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Pirro Has yet to take off GOPer Lagging in the Polls with Clinton
Roll Call ^ | 11.15.2005 | Kurtz

Posted on 11/15/2005 11:39:20 AM PST by blaylock

Pirro Has Yet to Take Off GOPer Lagging in Polls With Clinton

By Josh Kurtz Roll Call Staff

November 15, 2005

Jeanine Pirro, the choice of Republican leaders to take on Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) next year, is struggling to establish herself as a formidable contender, political observers in Albany and Washington, D.C., believe.

Pirro, the Westchester County district attorney who was recruited into the race when better-known candidates declined to run, is in the midst of a surprisingly tough battle with former Yonkers Mayor John Spencer to secure the Republican nomination, though she is still the favorite.

"If it somehow gets spirited, she has a lot of problems," said one Republican consultant.

But even if Pirro wins the GOP nod, she is almost certain to have to contend with a more conservative third-party opponent - probably Spencer - on the general election ballot, all but crippling her already long-shot chances of upsetting the formidable Clinton.

Pirro's difficulties come as the New York Republican Party is undergoing a potentially devastating period of uncertainty with the impending departure of three-term Gov. George Pataki (R). A multilevel fight for control and direction of the GOP is already under way, at a time when the party has suffered significant defeats in recent state and local elections, with more forecast on the horizon.

"There's open warfare behind the scenes," said one Albany Republican insider who did not want to be named.

Very few Republicans think they have a chance of defeating Clinton, but in Pirro - a brassy, media-savvy crime-fighter with moderate views on social issues - they thought they at least had a star who could slow the Senator's inexorable march to a presidential run in 2008.

A new poll released Monday found Clinton leading Pirro 59 percent to 31 percent in a hypothetical matchup. The incumbent held a 59 percent to 27 percent lead over Spencer.

"The race for United States Senate is Hillary Clinton's to lose," said Joe Caruso, director of polling for the Siena Research Institute at Siena College in Loudonville, N.Y.

Beyond the head-to-head, the poll had more sobering news for the GOP. While Pirro, not surprisingly, was known to only 48 percent of the 622 registered voters who were queried Nov. 9-11, her favorable to unfavorable ratings with the poll respondents were only 26 percent to 22 percent.

Pirro has been surprisingly shaky from the moment she got into the campaign. Her fundraising has been unimpressive - especially considering the degree of antipathy toward the Clintons across the country. Pirro raised just $439,000 from July 1 to Sept. 30, compared to Clinton's $5.2 million. Pirro has also appeared tentative on issues, according to political professionals, and she has thus far been unsuccessful in wooing the state's small but influential Conservative Party.

But Pirro's camp dismisses the polls and argues that she is just beginning to hit her stride. Andrea Tantaros, a spokeswoman for Pirro, said the Republican's fundraising numbers last quarter only reflected four weeks of active campaigning and will improve dramatically in the next report at year's end.

"I think you'll definitely see that she's putting in a strong effort and that we'll have the resources in place to run a credible campaign," Tantaros said.

Beyond fundraising, Pirro's most immediate challenge appears to be denying the Conservative Party nomination to Spencer.

Although the party is not expected to make its formal endorsement until late next spring, Spencer, who has emphasized his fiscal and social conservatism as well as his opposition to illegal immigration, already has the backing of two dozen prominent Conservative county chairmen and other leaders.

"If the convention were held now, he would probably win it," said Shaun Marie Levine, the Conservative Party's executive director. "But things change."

An Empire State Republican consultant was even more emphatic.

"Pirro will not get the Conservative line, period."

In New York, which allows candidates to run on multiple ballot lines, no Republican has won a statewide election without also securing the nomination of the Conservative Party since then-Sen. Jacob Javits in 1974.

Tantaros said Pirro has been meeting with Conservative leaders across the state and is confident she can win their approval. She said Conservatives are impressed by her background as a prosecutor and do not seem prepared to use their opposition to abortion as a litmus test for the nomination. Pirro supports abortion rights.

But Spencer has been pounding Pirro as an ideological clone of Clinton's. He calls himself "the candidate to beat Hillary, not be Hillary."

