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Phelps & WBC to protest Soldier's Funeral - 11/11 in Greeley, CO
Media Sources & WBC Website ^ | Nov. 10, 2005 | Various

Posted on 11/10/2005 12:21:18 PM PST by LibertyRocks

OPERATION HERO ALERT:

Funeral Services for Army Pfc. Tyler MacKenzie
Counter-Protest of WBC
Friday, 11/11/2005
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints - Greeley, CO

OPERATION HERO is spreading word of a planned picket by Westboro Baptist Church
during the funeral services for Army Pfc. Tyler MacKenzie.

Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church will be picketing during the
funeral service for Pfc. MacKenzie on Friday, November 11 in Greeley, CO.
This anti-Troops/anti-war "liberal" hate group will be protesting
from 11:30am - 12:00pm outside The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints,
located at 501 49th Avenue, in Greeley. MacKenzie's funeral service is scheduled to begin
at noon - therefore the protest is scheduled for the time when his family and friends
will be arriving at the church.

Please show your support for this hero!

Info about Army Pfc. Tyler MacKenzie

Fallen soldier comes back home for good
Tyler MacKenzie, 20, is remembered for devotion to football
The Rocky Mountain News
http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4226812,00.html

Services Set Friday for Tyler MacKenzie
The Greeley Tribune
http://www.greeleytrib.com/article/20051108/NEWS/111080055

Weld soldier dies
The Greeley Tribune
http://www.greeleytrib.com/article/20051105/NEWS/111050094/0/FRONTPAGE

Remembering Tyler: An online memorial

The Greeley Tribune
Post a message to friends and family...
http://www.greeleytrib.com/article/20051104/NEWS/51104003

OUR HEROES DESERVE YOUR SUPPORT!

BACKGROUND INFO about the church group -
Search on keyword WBC or Fred Phelps here at FR to uncover a whole lot of info and stories
about their past activities. WARNING: It will make you sick!
Gore Political Ties to "God Hates Fags" Founders Uncovered -
http://www.lcrga.com/archive/200010251159.shtml

RE: WBC & FRED PHELPS - The Military's View...

FORCE PROTECTION (FP) ADVISORY MESSAGE 05-180

(THREAT TO MILITARY FUNERALS)// REF/A/MSG/CMC/051956Z JUL 05//REF A IS HQ USNORTHCOM FORCE PROTECTION (FP) ADVISORY MESSAGE 05-180 (THREAT TO MILITARY FUNERALS)// RMKS/

1. REQUEST WIDEST DISSEMINATION POSSIBLE TO ALL COMMANDS, UNITS AND PERSONNEL. ENSURE SITUATIONAL AWARENESS FOR ALL DOD PERSONNEL PARTICIPATING IN OR ATTENDING FUNERAL SERVICES FOR MILITARY MEMBERS.

2. USNORTHCOM IS TRANSMITTING THIS FP ADVISORY BASED ON RECENT REPORTS OF PROTEST GROUP ACTIVITIES TO PICKET MILITARY FUNERALS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.

2.A. A GROUP FROM WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH (WBC) LOCATED IN TOPEKA, KANSAS HAS PROTESTED OR IS PLANNING TO PICKET AND PROTEST AT PUBLIC FUNERALS OF PERSONNEL KILLED IN THE WAR ON TERRORISM. THIS GROUP HAS REPORTEDLY ANNOUNCED VIA THEIR WEBSITE THAT THEY INTEND TO PROTEST FUNERALS IN ALABAMA, CALIFORNIA, DELAWARE, IOWA, IDAHO, ILLINOIS, KANSAS, MICHIGAN, MINNESOTA, NEW YORK, PENNSYLVANIA, WISCONSIN, AND WEST VIRGINIA.

2.B. THERE IS NO INFORMATION TO INDICATE THAT THIS GROUP PLANS ANY FORM OF VIOLENT ACTIVITY AND THEY ARE NOT KNOWN TO INITIATE PHYSICAL CONTACT. HOWEVER, THIS GROUP DOES EMPLOY PASSIVE-AGGRESSIVE TECHNIQUES INTENDED TO PROVOKE A HOSTILE RESPONSE OR OFFENSIVE REACTION FROM OTHERS. THEY WILL EMPLOY WRITTEN AND VERBAL INFLAMMATORY LANGUAGE AGAINST THE DECEASED PERSON, THEIR FAMILY, AND MILITARY PERSONNEL TO ELICIT DESIRED RESPONSES. THIS GROUP WILL THEN FILE A CIVIL ACTION IN AN EFFORT TO REACH A SETTLEMENT IN ORDER TO FUND FUTURE ACTIVITIES.

