Seeing Mountains in Starry Clouds of Creation

NY Times ^ | November 15, 2005 | DENNIS OVERBYE

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Suit yourself. I am sure that your feeling of superiority builds up your ego and others may just be thriving on your creative abilities."

And I am sure your feeling of inferiority and creative impotence is well founded.

[taxesareforever]

And I am sure your feeling of inferiority and creative impotence is well founded.

You can be absolutely sure of that. It is founded on the Book of the Creator, The Holy Bible. Now I ask you, where is your feeling of superiority and creative genius founded?

[CarolinaGuitarman]

And I am sure your feeling of inferiority and creative impotence is well founded.

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"You can be absolutely sure of that."

Well, admitting you have a problem is half the journey.


"Now I ask you, where is your feeling of superiority and creative genius founded?"


I never claimed genius. I do know I have created. That is what people are supposed to do; that is what we are made to do. I am sorry you aren't able to.

[RunningWolf]

Hey Guitarman,

I want to know what you have created, and you want to know what the tenets of darwinist evolutionism are. Lets go!

Wolf

[CarolinaGuitarman]

I have created songs and music that never existed before. Now tell us what the *tenets of darwinism* are.

[muir_redwoods]

"Not getting it I see. The problem mankind has is that most of us cannot fathom "creation". It is impossible for those that reject God to see that he is the Creator and then further fathom that he has always been and was himself never created. The old argument of, you can't have something from nothing is very true except for when God decides he will create. However, the question posed by the anti-God crowd is, "Who created God"? This question alone shows mankind's arrogance in assuming that God had to be created. God, the true God of the bible, was never created. As he said, I am who I am. For those of us who do get it and can see, don't take pride in your vision. Remember, once you were blind but now you see. That is a gift of God and not the work of any man so that none may boast!"

Have you ever seen a better (or perhaps egregious is a better word) example of circular reasoning?

[Right in Wisconsin]

because his creation is curious, so they can ponder, and it certainly makes one do that -

[RunningWolf]

I have created songs and music that never existed before. Now tell us what the *tenets of darwinism* are.

That is an interesting use of the word 'create', when most would say that they wrote and performed songs and music.

I am not sure how much of an actual dialog can be had, when as part of debate tactics of 'your side', there is a intense penchant to distort, issue demands, and then insist that the demands have not been met. Now I would like to have dialog, and thats what I originally came for.

The term (tenets of darwinist evolutionism) was a term I have come up with after some study, (being new to this) I found however that there are sources on this subject.

I used the the term 'tenets of darwinistic evolutionism' (not tenets of darwinism) to describe how the ChiComs have adopted some of the ideas & philosophy of darwinist evolutionism and theory of evolution as a component of their agenda to eradicate religion and ensure the victory of marxist atheism.

Do you deny the ChiComs have done this?

My base position is that I do not have to have a competing explanation to say that cosmo & evo are weak on their own, and fail with a close look.
Also that does not mean I devalue or reject science, or demean its contributions. It is when the 'scientists' insist a vision of reality that is far beyond what they legitimately can, it always comes back to man.

Wolf

[taxesareforever]

I never claimed genius. I do know I have created.

Since you didn't address your superiority I gather that since you create you consider yourself superior. I believe to subscribe to this belief makes the word "create" a secular function which removes God from the equation. Certainly this is the intent of evolutionists and atheists in order to not connect the term "creation" with Genesis or God. Thereby they can continue on their trek of superior intelligence.

[GOPPachyderm]

Why would any deity create something so useless? For his own purposes and enjoyment, because it is part of his nature as a creator and for eventual discovery such as this.

[Tench_Coxe]

Remarkable. Too bad I can't walk out and see a view like that in the evening.

[Just Lori]

I don't know why astronomy pictures bring out the creator myth almost every time.

It may be a myth to you, but it's reality to me. The grandeur of His creation is beyond our ability to comprehend. It is not the wise man who closes his mind to possibilities greater than his understanding. Belief in possibilities leads to exploration. Exploration leads to greater knowlege and the understanding that even bigger possibilities are out there.

[Jaysun]

What if the Big Bang is an illusion and the universe is infinitely old. That would cast us adrift with no anchors at all. What if the Hubble volume is such a small portion of the universe that we can't even begin to imagine the fulluniverse, or what if the universe really goes on forever in the spatial dimension so we aren't anchored that way either. Got anxiety yet? Want the old Big Bang beginning and finite universe back?

None of these things upset me. My main worry is that the Hubble is perfectly focused, and that things really are blurry and fuzzy out there. That would be too absurd for me to manage. And I'd be stuck trying to decide whether I should kill myself or kill everyone else.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Since you didn't address your superiority I gather that since you create you consider yourself superior."

It doesn't take much to be superior to you.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

" That is an interesting use of the word 'create', when most would say that they wrote and performed songs and music."

Writing is a creative process. Well, maybe not for you, but for most people.

"I am not sure how much of an actual dialog can be had, when as part of debate tactics of 'your side', there is a intense penchant to distort, issue demands, and then insist that the demands have not been met. Now I would like to have dialog, and thats what I originally came for."

You have never wanted a dialog here; we have tried but you insist on calling us members of cult. You refuse to address the theory itself, as if that would be somehow beneath you. You repeat the same blather over and over and have the nerve to tell us we are not making our side look good. Don't pretend you have the high ground, you gave that up long ago.

"It is when the 'scientists' insist a vision of reality that is far beyond what they legitimately can, it always comes back to man."

But you refuse to address the science, so you don't get to say what science can legitimately claim. Well, you can, but not in a way that anybody cares about. Nobody on our side takes you seriously because you dance around the issue.

[DoctorMichael]

Beautiful!

[crghill]

Well then, create for me a Utopian universe where I don't have to work and will be infinetly happy. Oh wait, that's heaven. Never mind, that's already been done. You'll have to think of something original!

[RightWhale]

The grandeur of His creation is beyond our ability to comprehend

We create the grandeur. We create the meaning and the purpose. Would He create a creature for the purpose of worship of His eminence or His eminent creation that couldn't comprehend what they were looking at? What would be the point? Might as well create insects that erect worshipful monuments all the livelong day. What part of created in his image is the sticking point?

[RightWhale]

create for me a Utopian universe where I don't have to work and will be infinetly happy

What is happiness? It is not necessary to answer if it will require some work to do so.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Well then, create for me a Utopian universe where I don't have to work and will be infinetly happy. Oh wait, that's heaven. Never mind, that's already been done. You'll have to think of something original!"

That's why I confined my creations to songs.