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Iranian Alert - November 13, 2005 - Iran believes it can win a clash with the US
Regime Change Iran ^ | 11.14.2005 | DoctorZin

Posted on 11/12/2005 3:47:48 PM PST by DoctorZIn

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Iran believes it can win a clash with the US

Amir Taheri, The Jerusalem Post:
When Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad made his "wipe Israel off the map" remarks last month, many diplomats on both sides of the Atlantic rushed to explain, read between the lines and relativize what was an unambiguous statement of Teheran's long-established policy. They expressed the hope that Iran would "clarify" - meaning soften - its position.

That was followed by feverish diplomatic activities, mainly by the United Nations' Secretary-General Kofi Annan, to persuade Teheran to tone down Ahmadinejad's remarks. (Annan was forced to cancel a planned visit to Teheran after the Iranians told him they would not allow any conciliatory phrases into the final communique.)

Last week, however, Iran's "Supreme Guide" Ali Khamenehi, the nation's ultimate decision-maker under the Khomeinist Constitution, not only gave his ringing endorsement to Ahmadinejad's remarks, but went further by offering his "vision for Palestine."

Addressing a congregation at the end of Ramadan, Khamenehi said Iran rejected the two-states formula proposed by the US, and would fight for the creation of a single state encompassing Israel and the Palestinian territories. In such a state, power would be in the hands of Muslims, although some Jews would be allowed to remain, under unspecified conditions.

Khamenehi went further by suggesting that Israel's political and military leaders, especially Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, be tried on charges of crimes against humanity.


WHY HAS Teheran decided to play hardball? The answer is that it wants a clash with the US over the future of the Middle East, and is convinced that it can win.

For almost a quarter of a century the Islamic Republic has been trying to change the status quo in the region while the US sought to preserve it. After 9/11 President George W. Bush transformed the US into an anti-status quo power and introduced major changes by toppling the Taliban in Afghanistan and the Ba'ath in Iraq. Sooner or later a new status quo has to emerge in the Middle East. The question is whether it will be shaped by the US or by Iran.

Ahmadinejad believes that Iran has a better chance of putting its imprint on the new Middle East.

The US lacks staying power and Bush is an aberration in contemporary American history. All that the Islamic Republic needs to do is wait until the Bush presidency is either politically destroyed by its opponents in Washington or comes to the end of its term. Then, once Bush is crippled or gone, no American leader would have the stomach for a fight with Iran.

In the meantime, the only regional powers capable of challenging Iran's leadership are out of the race for different reasons. Turkey has decided to become part of Europe, and would not cherish the prospect of being sucked into the Middle East's deadly politics. Egypt, for its part, is heading for a period of instability under an octogenarian leader who just managed to retain power with the support of no more than 12% of the electorate in a rigged election.

Iran, on the other hand, has become more powerful. Internally, the soft-liners have been kicked out, allowing a new generation of radical revolutionaries to seize control of all levers of state power. Iran's oil income is at an all-time high, allowing the new president to buy popular support.

Abroad, while the US is bogged down by the insurgency in Iraq and the periodical resurfacing of the Taliban in Afghanistan, Iran has formed solid alliances in both countries. Iran has also emerged as the main supporter of Palestinian radical movements, some of which had been without a patron since the fall of Saddam Hussein. Next February, Teheran is scheduled to host the largest gathering of radical leaders from across the Muslim world to endorse its one-state formula for ending the Israel-Palestine conflict. Syria, isolated and terrified, has become even more dependent on Iranian support while Iran, operating through Hizbullah, remains a major player in Lebanon.

THE NEW Iranian leadership is also encouraged by the current weakness of the European Union. Germany is apparently unable to form a new government while Britain's influence is fading as Premier Tony Blair becomes a political lame duck. As for France, it is facing a Muslim intifada while its top three leaders are tearing each other apart over who should be a presidential candidate in 2007. Italy is heading for elections that seem certain to spell the end of pro-American Premier Silvio Berlusconi and the return of weak coalition governments.

Closer to home, Iran is positioning its pawns.

After more than a decade of relative quiet, Teheran has also reactivated its network of Shi'ite contacts in the Persian Gulf region.

