitter.

Should nannies have rights to the children they supervise? I think not.

Secondly, the 'partner' practices a lifestyle that has been shown to be detrimental to children. Homosexuals have a higher incidence of also being child molesters and because of this, for the sake of our children, every homosexual must be considered a child molester. It would be evil to put this child in a sitiation where she will certainly be molested. If not by the 'partner' then by one or more of the 'partners' friends.

36 posted on 11/03/2005 12:47:57 PM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Michael.SF.

They should just do as a friend of mine did. She got 2 dogs, they call them "the boys". Much easier, plus it fulfills thier need to be powerful over something.


38 posted on 11/03/2005 12:53:27 PM PST by freebird5850
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To: kemathen7

Bobbe Bridge is a well known activist judge and irresponsible alcoholic.


39 posted on 11/03/2005 12:56:58 PM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Dream Ticket: Cheney/Rice '08)
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To: MEGoody

Its absolutely about homosexuality. Homosexuals are perverts and I am not afraid to say it. Are you aware of any lesbians in the animal kingdom?

The child deserves and intact and normal family with a father and mother. Homosexuals should not be raising children or perhaps its ok with you that children be raised by satanists or drug addicts.


40 posted on 11/03/2005 1:02:07 PM PST by sasafras ("Licentiousness destroyes order, and when chaos ensues, the yearning for order will destroy freedom.)
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