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Is Intelligent Design a Bad Scientific Theory or a Non-Scientific Theory?
Tech Central Station ^ | 11/10/2005 | Uriah Kriegel

Posted on 11/10/2005 4:43:24 AM PST by Nicholas Conradin

In an election in Pennsylvania this week, voters tossed out eight members of the Pittsburgh school board who wanted Intelligent Design theory to be taught alongside evolution in school. But should Intelligent Design -- the theory that living organisms were created at least in part by an intelligent designer, not by a blind process of evolution by natural selection -- be taught in public schools? In one way, the answer to this question is simple: if it's a scientific theory, it should; if it's not, it shouldn't (on pain of flaunting the Establishment Clause). The question, however, is whether Intelligent Design (ID) is a scientific theory.

Opponents dismiss ID's scientific credentials, claiming that the theory is too implausible to qualify as scientific. But this reasoning is fallacious: a bad scientific theory is still a scientific theory, just as a bad car is still a car. There may be pedagogical reasons to avoid teaching bad scientific theories in our public schools, but there are no legal ones. The Constitution contains no interdiction on teaching bad theories, or for that matter demonstrably false ones. As long as theory is science and not religion, there is no legal barrier to teaching it.

To make their case, opponents of teaching ID must show not just that the theory is bad, but that it's not science. This raises a much more complicated question: What is science? What distinguishes genuinely scientific theories from non-scientific ones?

In one form or another, the question has bothered scientists and philosophers for centuries. But it was given an explicit formulation only in the 1920s, by Karl Popper, the most important 20th century philosopher of science. Popper called it "the problem of demarcation," because it asked how to demarcate scientific research and distinguish it from other modes of thought (respectable though they may be in their own right).

One thing Popper emphasized was that a theory's status as scientific doesn't depend on its plausibility. The great majority of scientific theories turn out to be false, including such works of genius as Newton's mechanics. Conversely, the story of Adam and Eve may well be pure truth, but if it is, it's not scientific truth, but some other kind of truth.

So what is the mark of genuine science? To attack this question, Popper examined several theories he thought were inherently unscientific but had a vague allure of science about them. His favorites were Marx's theory of history and Freud's theory of human behavior. Both attempted to describe the world without appeal to super-natural phenomena, but yet seem fundamentally different from, say, the theory of relativity or the gene theory.

What Popper noticed was that, in both cases, there was no way to prove to proponents of the theory that they were wrong. Suppose Jim's parents moved around a lot when Jim was a child. If Jim also moves around a lot as an adult, the Freudian explains that this was predictable given the patterns of behavior Jim grew up with. If Jim never moves, the Freudian explains -- with equal confidence -- that this was predictable as a reaction to Jim's unpleasant experiences of a rootless childhood. Either way the Freudian has a ready-made answer and cannot be refuted. Likewise, however much history seemed to diverge from Marx's model, Marxists would always introduce new modifications and roundabout excuses for their theory, never allowing it to be proven false.

Popper concluded that the mark of true science was falsifiability: a theory is genuinely scientific only if it's possible in principle to refute it. This may sound paradoxical, since science is about seeking truth, not falsehood. But Popper showed that it was precisely the willingness to be proven false, the critical mindset of being open to the possibility that you're wrong, that makes for progress toward truth.

What scientists do in designing experiments that test their theories is create conditions under which their theory might be proven false. When a theory passes a sufficient number of such tests, the scientific community starts taking it seriously, and ultimately as plausible.

When Einstein came up with the theory of relativity, the first thing he did was to make a concrete prediction: he predicted that a certain planet must exist in such-and-such a place even though it had never been observed before. If it turned out that the planet did not exist, his theory would be refuted. In 1919, 14 years after the advent of Special Relativity, the planet was discovered exactly where he said. The theory survived the test. But the possibility of failing a test -- the willingness to put the theory up for refutation -- was what made it a scientific theory in the first place.

To win in the game of science, a theory must be submitted to many tests and survive all of them without being falsified. But to be even allowed into the game, the theory must be falsifiable in principle: there must be a conceivable experiment that would prove it false.

