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Math problems too big for our brains
Ottawa Citizen via The Windsor Star ^ | November 8 2005

Posted on 11/08/2005 8:48:52 AM PST by RightWingAtheist

Our brains have become too small to understand math, says a rebel mathematician from Britain. Or rather, math problems have grown too big to fit inside our heads. And that means mathematicians are finally losing the power to prove things with absolute certainty.

Math has been the only sure form of knowledge since the ancient Greeks, 2,500 years ago.

You can't prove the sun will rise tomorrow, but you can prove two plus two equals four, always and everywhere.

But suddenly, Brian Davies of King's College London is shaking the foundations of certainty.

He says our brains can't grasp today's complex, computer-generated math proofs.

"We are beginning to see the limits of our ability to understand things. We are animals, and our brains have a certain amount of capacity to understand things, and there are parts of mathematics where we are beginning to reach our limit.

"It is almost an inevitable consequence of the way mathematics has been done in the last century," he said in an interview.

Mathematicians work in huge groups, and with big computers.

A few still do it the old-fashioned way, he says: "By individuals sitting in their rooms for long periods, thinking.

"But there are other areas where the complexity of the problems is forcing people to work in groups or to use computers to solve large bits of work, ending up with the computer saying: 'Look, if you formulated the problem correctly, I've gone through all the 15 million cases and they all are OK, so your theorem's true'."

But the human brain can't grasp all this. And for Davies, knowing that a computer checked something isn't what matters most. It's understanding why the thing works that matters.

"What mathematicians are trying to get is insight and understanding. If God were to say, 'Look, here's your list of conjectures. This one's true, then false, false, true, true,' mathematicians would say: 'Look, I don't care what the answers are. I want to know why (and) understand it.' And a computer doesn't understand it.

"This idea that we can understand anything we believe is gradually disappearing over the horizon."

One example is the Four Colour Theorem.

Imagine a mapmaker wants to produce a colour map, where each country will be a different colour from any country touching it. In other words, France and Germany can't both be blue. That would be confusing.

So, what's the smallest number of colours that will work?

A kid can work out you need four colours. But can you prove it? Can anyone be certain, as with two-plus-two?

The answer turns out to be a hesitant Yes, but the proof depends on having a computer to work through page after page of stuff so complex that no single person can take it all in.

And it's getting worse, Davies writes in an article called "Whither Mathematics?" in today's edition of Notices of the American Mathematical Society, a math journal.

Math has tried to write a grand scheme for classifying "finite simple groups," a range of mathematical objects as basic to this discipline as the table of the elements is to chemistry -- but much bigger.

The full body of work runs to some 10,000 difficult pages. No human can ever understand all of it, either.

A year ago, Britain's Royal Society held a special symposium to tackle this question of certainty.

But many in the math community still shrug off the issue, Davies says. "Basically, mathematicians are not very good philosophers."


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: computers; epistemology; fuzzymath; mathamphetamine; mathematics; philosophy; science; thenewnewmath
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To: MikeinIraq

Calculus -- absolutely fascinating. Though one thing I found guaranteed to make you wonder how your left brain hemisphere is talking to your right brain hemisphere is datawarehousing design (in the midst of one right now -- trying to squeeze in another source with a radically different system logic)


161 posted on 11/09/2005 7:12:33 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: Cronos

I dunno. I threw them in because they had to be noted for something!


162 posted on 11/09/2005 7:30:37 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: MarkL
Yup, but the problem is that nobody can remember exactly what the question was...

What question? :) LOL

163 posted on 11/09/2005 7:53:27 AM PST by phantomworker (All roads lead back to Rome. Boldness has genius, power &magic in it..Begin your dissertation now!!)
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To: Tanniker Smith

I see math teacher's fingers stutter on the keys... :)


164 posted on 11/09/2005 8:06:53 AM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: Stingy Dog
"Why" is like infinity: we may get close to it, but never reach its end.

That is so cool... It explains why 1 + 1 does not always equal 2. (Limit theorems)

165 posted on 11/09/2005 10:10:59 AM PST by phantomworker (All roads lead back to Rome. Boldness has genius, power &magic in it..Begin your dissertation now!!)
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To: phantomworker
"Why" is like infinity: we may get close to it, but never reach its end.

