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1,700-Year-Old 'Roman Glass' Discovered In East China
Xinhua/China.org ^ | 11-20-2005

Posted on 11/20/2005 1:31:32 PM PST by blam

1,700-year-old 'Roman Glass' Discovered in East China

Glass remains over 1,700 years old, possibly imported from ancient Rome, have been discovered in an ancient tomb located in east China's Anhui Province, local cultural relic department said on Sunday.

The tomb was found during the latest road project in Zhulong Village of Dangtu County in Anhui. Archaeologists believed the tomb was built in the Eastern Jin Dynasty (317 - 420).

Covered with white mantlerock, the glass remains seem to have ancient Roman shapes and craftwork.

According to the local cultural relic department, the owner of the tomb was possibly from an eminent family of the Eastern Jin Dynasty.

Besides the "Roman glass," other rare articles including a gold bracelet, a silver ring, a bronze bowl and porcelain were also discovered in the tomb.

Currently, pieces of the "Roman glass" have been sent to the Anhui-based University of Science and Technology of China for further study and analysis, said the local cultural relic department.

(Xinhua News Agency November 20, 2005)


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1700; archeology; china; discovered; east; glass; godsgravesglyphs; homerhdubs; liquan; old; roman; romanempire; romansinchina; uzbekistan; year

1 posted on 11/20/2005 1:31:35 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 11/20/2005 1:32:04 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
1,700-year-old 'Roman Glass' Discovered in East China

Rome imported silk from China. It would be logical to think that the trade went both ways.

3 posted on 11/20/2005 1:33:19 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Not all problems can be solved with a sledge hammer. Sometimes nitroglycerin is required. Or a Nuke)
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To: blam

There was substantial trade.


4 posted on 11/20/2005 1:34:07 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: blam

BTTT


5 posted on 11/20/2005 1:34:51 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Tagline Repair Service. Let us fix those broken Taglines. Inquire within(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Fiddlstix

The "Lost legion"?


6 posted on 11/20/2005 1:35:58 PM PST by DCBryan1
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To: blam

It's really sad to see you folks miss the implications. There was obviously a glass ceiling. Women's equality was first championed in China. Gosh, the clues were all there. Heh heh heh...


7 posted on 11/20/2005 1:46:13 PM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 403/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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To: RightWhale

"There was substantial trade."

Any estimates of when the first plate of Pasta with/without Tomato sauce was served in Italy?


8 posted on 11/20/2005 1:47:33 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: truth_seeker

The Roman legions travelled on cabbage and a pouch of grain, which they had to mill for themselves. This made them edgy and always on the lookout for better food. They still don't quite get the idea of pizza.


9 posted on 11/20/2005 1:50:49 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: RightWhale

"The Roman legions travelled on cabbage and a pouch of grain, which they had to mill for themselves. This made them edgy and always on the lookout for better food. They still don't quite get the idea of pizza."

If somebody expected me to get by on cabbage, I'd be on the lookout for better food, too.

Any food is better than cabbage.


10 posted on 11/20/2005 1:56:18 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: truth_seeker
"Any estimates of when the first plate of Pasta with/without Tomato sauce was served in Italy? "

Wasn't it in the 1200's that Marco Polo brought noodles back from China? And then, in the 1500's the tomato was obtained from the new world (Americas).

11 posted on 11/20/2005 1:58:16 PM PST by blam
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To: blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; StayAt HomeMother; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; asp1; ...
Thanks Blam.

Reprise for all -- there's a record in the surviving Han court archive which names the emperor Marcus Aurelius. See also the Tamil Trade topic, and "Romans in China".

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12 posted on 11/20/2005 2:00:10 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Wednesday, November 2, 2005.)
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To: RightWhale
They still don't quite get the idea of pizza.

They had “pizza” (borrowed from the Greeks) – flat bread smeared with olive oil. Thanks to Central Americans and a Spaniard, Italians were finally able to make something that resembled a true Pizza – brought to its true maturity in New York City.
13 posted on 11/20/2005 2:08:12 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: truth_seeker

The first pasta was probably served shortly after Marco Polo reurned with the secret of how to make spaghetti.

By the way, if you've ever seen it made by hand in the ancient manner, it's quite remarkable.


14 posted on 11/20/2005 2:08:42 PM PST by wildbill
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To: R. Scott

Then the pizza was finally perfected in Chicago!


15 posted on 11/20/2005 2:14:42 PM PST by Iwentsouth
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To: Iwentsouth

AH! The perennial battle between New York style and Chicago style pizza!


16 posted on 11/20/2005 2:29:54 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: R. Scott
AH! The perennial battle between New York style and Chicago style pizza!

Inept bunglers compared to New Haven CT.

17 posted on 11/20/2005 2:34:55 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: blam

"Wasn't it in the 1200's that Marco Polo brought noodles back from China? And then, in the 1500's the tomato was obtained from the new world (Americas)."

You are the winner. Tomatos from Mexico completed the ingredient list.

My mother-in-law stirs up a mean plate, using pasta, olive oil, and mustard greens.

A favorite with families that came directly from Apulia (Italy) to California. Mustard greens grow wild in both places.


18 posted on 11/20/2005 2:35:50 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: muir_redwoods

The best pizza I have ever had is made in Newport News, Virginia - in my kitchen.


19 posted on 11/20/2005 2:36:35 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: blam

Us glass men really get around.


20 posted on 11/20/2005 2:37:19 PM PST by bert (K.E. ; N.P . Remember the Maine, Remember the Alamo..... Remember Murtha)
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To: muir_redwoods
AH! The perennial battle between New York style and Chicago style pizza!

Inept bunglers compared to New Haven CT.