A Shi'ite coalition was formed in Kuwait last month, while two Shi'ite parties in Bahrain have been told to go on the offensive against the emir and his policy of rapprochement with Israel. Teheran has also resumed contact with Saudi Shi'ite opposition leaders in exile.

In the meantime, Iran's massive military buildup has been accelerated, and it is no longer a mystery that the new leadership is seeking a nuclear arsenal within three to five years.

Teheran also counts on support form China and Russia. Thirsty for energy, China needs Iran, which holds the world's third-largest oil reserves and second-largest gas deposits. A plan, originally negotiated under the shah in 1975, for building 25 oil refineries in China was revived last September as part of Ahmadinejad's "Look East" policy. Russia needs Iran for two reasons: to help counter American influence in the Caspian Basin and Central Asia, and to forestall revolt among Russia's Muslim communities.

Iran also hopes to revive the moribund non-aligned movement as a global anti-American forum, with the help of allies such as President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela.

The state-owned media in Teheran are in combative gear. Echoing Ahmadinejad's analysis, the Iranian media present the West, led by the US, as a "sunset" (ofuli) power that must be taken on and defeated by a tolue'e (sunrise) Islamic power led by Iran. In that context the destruction of Israel becomes a key element in Teheran's strategy in the Middle East because Ahmadinejad knows that radical Sunni Arabs will not accept the leadership of Shi'ite Iran unless it is perceived as the only power capable of realizing their dream of wiping Israel off the map.

The writer, an Iranian author and journalist, is editor of the Paris-based Politique Internationale.

  • Eli Lake, The New York Sun reported that the Al Qaeda bombings in Jordan have provoked mass demonstrations with calls for Zarqawi to 'Burn in Hell.'
  • Amir Taheri, The New York Post examined Jordan's "not taking sides" policy towards Iraq.
  • The New York Times reported that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice distanced the Bush administration from a new proposal to resolve the Iranian nuclear dispute, saying: There is no U.S.-European proposal to the Iranians ... I want to say that categorically. There isn't and there won't be.
  • Los Angeles Times reported that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice made clear it would not support any solution that would leave Tehran in control of even small amounts of nuclear fuel.
  • CNN reported that Iran said on Friday it would not accept any proposal aimed at solving its nuclear standoff with the West that did not allow it to enrich uranium on its own territory.
  • Kaveh L Afrasiabi, Asia Times reported that the US is driving a wedge between Russia and Iran.
  • Michael Young, Tech Central Station discussed Richard N. Haass's proposal for a new foreign policy doctrine which he calls "integration."
  • Iran Focus reported that the radical group Ansar-e Hezbollah pledged to root out the “virus” of mal-veiled women, which they describe as more dangerous than the explosion of a nuclear bomb.
  • The Epoch Times reported on the upcoming UN Summit to decide the future control of the Internet. Britain no longer supports the US position.
  • Erik Schechter, The Jerusalem Post reviewed Britain's Iranian problem.
  • The Associated Press reported that Iran's intelligence minister said yesterday that Tehran has proof of a British connection to suspects in bombings in southern Iran, but never provided evidence.
  • And finally, BBC News reported on the "hostage" taking of a British man, his wife and an Australian man by Iranian authorities.


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1 posted on 11/12/2005 3:47:51 PM PST by DoctorZIn
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2 posted on 11/12/2005 3:49:07 PM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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bumping


3 posted on 11/12/2005 3:49:41 PM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: DoctorZIn
Is this like the DUmmies that were saying "I BELIEVE John Kerry will be President in January"?
4 posted on 11/12/2005 3:50:27 PM PST by varyouga (Reformed Kerry voter ( I know, I'm a frickin' idiot))
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To: DoctorZIn

5 posted on 11/12/2005 3:51:30 PM PST by SIDENET ("IT'S A COOKBOOK!!!")
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To: DoctorZIn

...sand to glass, Mr. President!


6 posted on 11/12/2005 3:51:38 PM PST by splint (...another proud member of the sand to glass club!)
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To: DoctorZIn

The Iranian people had better step up and oust their psycho leaders or else they're going to wind up being vaporized.