Spencer's medium-term goal is getting 25 percent of the vote at the state Republican convention next spring, so he can proceed automatically to the September Republican primary with Pirro. If Spencer falls short at the convention, he must petition his way onto the primary ballot, a costly and time-consuming effort that could still fail.

Although Spencer and his advisers did not respond to phone messages Monday, he is playing his status as an outsider fighting the party bosses and Pataki consultants to the hilt.

"The pressure and the arm-twisting out there is just incredible," he said on an Albany radio program hosted by New York Post political columnist Fred Dicker earlier this fall. "What's wrong with a primary? Primaries are healthy."

On the same show, Spencer called Republican leaders' attempts to anoint Pirro "very revolting" and reflective of "the sad state of the GOP."

Stephen Minarik III, the New York Republican chairman, could not be reached for comment Monday.

Spencer may be aided in his quest for the GOP nomination by last month's departure from the race of attorney Ed Cox, son-in-law of the late President Richard Nixon. Cox dropped out after Pataki formally endorsed Pirro.

Cox had run a campaign that was a curious combination of insurgent and Cadillac. He spent $1 million of his own money in a short period of time, hired several well-connected and high-powered state and national consultants, and his exploratory committee included such names as Henry Kissinger and Theodore Roosevelt IV.

Cox attracted the support of a handful of state legislators and close to 10 county GOP leaders, all of whom bucked Pataki and the state party and may be willing to do so again.

Last week, there were rumors in Republican circles that Cox was looking for a way to get back into the Senate race, but one of his Albany-based consultants, Lynn Mueller, denied it Monday.

"There are people who have suggested that he ought to get in," Mueller said. "There are people who have suggested that they might try to draft him. So far that hasn't happened, and I don't have any expectation that it will."

Still, even the suggestion that Cox was thinking about returning could be interpreted as a sign of Pirro's weakness - and Spencer's potential to make a mess of things for her.

Whether Spencer succeeds in snaring the Republican nomination, his calls for a more conservative GOP will be echoed in the primary for governor next year. Many party leaders are lining up behind the candidacy of former Massachusetts Gov. William Weld (R), a social liberal who now lives in New York.

But others are quietly supporting billionaire businessman Thomas Golisano, who ran for governor three times as the leader and sugar daddy of the Independence Party, which was originally affiliated with Ross Perot. Two conservative state legislators and former Secretary of State Randy Daniels (R), a black ex-Democrat, are also preparing to make the governor's race.

One party insider in Washington, D.C., with ties to New York, fears that the Republican base could be turned off if Pirro is the Senate nominee and the GOP also picks a moderate to run for governor.

"If it's Pirro, then what's the other menu item?" the insider wondered.


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2006; clinton; facelift; gopprimary; gospencer; notsharpestknife; pirro; rino; spencer
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Pirro is done. Stick a fork in her. Next.........
1 posted on 11/15/2005 11:39:23 AM PST by blaylock
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To: blaylock; Mia T

Attorney General Facelift is toast!


2 posted on 11/15/2005 11:40:31 AM PST by Clemenza (We are a REPUBLIC NOT A DEMOCRACY!)
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To: jmaroneps37; areafiftyone

Ping!


3 posted on 11/15/2005 11:41:26 AM PST by Clemenza (We are a REPUBLIC NOT A DEMOCRACY!)
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To: blaylock
John Spencer is an idiot.

He is the Joe Biden of NY politics.

4 posted on 11/15/2005 11:43:48 AM PST by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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To: blaylock

Pirro WHO???

In NY you need a NAME!~}


5 posted on 11/15/2005 11:46:17 AM PST by funkywbr
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To: Clemenza
Why would anyone think that someone could beat Hillary Clinton in New York? George Washington couldn't defeat Hillary in New York. Of course, most people who now live in New York have no idea who George Washington is.
6 posted on 11/15/2005 11:50:44 AM PST by asp1
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To: asp1

Didn't he invent the peanut?