If we examine ID in this light, it becomes pretty clear that the theory isn't scientific. It is impossible to refute ID, because if an animal shows one characteristic, IDers can explain that the intelligent designer made it this way, and if the animal shows the opposite characteristic, IDers can explain with equal confidence that the designer made it that way. For that matter, it is fully consistent with ID that the supreme intelligence designed the world to evolve according to Darwin's laws of natural selection. Given this, there is no conceivable experiment that can prove ID false.

It is sometimes complained that IDers resemble the Marxist historians who always found a way to modify and reframe their theory so it evades any possible falsification, never offering an experimental procedure by which ID could in principle be falsified. To my mind, this complaint is warranted indeed. But the primary problem is not with the intellectual honesty of IDers, but with the nature of their theory. The theory simply cannot be fashioned to make any potentially falsified predictions, and therefore cannot earn entry into the game of science.

None of this suggests that ID is in fact false. For all I've said, it may well be pure truth. But if it is, it wouldn't be scientific truth, because it isn't scientific at all. As such, we shouldn't allow it into our science classrooms. At least that's what the Constitution says.

The writer teaches philosophy at the University of Arizona.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: crevolist; evilution; evolution; goddoodit; id; idiocy; ignoranceisstrength; monkeygod; popper; science; theory
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To: wallcrawlr
All Right! I got my badge!

I supposed to be to afraid to be here too.., what up with that?? ha ha ha!

Ive been called pretty much everything in the name of the furthering of evo, LOL!! And I've tried to dish it back a little too.

But.., sigh, I can only rate a 2 to 3 on the evo magnitude scale of forum abuse, and these guys are a 7+

LMAO!!

Wolf
221 posted on 11/10/2005 1:21:30 PM PST by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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To: Sofa King
challenge to what?

JM
222 posted on 11/10/2005 1:21:44 PM PST by JohnnyM
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To: music_code
You say it teaches that the existing diverse life on earth originated from common ancestry. Very well. By what process, I ask? By a mechanism which no one has ever seen in action, no one can explain, for which no evidence exists, etc...?

No, by mutation coupled with selective pressures favouring certain emerging traits. Who told you that the mechanism can't be explained or has never been seen in action? Mutations and natural selection have both been observed.

If you propose this irrational explanation, why should I or anyone else believe what you say regarding what evolution supposedly does or doesn't say about the origin of life?

What is irrational about the explanation besides your assertion that it is irrational and your denial of actual observed events?

Where did the common ancestral life forms come from? Did they evolve too?

The procesess by which the original life forms emerged was not evolution, because evolution can only occur when life exists. It is an important question in biology, and research is being done in the field, but ultimately how those first life forms came to exist does not in any way affect the validity of the theory of evolution. They could have been molecules forming chains due to simple chemistry, they could have been interdimensional aliens seeding the planet, they could have been zap-poofed into existence by a divine agent or time-travelling humans from the future could have placed them and the theory of evolution does not change one bit.
223 posted on 11/10/2005 1:22:46 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: JohnnyM

I'll take that as a 'yes'.


224 posted on 11/10/2005 1:23:05 PM PST by Sofa King (A wise man uses compromise as an alternative to defeat. A fool uses it as an alternative to victory.)
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To: RunningWolf
Hmm. We've already had a creationist openly admit that they take strength in their ignorance. Now they take pride in their dishonesty.

So creationists find strength in ignorance and pride in dishonesty. I wonder what other "virtues" they value.
225 posted on 11/10/2005 1:24:17 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: JohnnyM

The operative word there is "creationist." They're the ones claiming it should be easy to classify remains as either "ape" or "man" -- but then have difficulty doing so. Real scientists don't go in for this pigeon-holing. They understand all those remains fall along a spectrum such that it would be difficult (if every critter that made up the spectrum left its remains in the hands of scientists) to point out where one "species" ends and the next begins.


226 posted on 11/10/2005 1:26:00 PM PST by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: Junior
my claim is this: If you had the whole skeleton to which this fossil belongs, then classification would be simpler.

The impression is that science finds a singleton fossil, and if it doesn't match up exactly with certain criteria, say for a human/homo sapien skull, than it most likely is a new species or some intermediary species. Then they claim that it is further evidence for evolution. That seems like a jump.