3. SERVICES AND MILITARY UNITS PERFORMING AND SUPPORTING PUBLIC ACCESSIBLE FUNERAL DETAILS SHOULD:

3.A. ENSURE LOCAL AREA THREAT ASSESSMENTS CONSIDER THIS AS A POTENTIAL THREAT.

3.B. COORDINATE WITH LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT/CIVILIAN AUTHORITIES AT ANY TIME WBC MEMBERS OR SIMILAR ORGANIZATIONS ARE BELIEVED TO BE PROTESTING.

4. ALL DOD PERSONNEL/FAMILY MEMBERS PARTICIPATING IN OR ATTENDING MILITARY FUNERALS SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THE FOLLOWING:

4.A. SITUATIONAL AWARENESS OF REPORTED ACTIVITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE WBC AND THEIR METHODS.

4.B. DO NOT PERSONALLY ENGAGE PROTESTORS IN ANY WAY; VERBALLY OR PHYSICALLY.

4.C. ALLOW CIVILIAN AUTHORITIES TO ADDRESS ANY INFLAMMATORY SITUATIONS OR EFFORTS TO IMPEDE THE FUNERAL PROCESSIONAL

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; US: Colorado; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: colorado; fredphelps; mackenzie; phelps; wbc; westboro
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Please spread the word...
Let's show our support!

1 posted on 11/10/2005 12:21:21 PM PST by LibertyRocks
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To: Mr. Silverback; Earthdweller; Thunder90; Flora McDonald; SandRat; snowrip; bluesagewoman; ...
Last notice today...
WBC to protest in Greeley, CO tomorrow before Army Pfc. Tyler MacKenzie's funeral. Please pass along this information to those who may be able to help shield family and friends from their message of hatred...
2 posted on 11/10/2005 12:23:18 PM PST by LibertyRocks
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To: LibertyRocks

Somebody please explain to me why Phelps is doing this. He is the anti-gay guy, isn't he? What interest does he have in military funerals?


3 posted on 11/10/2005 12:27:51 PM PST by lady lawyer
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To: LibertyRocks; No Longer Free State; TSchmereL; GeorgiaDawg32; frankiep; txroadkill; Brilliant; ...

When I first saw the tease I saw the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, it threw me, but the funeral is an LDS funeral and another group is planning to protest his funeral.

This is SO WRONG .. please I do not know what we can do but know my prayer's are out there for this family and their patriotic soldier who gave all for this country.


4 posted on 11/10/2005 12:30:26 PM PST by Former Military Chick (I salute all our Vets, those who walked before me and all those who walk after me.)
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To: LibertyRocks

Perhaps this has already been discussed, but just in case - has anyone ever looked at where this jerk gets his money to do all this traveling? Is he independently wealthy, or is there a "soros" behind the scenes?

Anybody know?


5 posted on 11/10/2005 12:30:55 PM PST by Hegemony Cricket (Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof - usually by midmorning, or so.)
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To: LibertyRocks; No Longer Free State; TSchmereL; GeorgiaDawg32; frankiep; txroadkill; Brilliant; ...

When I first saw the tease I saw the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, it threw me, but the funeral is an LDS funeral and another group is planning to protest his funeral.

This is SO WRONG .. please I do not know what we can do but know my prayer's are out there for this family and their patriotic soldier who gave all for this country.


6 posted on 11/10/2005 12:32:40 PM PST by Former Military Chick (I salute all our Vets, those who walked before me and all those who walk after me.)
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To: lady lawyer

The man, and his cult, is consumed with hate. He's always protested the military actions in the gulf, going back several administrations.

Not surprisingly, he's run in the Democrat primaries for governor many times.


7 posted on 11/10/2005 12:35:01 PM PST by Deut28 (Cursed be he who perverts the justice)
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To: lady lawyer
Somebody please explain to me why Phelps is doing this. He is the anti-gay guy, isn't he? What interest does he have in military funerals?

Phelps is a professional left-wing bomb thrower pretending to be a Christian. His purpose, I think, is to make Christianity look bad with stunts like this one.

Hmm, I wonder what part the Mormon church has in all this. I've had my own less-than-pleasant experiences with Mormon mid and upper-level clergymen (specifically, when I got saved and joined a Southern Baptist church). I wonder what dog they have in this fight, if they have one at all.
8 posted on 11/10/2005 12:37:13 PM PST by JamesP81
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To: Former Military Chick

Jeepers... Thanks for the ping!


