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Seeing Mountains in Starry Clouds of Creation
NY Times ^ | November 15, 2005 | DENNIS OVERBYE

Posted on 11/18/2005 11:38:26 PM PST by neverdem

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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Look at your own posting then, how much science do you bring here? You don't have to answer me.

Wolf
61 posted on 11/20/2005 9:54:50 AM PST by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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To: RightWhale
What would be the point?

You're trying to fit God into a tiny little box. You want it all "explained". If something surpasses your understanding, that means it doesn't exist? If mankind had always used that logic, we'd still be in caves. Would you be willing to ponder something for a while? Not just a minute... I mean really give it some thought. What if you're wrong about the existence of God?

62 posted on 11/20/2005 9:59:25 AM PST by Just Lori (End the leftist occupation of America!)
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To: RunningWolf
"Look at your own posting then, how much science do you bring here? You don't have to answer me."

A lot more than you. You are afraid to discuss the science. I don't think you have ever attempted to critique the ToE on scientific grounds, as you don't know anything about it. I have done the best I could to discuss the science. Others have more specialized knowledge than I do here, and I do yield to them, especially in dealing with biochemistry and molecular biology. I do have training in the history of biology, and I have a pretty decent grasp of the logic of the theory. Unlike you, I come to these threads to learn as much as debate. I know I have benefited from the many links that people like Patrick Henry and Ichneumon have provided.
63 posted on 11/20/2005 10:07:49 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Spanaway Lori
LOL

We ARE still in caves, looking at shadows. 'Scuse me, somebody's at the door. Doesn't want to come in, though, wants us to come OUT.

64 posted on 11/20/2005 12:11:39 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Allan
ping:-) #64.

Beautiful caption, btw..

65 posted on 11/20/2005 12:29:05 PM PST by ARridgerunner
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

The thing is that someday you will breathe your last and then you won't be creating songs anymore. God gives you every breath you take and he gave you your creativity as well. You have done well to use it, but you have not seen where it comes from. As for me, I've looked at all the science and all I can say is that I find the biblical account of creation, much more plausible and logical than the hole filled ToE. Lastly, I've been where you are and I could not see from there the place I am at now. I have lived the lost and now found life. From here, I can see where you are, but you cannot see where I am. In order for you to see that, God would have to remove the blinders that are on your eyes in the same way he removed mine. You can't remove them and I can't remove them. Only He can remove them and that's why when He does, He gets the Glory for it. Hopefully, He will give you site. In the meantime, I would listen to Kansas so that you, "carry on my wayward son, there'll be peace when you are done. Lay your weary head to rest, don't you cry no more".


66 posted on 11/20/2005 2:23:10 PM PST by crghill
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To: RightWhale

I believe happiness is best defined as emotion felt from the existence of pleasant circumstances. Heaven will certainly be full of pleasant circumstances. Most of the world is unhappy. Most of the world doesn't live in middle class comfort. Most of the world lives in 3rd world circumstances and those people find it very difficult to be happy because they are attempting to survive.


67 posted on 11/20/2005 2:30:28 PM PST by crghill
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To: crghill
"The thing is that someday you will breathe your last and then you won't be creating songs anymore."

So I have heard.

"God gives you every breath you take and he gave you your creativity as well. You have done well to use it, but you have not seen where it comes from."

If it was a gift from God, I am still the one creating.

"As for me, I've looked at all the science and all I can say is that I find the biblical account of creation, much more plausible and logical than the hole filled ToE."

There are no holes to mention.

"From here, I can see where you are, but you cannot see where I am."

I will close my curtains then. :) Hey, was that you near that lamp pole?

"In order for you to see that, God would have to remove the blinders that are on your eyes in the same way he removed mine. You can't remove them and I can't remove them. Only He can remove them and that's why when He does, He gets the Glory for it."

In other words, I am blind to the Truth because God wants it that way? Very disturbing image of God. I'll pass, thank you very much.
68 posted on 11/20/2005 2:32:19 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: crghill

Happiness is most usefully defined as not an emotion at all. It is the possibility of choice. The more choices, and better quality of choices, the greater happiness. A person would feel something associated with happiness, but not happiness itself.


69 posted on 11/20/2005 3:14:09 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
From another response to someone else by you: Others have more specialized knowledge than I do here

I don't want to name names but......You get the point.

70 posted on 11/20/2005 4:57:38 PM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: taxesareforever

"I don't want to name names but......You get the point."

That doesn't change whether I am superior to you. :)


71 posted on 11/20/2005 4:59:40 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
That doesn't change whether I am superior to you. :)

I know that isn't true because the U.S.Constitution says we are equals.That probably doesn't make you feel to good. :)

72 posted on 11/20/2005 5:09:30 PM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: taxesareforever

"I know that isn't true because the U.S.Constitution says we are equals.That probably doesn't make you feel to good. :)"

No it doesn't. I think you are thinking of the Declaration of Independence. And we are most certainly not equal. Everybody has different abilities and strengths and weaknesses. We are equal only before the law.

Your mixing up the two documents is only proving my point, BTW :).


73 posted on 11/20/2005 5:18:10 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Perhaps the disturbance you feel is the beginning of wisdom.


74 posted on 11/20/2005 6:58:03 PM PST by crghill
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To: crghill
"Perhaps the disturbance you feel is the beginning of wisdom."

Actually, it was repugnance at the thought of a God that would purposely keep people ignorant, at the peril of their souls. And all so he can reap the Glory. That's one sick interpretation of God.
75 posted on 11/20/2005 7:18:09 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: RightWhale

Happiness is most usefully defined as not an emotion at all. It is the possibility of choice. The more choices, and better quality of choices, the greater happiness. A person would feel something associated with happiness, but not happiness itself.

Don't you really mean choice without consequences? However, if I choose to accept your definition then I really give up all hope for happiness for my friends that live in the slums surrounding Louis Trichardt, South Africa. They choose to eat each day, but are unable. Which is why I went to them so that I could share the Christian faith with them. It was awesome to see them experience Joy as they came to know God through Christ. They may never have happiness, but they definetly have joy and even hope.


76 posted on 11/20/2005 7:24:32 PM PST by crghill
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Your life will bring Glory to God, he created you for that very thing. You might ask yourself, is he purposely keeping me in the dark or am I so set against him that unless he intervenes, I have no hope.


77 posted on 11/20/2005 7:50:00 PM PST by crghill
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Amendment XIV of the Bill of Rights

Perhaps you don't consider this as equal rights. If you don't please provide an instance of someone who has a right not guaranteed to another. P.S. Using the Indians is not an acceptable example.

78 posted on 11/20/2005 8:59:59 PM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: taxesareforever

"Perhaps you don't consider this as equal rights."

Ah, now you're changing the phrase. YOU said that the Constitution says we are all equal, not that we have equal rights. It doesn't; that's the Declaration of Independence. And, as I am sure you know since you read my entire post, I already said, "We are equal only before the law."

Face it, you mixed up the two documents. YOU are not superior. :)


79 posted on 11/21/2005 4:39:30 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: crghill

"You might ask yourself, is he purposely keeping me in the dark or am I so set against him that unless he intervenes, I have no hope."

You already answered that, you said he was keeping the blinders on me, and there was nothing I could do about it. Those were your words; I was simply responding to your bizarre interpretation of theology.


80 posted on 11/21/2005 4:41:15 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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