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What Woodward Knew
US News ^ | Nov 17, 2005 | Michael Barone

Posted on 11/17/2005 6:12:45 PM PST by YaYa123

What to think of the quite astonishing revelation that Bob Woodward was told by administration sources—not Scooter Libby or Karl Rove, it seems clear—that Joseph Wilson's wife worked at the CIA, and told a month before what Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald said was the first revelation by an administration source, Libby, to a member of the press?

Here's the story from yesterday's Post on Woodward's testimony, and here's Woodward's statement, printed next to the story on the jump page. Here's the story by the Post's excellent media reporter Howard Kurtz on Woodward's apology to Post Executive Editor Leonard Downie for not telling him about this some time ago.

(Excerpt) Read more at usnews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: barone; bobwoodward; cia; cialeak; colinpowell; fitzgerald; kayak; leonarddownie; libby; plame; plamegame; valerieplame; waitanother32years; woodward
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Everybody LOVES Michael Barone!

He makes the whole mess comprehensible!

1 posted on 11/17/2005 6:12:46 PM PST by YaYa123
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To: YaYa123

Yes, an excellent read. I especially like that last paragraph. I'm not sure if I can quote it here without exceeding the permissible limit.


3 posted on 11/17/2005 6:19:31 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

The last sentence was a hoot - "CIA should be abolished"


4 posted on 11/17/2005 6:20:52 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Herodian

Could the MSM be getting that one wrong? They're all assuming it's the Bushies.


5 posted on 11/17/2005 6:21:58 PM PST by rightinthemiddle (#1 Rule in Dealing with the Media, Democrats and Terrorists: Can't Please 'Em, so Don't Appease 'Em.)
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To: Herodian
Please note this does not necessarily mean 'Bush administration sources'. It may mean Clinton administration sources as well.

The MSM would never let you get away with such a hypothesis!! Everyone knows it means the evil Bush & Cheney Admin

6 posted on 11/17/2005 6:23:01 PM PST by p23185 (Why isn't attempting to take down a sitting Pres & his Admin considered Sedition?)
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To: YaYa123

Thanks, this is the best writing yet on this subject.


7 posted on 11/17/2005 6:23:16 PM PST by ConservativeGreek
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To: YaYa123

This whole thing is quite silly. CIA info is not secret to the White House. If you send your husband on a mission and he comes back LYING that Dick Cheney sent him, obviously people are going to mention what really happened. Seems to me she is a villain at a tile of war for not stepping forward to set the record straight. And she is such a creep that she still hasn't done so.


8 posted on 11/17/2005 6:26:47 PM PST by Williams
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To: Cboldt

No kidding. I am thinking it is correct. The CIA should be disbanded, and another agency (or few) take over its duties.


9 posted on 11/17/2005 6:29:07 PM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: YaYa123
The CIA had intelligence screwed up royally before 9/11. It has been trying to cover up matters ever since. The libs who castrated the CIA during the Clinton years, during the administration that opposed a funtional CIA, who now occupy the seats at Foggy Bottom and elsewhere only to get a paycheck and who still oppose a useful espionage agency, are plotting the discrediting of GWB and this administration. They do so to protect their own joke jobs as evidenced by Valerie Plame recommending her liar husband for a job for which he was not competent.

The CIA has become anti-American. Is that possible?

10 posted on 11/17/2005 6:30:15 PM PST by TheGeezer
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To: YaYa123
"..It appears that Woodward's source outed Woodward to Fitzgerald, and Woodward gave sworn testimony to Fitzgerald this past Monday..."

If that is true Woodward's source can't be Chaney.

11 posted on 11/17/2005 6:32:09 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: YaYa123

Wow! The article speculates that the source was Colin Powell! Now I'm sure Fitzgerald is dying to indict Powell. Not. And I'm sure people can easily say Powell was part of a smear campaign. Not.


12 posted on 11/17/2005 6:32:16 PM PST by Williams
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To: Cicero

I'm starting to see a split forming in the media - one camp that will rally around Woodward and his status as the man who brought down Nixon (this group will twist itself into impossible mental knots trying to reconcile Woodward's and Wilson's stories), and another camp that will believe that Woodward "sold out" to the Bush Administration and will try to "convince" him that it's time to retire ala Judith Miller.

Hard to say which side will win, but I would give the edge to the ones who want to drum Woodward out of the corps and go down with joe Wilson's sinking ship. However, Bob Woodward is no Judith Miller, and he surely won't go that easily.


13 posted on 11/17/2005 6:36:42 PM PST by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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This is so exciting. The saga of Bob Woodward: From Watergate to Woodygate.

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14 posted on 11/17/2005 6:42:55 PM PST by Jackie
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Bob Woodward let Bubber skate. I hope Woody gets clobbered over this!

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15 posted on 11/17/2005 6:45:17 PM PST by Jackie
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To: CFC__VRWC

Also at stake is the decades old war between the Washington Post and the New York Times to determine which of them is the newspaper of record.

Most liberals would say the Times, but it was the Post that broke the Watergate story, and they've been living in that reflected glory ever since.