JM
227 posted on 11/10/2005 1:31:58 PM PST by JohnnyM
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To: Junior
"They're the ones claiming it should be easy to classify remains"

They dont seem to be claiming that, at least from Ichy's post. The claim is that it should be easy to classify animals into kinds. I dont think they are saying it is easy to classify singleton fossils into kinds. Big difference.

If we saw the bodies associated with those fossil skulls we would know that it is either a human, an ape, or something in between without much debate, but to make that claim without sufficient evidence, seems disengenuous.

JM
228 posted on 11/10/2005 1:35:56 PM PST by JohnnyM
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To: JohnnyM; Ichneumon
They dont seem to be claiming that, at least from Ichy's post.

They most certainly do. Ichneumon simply recorded their own statements on the matter and presented them in a compare/contrast manner.

229 posted on 11/10/2005 1:38:39 PM PST by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: Sofa King
"Musculature (and body posture) is mostly based on the skeleton"

So aside from posture, musculature, skeleton, and hair what else is different between an ape and a man?

You're taking away all my options. Im reminded of the Life of Brian skit:

"All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?"

JM
230 posted on 11/10/2005 1:42:01 PM PST by JohnnyM
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To: Junior; P-Marlowe

If the story of how the 10 commandments came about is a fictionalized account, then how do you know where the fiction ends and the factual begins?

It's a little like the Dan Rather Memo's.

Yes, America, these are forgeries, but they preserve the truth.


231 posted on 11/10/2005 1:44:15 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Dimensio
No, by mutation coupled with selective pressures favouring certain emerging traits. Who told you that the mechanism can't be explained or has never been seen in action? Mutations and natural selection have both been observed.

Mutations have been observed, and in 99.9% of all cases they prove harmful to the organism. Natural selection by itself makes no new things. It is actually the permanent loss of information. It is not the creative, uphill, limitless process imagined by Darwin.

232 posted on 11/10/2005 1:44:33 PM PST by music_code (Atheists can't find God for the same reason a thief can't find a policeman.)
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To: xzins
If the story of how the 10 commandments came about is a fictionalized account, then how do you know where the fiction ends and the factual begins?

Indeed. One might ask the same about Buddha or Confucious. Does it matter if the story is factual as long as it's true?

233 posted on 11/10/2005 1:46:09 PM PST by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: Ichneumon
You're Sofa King right!

Hee hee!

234 posted on 11/10/2005 1:47:35 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Expect no response if you're a troll, lunatic, retard, or incurable ignoramus.)
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To: music_code
Mutations have been observed, and in 99.9% of all cases they prove harmful to the organism.

Citation for this percentage. please.
235 posted on 11/10/2005 1:49:34 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio

Ed Lewis investigated and won a Nobel Prize in 1995 for discovering a small set of genes that affect different body parts (Hox or Homeobox). They act like ‘architects of the body.’ Mutations in these can cause ‘dramatic’ changes. Many experiments have been performed on fruit flies (Drosophila), where poisons and radiation induced mutations.

The problem is that they are always harmful. PBS 2 showed an extra pair of wings on a fly, but failed to mention that they were a hindrance to flying because there are no accompanying muscles. Both these flies would be eliminated by natural selection.


236 posted on 11/10/2005 1:54:45 PM PST by music_code (Atheists can't find God for the same reason a thief can't find a policeman.)
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To: Junior; xzins
Does it matter if the story is factual as long as it's true?

Let's see how that question looks in bold:

Does it matter if the story is factual as long as it's true?

237 posted on 11/10/2005 1:56:19 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: music_code

Again, citation for the 99.9% number.


238 posted on 11/10/2005 1:57:06 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Junior

So then, HOW do you know when the fiction ends and the factual begins?

Moses received the commandments on the mountain from God. What part of that story is certainly true if any part of it is false?


239 posted on 11/10/2005 1:57:57 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Dimensio
Again, citation for the 99.9% number.

Why?

240 posted on 11/10/2005 2:00:35 PM PST by music_code (Atheists can't find God for the same reason a thief can't find a policeman.)
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