7 posted on 11/12/2005 3:53:06 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("Sharpei diem - Seize the wrinkled dog.")
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To: DoctorZIn

Israel has a very disciplined military, Superior technology, and better allies. Iran I would challenge you to try to invade, oh wait you would be repulsed before you could say "Islam is a religion of peace!!!" that is why your resorting to nuclear weapons.


8 posted on 11/12/2005 3:54:22 PM PST by Xenophon450 (In a world of spoonfed emotion, intelligence can save.)
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To: DoctorZIn
Russia needs Iran for two reasons: to help counter American influence in the Caspian Basin and Central Asia, and to forestall revolt among Russia's Muslim communities.

How, exactly? Iran's regime is likely to increase the U.S. presence and encourage revolts, seems to me.
10 posted on 11/12/2005 3:56:03 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: DoctorZIn

BTTT


11 posted on 11/12/2005 3:58:10 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Tagline Repair Service. Let us fix those broken Taglines. Inquire within(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Made in USA
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12 posted on 11/12/2005 3:58:54 PM PST by Xenophon450 (In a world of spoonfed emotion, intelligence can save.)
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To: All
But guys...

They are convinced we don't have the will to take them on.

They expect Clinton style aerial bombing, leaving them bruised but not beaten and in power.

This plus a little time will ensure that they are a nuclear power and no other US president will be willing to take them on again.

This is how they think.

They watch American TV....
13 posted on 11/12/2005 3:59:09 PM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: DoctorZIn

I suppose Iran thinks that they could win a "regime change" war with the U.S. Depends on how one would define "win", however. We can and ought to f**k them up really bad.


14 posted on 11/12/2005 3:59:23 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: DoctorZIn

Wal'Mart had better stock up on white flags-the quicker we run them up our flag poles, the safer we will be.


15 posted on 11/12/2005 4:00:19 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Global worming could have saved New Orleans if enacted before the worms ate the levees.)
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To: DoctorZIn
Iran believes it can win a clash with the US

That's what this guy Believed too.


16 posted on 11/12/2005 4:00:45 PM PST by txroadkill
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To: SIDENET

Nice. Sometimes, words are just not necessary, are they?


17 posted on 11/12/2005 4:01:29 PM PST by HeadOn (Don't talk to me about global warming unless you don't own a car.)
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To: dr_who_2

Obviousely they think Jimmy Carter is still President.


18 posted on 11/12/2005 4:03:06 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Global worming could have saved New Orleans if enacted before the worms ate the levees.)
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To: DoctorZIn
Iranian Alert - November 13, 2005 - Iran believes it can win a clash with the US

Sure, the same military who faced the Iraqi military to a standoff for the better part of a decade - will sure best the US in a confrontation ... NOT!

19 posted on 11/12/2005 4:03:24 PM PST by Smedley
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To: DoctorZIn
Iran believes it can win a clash with the US

I hope we aren’t foolish enough to go into Iran before cleaning up Afghanistan and Iraq first. We are stretched a bit thin right now. If Iran started something serious, we could take them out – but not occupy the country. We’d have to just let them rot.
21 posted on 11/12/2005 4:04:06 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Made in USA

Use image shack to post your pics....

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22 posted on 11/12/2005 4:08:50 PM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: Made in USA
That's only 3.1 missiles worth.

As you shown you like warm fuzzy photos, here's another for you.


23 posted on 11/12/2005 4:11:25 PM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: DoctorZIn

Addressing a congregation at the end of Ramadan, Khamenehi said Iran rejected the two-states formula proposed by the US, and would fight for the creation of a single state encompassing Israel and the Palestinian territories. In such a state, power would be in the hands of Muslims, although some Jews would be allowed to remain, under unspecified conditions.

Khamenehi went further by suggesting that Israel's political and military leaders, especially Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, be tried on charges of crimes against humanity.



I remember reading last week that Khamenehi was going to annouce his big plan for the solution to the Israeli/Palestinian issue.

Bwhahahahahaha!!! What a total 7th century bozo. If I was Sharon, I'd fedex him a pile of pig $hit in a box with a note saying, "Here's my thoughts on your solution".


25 posted on 11/12/2005 4:14:27 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Made in USA
Here's your photo.