That is so cool... It explains why 1 + 1 does not always equal 2. (Limit theorems)

And Zeno's paradox.

Mark

166 posted on 11/09/2005 10:18:20 AM PST by MarkL (I didn't get to where I am today by worrying about what I'd feel like tomorrow!)
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To: MarkL

Infinity and Zeno's paradox is what hooked me on going to grad school in math. Stupid move, but it was fun.


167 posted on 11/09/2005 10:26:53 AM PST by phantomworker (All roads lead back to Rome. Boldness has genius, power &magic in it..Begin your dissertation now!!)
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To: phantomworker
Infinity and Zeno's paradox is what hooked me on going to grad school in math. Stupid move, but it was fun.

I never went to grad school, but my brother was sure calculus was completely useless, until he needed to stain a large, irregular, curved deck... I think that he now (sort of) appreciates limits.

Mark

168 posted on 11/09/2005 10:31:33 AM PST by MarkL (I didn't get to where I am today by worrying about what I'd feel like tomorrow!)
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To: MarkL

I've always heard that 'calculus' separates the men from the boys. LOL


169 posted on 11/09/2005 10:43:04 AM PST by phantomworker (All roads lead back to Rome. Boldness has genius, power &magic in it..Begin your dissertation now!!)
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To: Stingy Dog
"Why" is like infinity: we may get close to it, but never reach its end.

I like this so much. Would you mind if I used it in a tagline someday. Or did you borrow it from someone else? Thanks.

170 posted on 11/09/2005 1:32:48 PM PST by phantomworker (All roads lead back to Rome. Boldness has genius, power &magic in it..Begin your dissertation now!!)
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To: RightWingAtheist
A few still do it the old-fashioned way, he says: "By individuals sitting in their rooms for long periods, thinking.

geez, i too sit in my room for long periods, thinking... about lunch

171 posted on 11/09/2005 1:40:24 PM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: RightWingAtheist
Bull.

AmishDude, Ph. D. in mathematics.

The fact is, the old areas are drying up. (But they still have large amounts of tenured faculty.) I wouldn't be surprised if this guy was an algebraic topologist.

173 posted on 11/09/2005 3:00:18 PM PST by AmishDude (Amishdude, the one and only.)
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To: AmishDude
"Basically, mathematicians are not very good philosophers."

That's just not true. I agree. The author is full of it. He's probably from the school who still does long division.

What is your field of study, AmishDude? Just curious. Know anything about profile monitoring and generalized least squares?

174 posted on 11/09/2005 3:29:36 PM PST by phantomworker (All roads lead back to Rome. Boldness has genius, power &magic in it..Begin your dissertation now!!)
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To: phantomworker

I'm an extremal and probabilistic combinatorialist. I don't know what you refer to by "profile monitoring" and "generalized least squares" but I suspect I know what it is under a different name.


175 posted on 11/09/2005 5:14:53 PM PST by AmishDude (Amishdude, the one and only.)
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To: AmishDude

My masters is in Prob & Stat from the math dept at UCSB. I think I had one course in combinatorics. My PhD dissertation uses statistical profile monitoring, which is an extension of statistical process control (SPC). Least squares relates, of course, to linear regression. Generalized least squares is looking at nonlinear regression such as logistical regression. I am looking at a response variable and using GLS to estimate the deviation from the expected value. Usually the response is a process as in SPC. My contribution will be the human response, such as a soldier response. I am trying to formulate the question I want to answer this quarter.

Does this make any sense to you at all? Did you study any mathematical statistics?


176 posted on 11/09/2005 8:30:48 PM PST by phantomworker (All roads lead back to Rome. Boldness has genius, power &magic in it..Begin your dissertation now!!)
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To: Cronos
You can't divide by 0.

Sure you can, and this is a meaningful result. 0/0 (ie "indeterminate") is logically different from, say [a positive real]/0 (eg 1/0 = "undefined".) 0/0 could be anything - 1, 3.5, pi, you name it. The point is that on a meaningfully infinite scale, 1 and 2 (or any two other positive reals) are exactly the same.
177 posted on 11/09/2005 11:47:31 PM PST by notfornothing
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