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Iranian Alert - November 14 - Islamic Scholar: Iran needs Secularism - Islam & Democracy don't mix.
Regime Change Iran ^ | 11/14/05 | freedom44

Posted on 11/13/2005 1:53:25 PM PST by freedom44


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Dr. Abdulkarim Soroush, a prominent Iranian-Islamic scholar confessed in a speech in Paris that Islam has no political and civil rights for the people. What you find in the Islamic jurisprudence is only obligations, not rights. Therefore, it is useless to look for democracy in Islam.

These remarks are new attestation to the long time proven principle that religion must be separated from politics. This is especially true in the case of Islam. Secularism is the medicine acutely needed in all the Islamic societies, especially in Iran.

The experience of Islamic revolution in Iran proved once again that mixture of politics and Islam, in the world, which is divided into nation-states and the governments, which are designed to follow the national interests, does not work. For a long time in Iran (hundreds of years), religious people had claimed that all problems in the society came from non-observance of Islamic rules and if religious Islamic leaders become political masters in the society, everything would be in order and justice would prevail all over the state.

More than two decades of Islamic government in Iran has showed clearly that the idea was not working. There is no doubt that the people of Iran are less religious and more underdeveloped now, compared to twenty-six years ago. Many people in all Islamic societies are trying to separate their religion from politics. What is happening in Iran at the present juncture is a clear struggle by the people of Iran to get religion separated from politics. There is no other way. Anyone, including all Muslims and any government, especially the U.S., that wish a better life for the people of Islamic countries and similar states, and also seek international peace and development should help the cause of separating religion from politics.

The combination of nationalistic ideas and religion does not work. Those who are pretending otherwise are liars. The religions, especially Islam, are not able to support democracy. The religions by nature are tyrannical. The expansionist religions, like Islam, follow a kind of universalism that gives the monopoly of power to the religious despots and their interpretation of the religion.

"The leaders of the Islamic world should have the courage to declare: Islam and Western democracy are not compatible. Islam has nothing in common with the Universal Declaration of the Human Rights. Islam has nothing in common with the Western liberalism and this kind of freedom. Islam opposes these ideas�According to Nietzsche, the founding of a civil society leads to the death of God�the Koran has said: go to war�if it is possible to do something that the disbelievers feel fearful, then this kind of terrorism is holy terrorism�. Look at my hands. These are the hands that have created Hizbullah, Hamas and Islamic Jihad... You have 6000 nuclear warheads� those are our target. The guerrillas will destroy them... We are working on recruiting the Mexicans and Argentineans for our cause... We will mobilize everyone who has a complaint against the America�we have identified all of their weak points... and we will give those information to the combatant groups of the world."

The Muslim people are sick and tried of religious extremism. The religion is a personal thing and it should be confined to the private life of the people. Whoever tries to impose religious things on the people should be stopped in proper ways. Imposing ideas is against the freedom of expression and violation of the people's rights. Unfortunately, the Government of Iran that does not represent the people of Iran, has taken policies that is against the Iranian ideas and interests. The Government of Iran, which has taken the power through a creeping coup and it is called "the Second invasion of Iran by the Arabs", has been killing itself during the last 26 years to make the people more Islamic but the product of all those efforts are in vain. The people of Iran at the moment are less Islamic than the time of the previous regime. The regime has taken so many steps visibly and invisibly to impose, attract, lure, deviate, make interested or push the people toward Islam and it has failed.

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1 posted on 11/13/2005 1:53:29 PM PST by freedom44
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To: freedom44

Score another one for the founders of this country! They are proved right almost daily. The Constitution is under constant attack because it thwarts despoitic power seekers.


2 posted on 11/13/2005 2:15:33 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife; fat city; freedom44; Tamsey; Grampa Dave; PhiKapMom; McGavin999; Hinoki Cypress; ...
Join Us At Today's Iranian Alert Thread – The Most Underreported Story Of The Year!

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3 posted on 11/13/2005 3:39:11 PM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: freedom44
The Muslim people are sick and tried of religious extremism. The religion is a personal thing and it should be confined to the private life of the people. Whoever tries to impose religious things on the people should be stopped in proper ways. Imposing ideas is against the freedom of expression and violation of the people's rights.


Which is why the present constitution, paid for with such an exorbitant price in American billions and American BLOOD, and most importantly in time, is such a slap in the face to democracy.

Its Koranic veto clauses of:
ISLAM IS THE OFFICIAL RELIGION
and
NO LAW SHALL CONTRADICT ISLAM
as well as mandating that the Iraqi Supreme Court have on it
EXPERTS IN ISLAM

assure that Sharia Law will prevail.

Say goodbye to the slightest thought that:

"The religion is a personal thing and it should be confined to the private life of the people"

Unless of course the Kurds cut themselves lose from this Islamic anchor around the neck of their fledging Republic.
4 posted on 11/13/2005 7:13:25 PM PST by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: DoctorZIn

Thanks for the ping.


5 posted on 11/14/2005 6:23:16 AM PST by GOPJ (Frenchmen should ask immigrants "Do you want to be Frenchmen?" not, "Will you work cheap?")
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To: freedom44
To read today’s thread click here.

Join Us At Today's Iranian Alert Thread – The Most Underreported Story Of The Year!

"If you want on or off this Iran ping list, Freepmail DoctorZin”

6 posted on 11/14/2005 11:49:07 PM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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