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Pak Hindu girls forced to convert to Islam
Mid day ^ | November 13, 2005 | Hasan Mansoor

Posted on 11/26/2005 7:53:06 AM PST by Gengis Khan

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To: familyop

My point exactly.


41 posted on 11/26/2005 11:49:39 PM PST by Gengis Khan
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To: Gengis Khan

These people should not call themselves Christians because it is not the way of Christ! These people know not Christ or our
Father in Heaven. There hearts are far away! And there is NO EXCUSE FOR THIS BEHAIVOR FROM ANYONE!!!!

I hope that justice will find them here on earth.

Ms. Casey's Daughter


42 posted on 11/27/2005 3:43:26 AM PST by MSCASEY (Our God is an Awesome God! Please come soon Lord.)
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To: little jeremiah

Mid day news vs. World Net Daily! Okay whatever you say!

Ms. Casey's Daughter


43 posted on 11/27/2005 3:47:44 AM PST by MSCASEY (Our God is an Awesome God! Please come soon Lord.)
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To: Gengis Khan

OK, where is the righteous indignation of the Injuns who were going to burn the 60 Christians? Oh, Muslims have a nasty way of kicking back when you do that to them? I see.


44 posted on 11/27/2005 3:55:37 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: MSCASEY; HiTech RedNeck; Gengis Khan
Some background info on the terrorists who massacred innocent Hindus in India:

National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT)

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/nlft.htm

The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) was formed in December 1989 for the purpose of seceding from India in order to create an independent Christian fundamentalist state of Tripura. The group was banned under the Unlawful Activities Prevention Act of 1967.

The headquarters of NLFT is located in the Khagrachari district of Bangladesh, about 40-45 km southeast of Simanapur.

In Tripura a systematic surrender of arms by a faction of NLFT insurgents and NLFT fringe groups is due to the increased security pressure and to infighting within NLFT insurgent ranks. Since 2000 a few hundred militants have surrendered in small groups to the security forces, handing in their weapons. The NLFT leadership engaged in peace talks with Mizoram Chief Zoramthanga in April 2001, however the NLFT has not promised acceptance of any future peace process.

The NLFT has set up a number of camps in Bangladesh's Chittagong Hill Tracts (CHT), in the Sylhet, Maulavi Bazar, Habiganj and Comilla regions. NLFT also has ties with Pakistan’s external intelligence agency, the Inter Services Intelligence Agency (ISI).



Aside: Just like how you go on to claim these people are not Christians, same goes with the supposed "Hindus" who kill innocents. So let's not be too selective and cherry-pick "news" to support an agenda, because if we do, there's no end to it. After all, we mustn't be hypocrites, dontcha agree?
45 posted on 11/27/2005 6:41:51 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Windsong

Yes, that was 400 years ago. Remember?


46 posted on 11/27/2005 6:59:10 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: familyop

And the difference is that the vast majority of Christians condemn this act, as do I. Now, how many Hindus and Mulims will stand up and denounce terrorism and using force to convert people to their religion?

Yea, I'll give you a century or two to find some, but no more than that.


47 posted on 11/27/2005 7:02:48 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: MSCASEY

World Net Daily ......wasn't it the one that reported Nankana (and the incidents happening over there) to be in India. LOL!

WND is a joke to journalism.


48 posted on 11/27/2005 7:20:28 AM PST by Gengis Khan
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To: MSCASEY

"These people should not call themselves ........."

The Christian Church is behind these attacks.

My point is that Muslims and Hindus aren't the only people to have terrorists although 90% of the worlds terrorists are Muslims.


49 posted on 11/27/2005 7:26:07 AM PST by Gengis Khan
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To: Blood of Tyrants
".........how many Hindus and Mulims will stand up and denounce terrorism and using force to convert people to their religion?"

Don't know about Muslims but when Graham Stains and his sons were killed, almost every Hindu organization and the Indian media strongly condemned it. The killers have also been brought to justice. In India let alone Christians, even when Muslims are killed the media is up in arms. Its also the reason why the last Hindu (BJP) government was routed in the elections.
50 posted on 11/27/2005 7:38:19 AM PST by Gengis Khan
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To: Blood of Tyrants; Windsong
Now, how many Hindus and Muslims will stand up and denounce terrorism and using force to convert people to their religion?

I don't know about the Muslims, but whenever atrocities are committed against India's minorities, public outrage is swift. The previous "Hindu Nationalists" were voted out of power, for crying out loud.

However the silence regarding the issue of "Christian" terrorists in India's North-East (see earlier posts) from other Christians/ Christian organisations is getting too loud...not even press coverage in their media to highlight the issue.

51 posted on 11/27/2005 7:54:34 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

"OK, where is the righteous indignation of the Injuns who were going to burn the 60 Christians? "

That news is all bull.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1527903/posts

And Christians arn't so innocent either:
http://www.hinduhumanrights.org/news/newsarticle011005.html

"Oh, Muslims have a nasty way of kicking back when you do that to them? I see."