26 posted on 11/12/2005 4:18:09 PM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: R. Scott

For the time being we should be agressively, yet covertly supporting the dissident movement. In spite of the recent election where the candidates allowed to run were handpicked by the mullahs, this is Solidarity all over again.
The best possible outcome for this is the mullahs and their stooges meeting Ceaucescu's demise. Otherwise, still keep the powder dry, and the targeting packages on the Tridents updated (may the latter not be necessary).


28 posted on 11/12/2005 4:24:17 PM PST by Fred Hayek (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: Smedley

something tells me that Iran fell for the ol "keep buying our weapons, we got your back!" from Putin.

Saddam fell for that one too.


29 posted on 11/12/2005 4:25:38 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Made in USA
That soldier did an excellent job of bringing old Sodamn Insane "to the surface" too.....
If I were that troop I'd have that photo made into a life size poster.
30 posted on 11/12/2005 4:30:07 PM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: SIDENET

"Next February, Teheran is scheduled to host the largest gathering of radical leaders from across the Muslim world to endorse its one-state formula for ending the Israel-Palestine conflict."

You've posted the perfect keynote address for this meeting.

Ah, the perfect time to test a tactical neutron bomb.


31 posted on 11/12/2005 4:33:15 PM PST by allen08gop
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To: DoctorZIn

We may not be able to occupy Iran but I'm positive we can put a dead stop to their oil industry and major economic trade from the air. Then maybe they would be tempted to attack us in Iraq where would would wipe them out as they come accross the border. These ragheads need to learn that we have the best military on earth.


33 posted on 11/12/2005 5:12:15 PM PST by rfreedom4u (Native Texan)
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To: DoctorZIn

Bump


34 posted on 11/12/2005 5:44:22 PM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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To: F.J. Mitchell

Yeah, just like the left in this country wishes that Johnson or Nixon were still president. Alot of wierdos out there with too much respectability.


35 posted on 11/12/2005 6:01:08 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: dr_who_2

Bump.


36 posted on 11/12/2005 6:07:13 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Global worming could have saved New Orleans if enacted before the worms ate the levees.)
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To: DoctorZIn

If those ragheads think they can survive a conflict with America, or with Israel for that matter, they need to substantially reduce their LSD intake.


37 posted on 11/12/2005 7:56:10 PM PST by KarinG1 (Some of us are trying to engage in philosophical discourse. Please don't allow us to interrupt you.)
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To: DoctorZIn

Still waiting for the Iranian youth who love western culture to step up to the plate.


40 posted on 11/12/2005 8:26:00 PM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: DoctorZIn

The mullahs have been smoking something.


41 posted on 11/12/2005 9:16:46 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: DoctorZIn
"Iran believes it can win a clash with the US"

"The US lacks staying power and Bush is an aberration in contemporary American history. All that the Islamic Republic needs to do is wait until the Bush presidency is either politically destroyed by its opponents in Washington or comes to the end of its term. Then, once Bush is crippled or gone, no American leader would have the stomach for a fight with Iran."

Thank you Reid, Kennedy, Durbin, Dean, Rather, Pelosi, Sheehan, Moore, et al. Thanks to you and your cowardly followers, we'll end up with every bullying two-bit tin-pot dictator in the world gunning for us. We'll probably end up having to nuke someone before this is all over with.

42 posted on 11/12/2005 9:28:58 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Fred Hayek
The best possible outcome for this is the mullahs and their stooges meeting Ceaucescu's demise.

I’d like to see that happen – and from some of what I have read a lot of Iranians are fed up with their current regime, particularly the younger people. Young people the world over have this feeling of invulnerability and a belief they can accomplish anything. It takes time – and I hope there is that time.
43 posted on 11/13/2005 2:21:35 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Jim Robinson

"Thank you Reid, Kennedy, Durbin, Dean, Rather, Pelosi, Sheehan, Moore, et al."

And let's thank the msm for their part, too.


44 posted on 11/13/2005 6:00:46 AM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: Made in USA
Correction: from one Trident MISSILE (10 half megaton warheads on 1 missile / 24 missiles per Ohio class sub)
45 posted on 11/13/2005 2:50:57 PM PST by Edgerunner (Proud to be an infidel)
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To: DoctorZIn
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46 posted on 11/13/2005 3:38:06 PM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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