Pinch Sulzberger has been driving the Times into the gutter. He is the guy who befriended Judith Miller when she was first hired and evidently has now authorized firing her, if not demanding it. The folks at the Post must see a golden opportunity to finally go past their rival.


16 posted on 11/17/2005 6:45:39 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: YaYa123

"Defenders of Fitzgerald's indictment can argue that its charges that Libby lied still stand. But the differing recollections of Woodward and Pincus could strengthen a defense based on faulty memory, and Woodward's disclosure refutes the timeline that Fitzgerald presented at his press conference."

Well...it looks like Fitzgerald has some splanin to do.


17 posted on 11/17/2005 6:53:30 PM PST by Balata
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To: Jackie

Laura Ingraham's imitation of Woodward is hilarious.


18 posted on 11/17/2005 6:56:33 PM PST by Past Your Eyes (Hey, getta your tootsi frootsi ice-a cream.)
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To: YaYa123

So, why doe the LMSM just ask Mr. Powell a simple question, was it you who was Woodhead's source???????


19 posted on 11/17/2005 6:57:13 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: YaYa123

It is comforting to know that he shares the same analysis of the situation that I do. I admire that man's mind.


20 posted on 11/17/2005 6:57:22 PM PST by McGavin999 (Reporters write the Truth, Journalists write "Stories")
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To: TheGeezer

The CIA had no idea the Berlin wall waould come down or the SU would collapse.


21 posted on 11/17/2005 6:59:06 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: YaYa123
Mebbe Woodward can play Robert Redford again in the movie version of this soap opera! Who'd play Dustin, though?


22 posted on 11/17/2005 6:59:38 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: YaYa123

Whoooaoaooaooaooo.....

Barone is absolutely on fire! News analysis at its very best!


23 posted on 11/17/2005 7:02:27 PM PST by Prost1 (If you fight, fight hard, fight dirty, fight to win!)
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To: TheGeezer
The CIA has become anti-American. Is that possible?

I think that some within the organization have, and I think it's very important that those who haven't get sniffed out as soon as possible before the American people lose faith in it altogether.

There are heroic things being done by members of the CIA and they are being tainted by these creeps who cloak themselves in secrecy and slyly whisper state secrets to the press. It's time for the CIA to cull the herd.

24 posted on 11/17/2005 7:03:14 PM PST by McGavin999 (Reporters write the Truth, Journalists write "Stories")
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To: YaYa123

His analysis is the most clear-cut, easy to understand explanation...withOUT political hatred and hyperbole...than any other writer...


25 posted on 11/17/2005 7:04:43 PM PST by t2buckeye
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To: Herodian
It may mean Clinton administration sources as well.

Wouldn't that be a hoot? Probably too good to be true though.....

26 posted on 11/17/2005 7:05:17 PM PST by b4its2late (GITMO is way too nice of a place to house low life terrorists.)
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To: Cicero
Pinch Sulzberger has been driving the Times into the gutter. He is the guy who befriended Judith Miller when she was first hired and evidently has now authorized firing her, if not demanding it. The folks at the Post must see a golden opportunity to finally go past their rival.

Assuming the Post can get past it's own credibility problems, which have suddenly seemed to multiply in the past few weeks. This business of Woodward declining to offer exculpatory (for Libby) evidence in Fitzgerald's investigation because he couldn't be bothered with subpoenas is one of the most self-serving and cowardly things I've heard in a long time. As far as Pincus goes, it's clear that he's just Joe Wilson's stenographer, and now he's facing a possible contempt citation just like Miller did. And this whole business with Matthew Mosk and MD4Bush, plus the mounting revelations that the entire paper is just another part of the Maryland democrat party dirty tricks unit (a dirty tricks unit that is neck deep in the vilest racial slur campaign I have ever seen against Lt. Gov. Steele) is really going to make them look bad.

So while there's no doubt Pinch is driving the NYT into the ground, I wonder if the Post isn't coming in right behind it.

27 posted on 11/17/2005 7:05:45 PM PST by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: TheGeezer

Definitely Clinton factions within the CIA working long and hard to sabotage George Bush. Can there be any doubt the whole purpose of the Niger trip was to do just that? Bet your butt Valerie was a player, with hubby in on the action.

Shame on Porter Goss if he can't clean house.


28 posted on 11/17/2005 7:05:47 PM PST by YaYa123
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To: TheGeezer
The CIA has become anti-American. Is that possible?

Load the CIA up with Clinton leftists for eight years and it will take twenty to undo it.

Question, did Clinton appoint any ACLU lawyers to the CIA during his tenure? I rest my case.......

29 posted on 11/17/2005 7:07:20 PM PST by eeriegeno
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To: eeriegeno
I'm asking myself, if Bush staffers all immediately released reporters from their confidentiality agreements (even if the reporters refused to accept the release), and Woodward's source is refusing to release Woodward from his confidentiality agreement, then who would be most likely to not behave like the other Bush staffers?

-PJ

30 posted on 11/17/2005 7:18:52 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: McGavin999

There are heroic things being done by members of the CIA ...lest we forget, one of our first casualties in Afghanistan was Mike Spann. He and his wife both CIA & heroes to me.