I'm sorry, but Greenridge/Old Forge Pennsylvania has the best pizza in the world. Just go there and ask them, they'll tell you so.

21 posted on 11/20/2005 3:19:11 PM PST by Namyak (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: truth_seeker
Any food is better than cabbage.

Particularly when confined to close quarters with others who have consumed similar quantities of this vegetable.....

22 posted on 11/20/2005 3:19:41 PM PST by Thermalseeker
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To: blam; Coyoteman
I always thought it was obvious from the pyramids in Egypt, China, and Central America, that there has always been a considerable amount of worldwide trade.

The ancients had the physical technology for worldwide travel. The problem is that proving that travel was actually done is pretty difficult.

Why would the Central Americans carve in stone on their monuments "we got the idea for this pyramid from stories told by travelers"?

Lewis and Clarke traveled a tremendous distance using technology that was basically available to ancient humans thousands of years ago. Yes, they had firearms, but this only reduced the hunting workload. The ancients still could have done such things over a slightly longer time frame, or with more hunters.

This is all merely speculation, but I have little doubt it's true.

23 posted on 11/20/2005 3:24:21 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: SunkenCiv

The Han Dynasty was aware of a great Empire in the distant West, and the Romans were buying Asian silk via the Persians. The Persians were the intermediaries for the two empires on trade. Unlike modern times, the trade routes were national secrets, not shared publicly to insure Perisan monopoly on trade access. Ironicly in the late Han Dynasty there was a great land exploration expedition composed of 100,000 men who traveled westward till they reached the Caspian Sea. The leader decided to go north and ran into cold vast steppes and he returned to China concluding that there was nothing of value. If he had gone south he would have reached the eastern outposts of the Roman Empire. History would have been different


24 posted on 11/20/2005 3:29:36 PM PST by Fee (`+Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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To: truth_seeker
Any food is better than cabbage.

I'd trade you a truckload of turnips for one cabbage, or two truckloads of lima beans.

But that's just me.

25 posted on 11/20/2005 3:32:01 PM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: blam

Neat !!


26 posted on 11/20/2005 3:56:52 PM PST by Dustbunny (Main Stream Media -- Making 'Max Headroom' a reality.)
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To: blam

What kind of report is this?? There is no attempt to explain to the reader what this discovery means. What hypotheses does it raise? Very interesting subject though.


27 posted on 11/20/2005 4:00:28 PM PST by The Westerner
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To: Oberon

"I'd trade you a truckload of turnips for one cabbage, or two truckloads of lima beans."

Ain't free enterprise wonderful!

You're on for the Lima Beans.


28 posted on 11/20/2005 4:08:01 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: truth_seeker
Any food is better than cabbage.

Never heard of boiled okra, haggis, or poi, have you?

29 posted on 11/20/2005 4:11:49 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: ApplegateRanch
Boiled okra?

An abomination. Okra should be fried or stewed with tomatoes.

30 posted on 11/20/2005 4:21:31 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Not all problems can be solved with a sledge hammer. Sometimes nitroglycerin is required. Or a Nuke)
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To: R. Scott

Then it came to San Frnacisco, and met up with another Italian by the name of Alfredo, who turned chicken, while Arty choked.

Now, it is a garlic white sauce, with white meat, white mushrooms, and white cauliflower, and not a shred of red or green...but they still insist on calling pale, pallid conglomeration "pizza".


31 posted on 11/20/2005 4:26:14 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
An abomination. Okra should be fried or stewed with tomatoes.

I rest my case. Gumbo or forget it.

32 posted on 11/20/2005 4:30:37 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Fee

The Chinese court also sent a delegation to the Roman Empire, by sea; alas it arrived in the Persian Gulf and never made direct contact. The ambassador praised the ethical nature of the inhabitants of Mesopotamia.


33 posted on 11/20/2005 7:29:56 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Wednesday, November 2, 2005.)
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34 posted on 11/20/2005 7:41:04 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Wednesday, November 2, 2005.)
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To: blam

It's mine! Give it Back!


35 posted on 11/20/2005 7:42:36 PM PST by Young Werther
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To: narby
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To: SunkenCiv

Didn't we have a post a year or two ago about silk being produced in europe?


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To: blam

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38 posted on 11/20/2005 8:10:24 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Wednesday, November 2, 2005.)
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To: blam

I had a chance to buy a 600 year old piece of pottery from China.The piece was smuggled out of China to Hong Kong (and unless it left there I guess that means it is back in China)
My friend was asking $1000 which was probably a bargain price. Oh well (kicks self)


39 posted on 11/20/2005 8:14:15 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: ApplegateRanch
Now, it is a garlic white sauce, with white meat, white mushrooms, and white cauliflower, and not a shred of red or green...but they still insist on calling pale, pallid conglomeration "pizza".

It did start in San Francisco. What can we expect?
40 posted on 11/21/2005 3:23:00 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: RightWhale
Yup. Certain Roman philosopher types used to complain about silver leaving the city to buy spices like long pepper.
41 posted on 11/21/2005 5:47:30 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: blam

Probably pirated so the Chinese could make cheap knock-off copies and flood the Roman WalMart stores.


42 posted on 11/21/2005 5:51:16 AM PST by DoctorMichael (The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Rome imported silk from China. It would be logical to think that the trade went both ways.

I can picture the trade talks going something like this:

Say, I'll give you this nifty piece of glass for some of that-there silk you got there. (Stifling a grin.)

Meanwhile, (thinking to self; Oohh, oohh, got to have that glass..) Well, o.k., I'll trade. (Trying to keep from laughing out loud at the rube who is getting caterpillar spit.)

43 posted on 11/21/2005 6:09:07 AM PST by Designer (Just a nit-pick'n and chagrin'n)
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44 posted on 04/11/2006 4:05:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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