9 posted on 11/10/2005 12:37:56 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: JamesP81

I'm a Mormon. So was the fallen soldier and his family. They are holding his funeral at the church. Nothing sinister about that.


10 posted on 11/10/2005 12:41:53 PM PST by lady lawyer
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To: lady lawyer

Because, he also hates America. He's doing this because, according to his words, we have "spit in the face of God by allowing gays into the military". As I've often said- "God Bless whatever kills Fred Phelps".


11 posted on 11/10/2005 12:42:06 PM PST by richmwill
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To: LibertyRocks
”HOWEVER, THIS GROUP DOES EMPLOY PASSIVE-AGGRESSIVE TECHNIQUES INTENDED TO PROVOKE A HOSTILE RESPONSE OR OFFENSIVE REACTION FROM OTHERS. THEY WILL EMPLOY WRITTEN AND VERBAL INFLAMMATORY LANGUAGE AGAINST THE DECEASED PERSON, THEIR FAMILY, AND MILITARY PERSONNEL TO ELICIT DESIRED RESPONSES. THIS GROUP WILL THEN FILE A CIVIL ACTION IN AN EFFORT TO REACH A SETTLEMENT IN ORDER TO FUND FUTURE ACTIVITIES.”

Folks, there was a 1940’s case – Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire where the SCOTUS ruled that certain speech under certain conditions can be considered "fighting words," and that the person engaging in such speech can be punished if their utterances inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace.

If that doesn’t apply here, I don’t know what does. Now, be advised that in the interim, the courts haven’t favored the “fighting words’ doctrine but maybe as SCOTUS takes on a slightly different character and make-up, this might resurrect it. Maybe a test case is in order.

12 posted on 11/10/2005 12:43:13 PM PST by jim macomber (Author: "Bargained for Exchange", "Art & Part", "A Grave Breach" http://www.jamesmacomber.com)
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To: Admin Moderator; Sidebar Moderator; Jim Robinson

The post regarding the planned picket in Elkhart, Indiana of Maj. Bloomfield's visitation tomorrow keeps getting pulled - Can you tell me why? The other notices regarding the picketing in Colorado and Wisconsin are still up, but the one regarding Indiana keeps disappearing...

There are a total of three protests planned by this group tomorrow and the friends and families of these soldiers appreciate our support & spreading the word... Please see the following posts for proof:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1513300/posts?page=175#175

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1500918/posts?page=111#111

Thank you for your attention to this matter.
- LR


13 posted on 11/10/2005 12:46:19 PM PST by LibertyRocks
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To: jim macomber
Wisconsin, too?

I didn't think they had more than a few members.

-Eric

14 posted on 11/10/2005 12:46:56 PM PST by E Rocc
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To: LibertyRocks

Thank heaven. I have been praying for a picket around the funerals of our heroes so their families are not further pained by the protestors who have invaded their grief.


15 posted on 11/10/2005 12:47:13 PM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: LibertyRocks

The title line makes it sound as though they plan to protest that he have a funeral.


16 posted on 11/10/2005 12:53:23 PM PST by x5452
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To: x5452

Should probably add the word "at" in there... Thanks for pointing that out. (o:


17 posted on 11/10/2005 12:54:57 PM PST by LibertyRocks
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To: lady lawyer
I'm a Mormon. So was the fallen soldier and his family. They are holding his funeral at the church. Nothing sinister about that.

Certainly not. I apologize if I offended you in any way, but I have some strong opinions on this matter that aren't really relevant to this discussion and should be saved for a more appropriate thread.

Phelps, though, has got sinister written all over him. I would not be a bit surprised to find out he was funded by some rich left-winger somewhere. It's the kind of chicanery that the left is always accusing Rove of but that they actually engage in themselves.

Isn't this the same guy that wants to move a bunch of Christians into each state and then vote to secede? Sounds like something that Jesus definitely wouldn't do. In fact, Jesus didn't even start a war when he could have against flat out pagans that were occupying the Holy Land.
18 posted on 11/10/2005 12:55:53 PM PST by JamesP81
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To: jan in Colorado

ping


19 posted on 11/10/2005 12:56:04 PM PST by Albion Wilde (America will not run, and we will not forget our responsibilities. George W. Bush)
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To: OldFriend

If I am not working tommorrow I will fire up the Harley and ride over with a few "brothers". Will pass this on to all the bikers I know in the area. I hope the LDS does not find us offensive.


20 posted on 11/10/2005 12:57:54 PM PST by Sterco
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To: Trteamer
PING...HEADS UP - Can Greeley Freepers respond to this? VFW Loveland, Evans and Greeley will be responding.