31 posted on 11/17/2005 7:21:34 PM PST by chgomac
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To: YaYa123

Woodward knew Libby was innocent and said nothing...


32 posted on 11/17/2005 7:22:20 PM PST by citizencon
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To: McGavin999

IIRC the CIA did a great job in Afghanistan or at least got the job done and made good with the PR. Riding a camel is somewhat diferent from riding a desk though.


33 posted on 11/17/2005 7:22:53 PM PST by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis

Has Powell been interviewed by Fitzgerald? That is a question that needs to be asked.


34 posted on 11/17/2005 7:29:40 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: YaYa123
I [Barone] recall that some years ago Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan argued that the CIA should be abolished, and I argued that that was a ridiculous and irresponsible position. As usual when Pat and I disagreed, Pat turned out to be right.

Indeed. An old-fashioned Soviet-style purge is in order.

35 posted on 11/17/2005 7:31:07 PM PST by Prince Charles
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To: YaYa123

I say Tenet.


36 posted on 11/17/2005 7:39:54 PM PST by cgk (Cheney: Senators Reid, Kerry & Rockefeller were unable to attend due to a prior lack of commitment.)
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To: YaYa123
Assuming this is true (CIA works to punish Bush and help the Terrorist) then those in the CIA that did this must be brought to justice and put in jail.

How many think this will happen?

Like it was said in the story the MSM is out to get our President and to help the terrorist and it would seem that certain GS employees at the CIA are doing the same thing.

Will this be investigated? Answer NO the Senate is full of cowards and their white flags are waiving.
37 posted on 11/17/2005 7:40:18 PM PST by YOUGOTIT
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To: CFC__VRWC

True. Race to the bottom.


38 posted on 11/17/2005 7:43:58 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: YaYa123
Everybody LOVES Michael Barone! He makes the whole mess comprehensible!

I especially appreciate Michael Barone's closing paragraph:

I recall that some years ago Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan argued that the CIA should be abolished, and I argued that that was a ridiculous and irresponsible position. As usual when Pat and I disagreed, Pat turned out to be right.

I'm coming to the same conclusion myself. We have many intelligence agencies. A CIA that is a rogue agency which holds itself above ANY President of the United States is a danger to the Republic.

39 posted on 11/17/2005 7:45:43 PM PST by Wolfstar (The stakes in the global war on terror are too high for politicians to throw out false charges.)
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To: Prince Charles

a purge of the whole country. 30 million less leftists and i'd sleep like a baby.


40 posted on 11/17/2005 7:45:52 PM PST by wildcatf4f3 (admittedly too unstable for public office)
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To: YaYa123

Thanks, YaYa123. Remarkable story.


41 posted on 11/17/2005 7:50:28 PM PST by solzhenitsyn ("Live Not By Lies")
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To: Herodian

Heck, Wilson was an administration source.


42 posted on 11/17/2005 7:55:04 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: YaYa123
I recall that some years ago Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan argued that the CIA should be abolished, and I argued that that was a ridiculous and irresponsible position. As usual when Pat and I disagreed, Pat turned out to be right.

And I suspect that Moynihan would say he's changed his mind today.

43 posted on 11/17/2005 7:57:15 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: wildcatf4f3

I'd take 30 million Mexican workers in exchange for the leftists, if that's the only way it could happen.


44 posted on 11/17/2005 7:58:43 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: YaYa123

Wow. This story kind of pulls the rug out from under the Fitzmas crowd.


45 posted on 11/17/2005 8:01:36 PM PST by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds, a pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: t2buckeye

From Fitzie's press conference:

"In fact, Mr. Libby was the first official known to have told a reporter when he talked to Judith Miller in June of 2003 about Valerie Wilson."

The "first official known" by investigators who don't do their job very well.


46 posted on 11/17/2005 8:14:20 PM PST by Rumierules
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To: YaYa123
Here's my theory.
Fitzgerald had all the logs of reporters who came to the white house for interviews with all the key players in this drama.
Well Woodward's name was obviously not on the logs because Fritzgerald didn't question him. So that means he wasn't at the White House on those days.
He was at the State Dept.!!
47 posted on 11/17/2005 8:16:14 PM PST by JRochelle (Brit to Juan, "Somebody needs to hose you down!")
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To: JRochelle

Another quote from Fitzie's press conference:

"But also the reporter is the eyewitness, and what I think people don't appreciate is we interviewed lots of people, very high officials, before we ever went to the reporters."

Why does Fitzgerald give so much deference to reporters?


48 posted on 11/17/2005 8:26:04 PM PST by Rumierules
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To: YaYa123

The source has gotta be Tenet or Richard Clarke.


49 posted on 11/17/2005 8:29:09 PM PST by kaehurowing
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To: JRochelle
Well Woodward's name was obviously not on the logs because Fritzgerald didn't question him. So that means he wasn't at the White House on those days. He was at the State Dept.!!

Excellent catch!

50 posted on 11/17/2005 8:31:03 PM PST by Sal (Rocky tipped off the enemy in time for them to move the WMDs. He endangered our troops.)
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