7 posted on 11/15/2005 11:54:29 AM PST by NYFriend
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To: new yorker 77

If Jon Spencer is an idiot, Jeanine Pirro must be clinically retarded. She would only rate on the intelligence scale if brains were botox.


8 posted on 11/15/2005 11:56:41 AM PST by Clemenza (We are a REPUBLIC NOT A DEMOCRACY!)
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To: blaylock
Spencer for Senate

Anyone but Weld for Governor

9 posted on 11/15/2005 12:02:52 PM PST by JohnnyZ (Veterans' Day. Enough said.)
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To: NYFriend

No, that was Jimmy Washington. Don't feel bad everyone makes that mistake. :0)


10 posted on 11/15/2005 12:03:31 PM PST by asp1
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To: asp1
Maybe Alan Keyes could rent an efficiency in NYC and run.
11 posted on 11/15/2005 12:33:34 PM PST by Patrick1
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To: new yorker 77
Pirro can hurt Hillary, it would be a shame to see my good Senator get a free ride. The politics of this hopelessly Red State are such that the DA with 'tude has the best chance to bloody her in a race. That, in turn, impacts what Hillary does in 08. Lets not be too quick to walk away from Jeanine, we might regret it.
12 posted on 11/15/2005 12:40:24 PM PST by JGWabc
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To: Patrick1
Ok. This race cries out for a gorilla campaign. If I were the GOP chairman in New York I would go to the Conservative Party boss, the Independent Party boss, and whoever else is tired having a do nothing Marxist as their Senator boss and say, "Listen guys lets go find a down to earth firefighter who lost friends and loved ones on 9/11 or lets get U.S. Marine who has killed x-number of Islamo Fascist and put all the money etc behind this person and gives this left wing do nothing a run for her Chi-Com money.

It will never happen of course not with rent a candidates like Pirro and Keyes running around. Oh well.
13 posted on 11/15/2005 12:46:17 PM PST by Patrick1
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To: Patrick1
Nope, that won't do it. He will forever be associated with Illinois and New Yorkers would never vote for an outsider....ahhhh. Hmmmm?
14 posted on 11/15/2005 12:51:13 PM PST by asp1
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To: blaylock
Before anything else is brought up she still has to explain how she and her husband signed the same fraudulent federal income tax returns, but only he went to prison. Why Jeannine?

"If it somehow gets spirited, she has a lot of problems," said one Republican consultant."
If it somehow gets "spirited" it will turn to talk of:
1) Abortion. Jeannine is NARAL's gal. They give her a 100% rating. Spencer is 100% Pro life.
2) Gay "marriage". She is for it. Spencer is against.
3) Affirmative Action. She it pro.
4) Confiscating guns from law abiding American citizens.Spencer is a member of the NRA.
5) "What do you think of the Alito nomination, Jeannine?"
Her answer is " I want to see what he says about abortion"
What else can that mean but " If I was in the Senate I'd vote the same way as schumer and kennedy. Spencer would be a vote for Alito in the Senate.
John Spencer will crush her in a primary. Governor Pataki, you remember what a primary is, don't you?
15 posted on 11/15/2005 2:17:43 PM PST by jmaroneps37 (Everything points to it so why not call them the Whigs?)
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To: All
Found this photo on another thread here at FR... it pretty well sums up the 2008 democRATic presidential primary.


16 posted on 11/15/2005 3:12:35 PM PST by ajolympian2004
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To: ajolympian2004

That's a sickening image.


17 posted on 11/15/2005 3:45:30 PM PST by ALWAYSWELDING
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To: Clemenza

Indeed. You know so much about her you don't even know what office she holds.


18 posted on 11/15/2005 3:46:14 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: jmaroneps37

One the issues, Spencer sounds like an ideal candidate for the South. But he's running in New York - not even a majority of the Republicans are pro-life there, and certainly not the voters at large.


19 posted on 11/15/2005 3:47:26 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat

District Attorney of Leftchester County. A total moron who is going nowhere, except maybe providing inane comments to Fox News.


20 posted on 11/15/2005 3:51:43 PM PST by Clemenza (We are a REPUBLIC NOT A DEMOCRACY!)
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