County GOP party is organizing against this as well....PING TO ALL WELD COUNTY FREEPERS

21 posted on 11/10/2005 1:00:47 PM PST by NorCoGOP (Visit my blog! http://shawnsblogroom.blogspot.com)
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To: Sterco
I'm just so proud of all who help these families.

Thanks so much for doing your part.

22 posted on 11/10/2005 1:01:44 PM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: Sterco

This is the same group that stood outside Ronald Reagan's funeral with signs saying "God hates fags" (the last I read in the Bible, God doesn't hate anyone, only the evil they may do) and expressing joy at this great president's death. They are first class, low rent scum.


23 posted on 11/10/2005 1:02:00 PM PST by laconic
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To: LibertyRocks

TAPS

RIP Pfc Tyler MacKenzie


Amazing Grace

24 posted on 11/10/2005 1:03:07 PM PST by Kathy in Alaska (~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~ Operation Season's Greeting~)
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To: NorCoGOP

Glad to hear that! Thanks for letting us know that those within the state are aware and are preparing for this. (o:


25 posted on 11/10/2005 1:11:55 PM PST by LibertyRocks
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To: laconic
This is the same group that stood outside Ronald Reagan's funeral with signs saying "God hates fags" (the last I read in the Bible, God doesn't hate anyone, only the evil they may do) and expressing joy at this great president's death. They are first class, low rent scum.

Well said and Amen. It takes a truly depraved person to these kinds of things. I'm serious: protesting a military funeral ought to be a felony. Period. The End.
26 posted on 11/10/2005 1:13:03 PM PST by JamesP81
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To: laconic

I'm more than half convinced that he's been funded by Soros or someone at this point.


27 posted on 11/10/2005 1:14:28 PM PST by furquhart (Cheney-Bush '08)
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To: laconic
Malachi 1:2(b)-3
...."{Was} not Esau Jacob's brother?" declares the LORD. "Yet I have R4 loved Jacob; 3 but I have hated Esau, and I have made R5 his mountains a desolation and {appointed} his inheritance for the jackals of the wilderness."
28 posted on 11/10/2005 1:15:12 PM PST by Spirited
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To: LibertyRocks; fivetoes; softengine; BikerTrash; CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC; RandallFlagg
PING

Eagle's UP

29 posted on 11/10/2005 1:15:46 PM PST by NorCoGOP (Visit my blog! http://shawnsblogroom.blogspot.com)
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To: Albion Wilde; Jenny Hatch; ajolympian2004; Pat in Colorado; Army mom-Ruth
Thank you so much Albion Wilde for the ping.

I am now trying to change my schedule so that I can be there tomorrow to support Army Pfc. Tyler MacKenzie's family!
30 posted on 11/10/2005 1:23:43 PM PST by jan in Colorado (As Rush predicted...the Dems are imploding!)
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To: LibertyRocks

Have you called in the bikers??? My impression of LDS is that they might not really like that, but at least the family won't be able to hear Phelps Welps yelp.

Phelps is a deranged bastard. His kids are nuts, and why can we not get an injunction against him desecrating funerals??


31 posted on 11/10/2005 1:37:18 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: LibertyRocks
Good Grief! I had no idea that it was possible in any way for any kind of Baptist to also be a liberal! The Baptists I knew up with were very, very conservative.

Baptists or whatever these scum are calling themselves are the lowest of all the bottom feeders! This is wrong, wrong, wrong on every level!

33 posted on 11/10/2005 1:38:42 PM PST by top 2 toe red
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To: Sterco

"I hope the LDS does not find us offensive."

I am a mormon mom in Louisville, and hope to come help with my kids and husband. I think it would be great if those of you who are on bikes talked to the Mormon Bishop who is leading the service beforehand and just let him know that the revving of the engines is a way to drown out the anti-war losers. It would be good for him to know who is there defending our fallen soldier.

Just reading this thread made my blood boil. Let's all go and support this family. Most of the LDS people I know are proud patriots. If you want I can find out who the bishop is and contact him tonight.

Jenny Hatch


34 posted on 11/10/2005 1:38:57 PM PST by Jenny Hatch (Healthy Families Make A Healthy World!)
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To: Jeff Head

Jeff - Do you have connections within the LDS church for help in this?


35 posted on 11/10/2005 1:40:50 PM PST by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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To: LibertyRocks

These "people" protested this week in Edmond, Oklahoma, at the funeral of a soldier killed in Iraq. The next day the local newspaper, The Daily Oklahoman, had an article on its front page about the funeral, the number of people attending it, the honors paid to this soldier, the ordinary people lining the streets from the church to the cemetery to pay their respects. Nowhere in the article was any mention of the protesters. That was written about in a separate article several pages back. The protest was covered, not censored, but not in the same article. The paper would not pollute its coverage and respect for this fallen soldier by including in the same article any mention of these hateful protesters.


36 posted on 11/10/2005 1:42:40 PM PST by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: Sterco
If I am not working tommorrow I will fire up the Harley and ride over with a few "brothers". Will pass this on to all the bikers I know in the area. I hope the LDS does not find us offensive.

Call in sick. I'm a little concerned whether the family would take offense, but better patriots on hogs, than nutcases shouting horrible things at the family.

37 posted on 11/10/2005 1:44:41 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

They have been here in Kentucky protesting. A few bikers revving engines and no one even knew the protesters were there.


38 posted on 11/10/2005 2:00:16 PM PST by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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To: Former Military Chick
This is absolutely disgusting.

This is a funeral, it is a solemn occasion and the dignity of the deceased and their family should take precedence over everything else. Anyone who would plan to interfere with this is too worthless to be described as human.

39 posted on 11/10/2005 2:02:48 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

I just left a message with the stake president of the Greeley stake, and plan to follow up with a phone call tonight. At least he and the family will be aware and prepared.

Jenny Hatch


40 posted on 11/10/2005 2:07:18 PM PST by Jenny Hatch (Healthy Families Make A Healthy World!)
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To: Jenny Hatch

If they want to protest the war, then that's fine. But a funeral is not the place to do it. I am getting ill just thinking about this.


41 posted on 11/10/2005 2:11:59 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Sterco
I think you may find more than a few biker "brothers" in the area.

Things are coming together nicely.

Details later in AAR. Let's just say it might be quite noisy with all those engines revving, and, the more the merrier.

42 posted on 11/10/2005 2:21:19 PM PST by NorCoGOP (Visit my blog! http://shawnsblogroom.blogspot.com)
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To: weldgophardline

PING.


43 posted on 11/10/2005 2:23:26 PM PST by NorCoGOP (Visit my blog! http://shawnsblogroom.blogspot.com)
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To: SLB

Right on dude! I just wish there was a way to make them disappear from these funerals.


44 posted on 11/10/2005 2:28:26 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: Former Military Chick

Here's hoping that the Indiana Freepers can organize the local Bikers, Veteran Organizations, and anyone else they can think; the entire High School Band Playing continously outside would be nice.


45 posted on 11/10/2005 2:55:10 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: LibertyRocks

This needs to be taken to the police department in your area also. These nutjobs were headed towards Montana and the police were given a heads up and helped stop the protest.


46 posted on 11/10/2005 2:58:40 PM PST by Cate
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To: LibertyRocks

These jerks make me sick. Not only are they protesting a hero's funeral but they're doing it on the day we honor our heroes. Disgusting. Wish I could be there to help.


47 posted on 11/10/2005 3:18:44 PM PST by 14erClimb
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To: wagglebee

"If they want to protest the war, then that's fine. But a funeral is not the place to do it. I am getting ill just thinking about this."


Agreed. I just got off the phone with the Stake Presidents wife and she said he is very aware of the Anti-War demonstrators. The greely police plan to have an additional 12 officers on duty to help with the protestors.

I explained to her how Freepers have been going to the funerals on motorcycles and revving the engines so that the anti-war creeps can't be heard, and asked her if she thought the family would be OK with that.

She said that she did not think it would be respectful to the reverence of the funeral.

I was going to attend the anti-war demo before this funeral and Freep my heart out, but have decided to stay home out of respect for the family and let the Greeley police handle this one.

Anyone want to start a campaign for a new law to make it a felony to demonstrate at a funeral? Especially for our dead soldiers?


Jenny


48 posted on 11/10/2005 3:52:25 PM PST by Jenny Hatch (Healthy Families Make A Healthy World!)
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To: Jenny Hatch

here are a couple of links to stories about this...

http://www.claremoreprogress.com/archive/article22505


http://www.powmiariders.com/KS_Vets.html


http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9850431/


http://www.wgtndailynews.com/articles/2005/11/02/news/news1.txt

Jenny


49 posted on 11/10/2005 4:01:55 PM PST by Jenny Hatch (Healthy Families Make A Healthy World!)
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To: Jenny Hatch

Will comply with the wishes of the family and remain home also. The Greeley police will do a good job of keeping this bunch at a distance and in line.


50 posted on 11/10/2005 4:02:22 PM PST by Sterco
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