Hindus are a small minority in Pakistan so its easy. They wont dare do that in India. They know very well what Hindus are capable of.


52 posted on 11/27/2005 7:55:34 AM PST by Gengis Khan
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To: Gengis Khan; HiTech RedNeck; Blood of Tyrants; Windsong; CarrotAndStick; MSCASEY; All

Just posted this on another related thread, for your consideration:

A. The article is 3 years old. AFAIK, the Hindu political party the article is about has lost quite a bit of power since then.
[link to the referenced article: http://afr.com/articles/2003/09/26/1064083184365.html]


B. Muslim violence against Hindus so far outweighs anything Hindus have done IN RETURN regarding length (many hundreds or even more than one thousand years), breadth (over much of greater India, and what to speak of so many other Asian and South Asian countries which used to be primarily Hindu, such as Indonesia), and intensity (millions killed), that I have a hard time being extremely judgmental against Hindus.

That said, no innocent people should ever, ever suffer or "pay" for something they didn't personlly do. So the shame and guilt is on every person, no matter what their religious label, who hurts, terrorizes, or kills any civilians or innocent people.

C. If we look at the situation in India and Pak in an unbiased manner, it is crystal clear who are the overall aggressers and perpetrators of violence and terrorism. To try to blame Hindus in the same breath as Muslims is sheer stupidity or out and out lying.

D. As the articles posted above noted, "Christians" in India have also been known to carry weapons and kill innocents as well.

E. If people want to look at the whole world and see where is religious violence happening, and who is the guilty party, it will be clear in 30 seconds who are the perpetrators: Muslims primarily, and the Communists in China and North Korea and a few other places. Why not focus on those who are actively trying to kill Christians and members of other religions (for instance, Hindus and Buddhists) all over the world? Jailing them, beheading them, raping them, shooting, etc. Look at what's happening in Indonesia - school girls getting their heads chopped off because they are Christian. Look at Saudi Arabia - it's illegal to even bring a Bible into the country. When US military personel were there in numbers, everyone was warned not to send them Christmas cards or Bibles. In Pakistan people are killed right and left for reading the Bible to someone, and Christian women are routinely raped as punishment.

Why focus on India, when compared to most every other country in the history of the world, is the emblem of religious diversity and tolerance? If you take Muslims out of the equation, the entire world is practically a place of religious harmony. They (and now, in the US, the ACLU and prefessional atheists) are the main enemies of God in the world.

Not Hindus.

Some people here on FR have a real bee in their bonnets about Hinduism. I have studied the Vedic scriptures - upon which Hinduism is founded - for most of my life. I know more about the scriptural foundation of Vedic religion than most people on FR. Naturally, there are practictioners of any relgion who are not advanced in their own religion and commit many horrors or plain stupidity due to their lack of a real relationship with God. The fault is in human lack, not, in the case of Hinduism or Christianity, in the original scriptures or propounders.

For instance, I accept every word Jesus Christ spoke. I certainly don't accept some of the teachings of many of his followers, if they deviate from his intent and purpose. Same thing with some of what is called Hinduism - if it violates the basic teachings of the Bhagavad Gita, Puranas and other Vedic sciptures, I don't accept it either.

So "Christians" going around killing people, or pressuring and bribing other to convert, especially using things like pictures of Jesus kicking the heads of Hindu deities, are Christians in name only. Hindus who burn alive Muslim women and children who have done them no harm are cultural Hindus but have no connection with the great Vedic religion in truth.

On the other hand, Muslims are ordered in the Koran to slaughter everyone who doesn't surrender to them. Sure, there are some nice words about surrendering to Allah, and his mercy, in the Koran. (I have 2 Korans and have read some of them.) But since its inception, Islam has been nothing other than a force of terror, compulsion, and barbarity.

I hope you seriously consider the points I have made. And if you think India is so intolerant towards, Christians, you really need to take your shades off and study up. Look at Mother Theresa's misssions, and there are many other Christians who have lived in India since one of Jesus' disciples went there almost 2000 years ago.


53 posted on 11/27/2005 9:50:12 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Gengis Khan; CarrotAndStick; little jeremiah

I'll come out, a little, with the results of an old investigation now. I and others dug into what is behind the anti-Hindu-anti-India disseminations long ago. I and others complained but received no reply. ...only saw more pieces by the likes of Buchanan published.

Some of the same published writers also write for publications in front of the likes of the Serbian Defense League (nasty neo-Nazi effort).

The people behind the propaganda disseminations want a Catholic-Eastern Orthodox merger. They also want a close USA-Russia (Rodine, the Church of Mother Russia fascist Party) alliance. Many in the prevailing Russian Party have stated their desire to ban other religions in Russia. There was even an official Russian interrogation of a top Rabbi to consider banning the Talmud. The US fringe groups who work with them spew propaganda at any hint of an alliance with any nation that's not majority Christian.

That said, some morally conservative Catholic priests and Protestant preachers do question the sincerety of beliefs in the power hungry identity movements. They call their people to their faith and away from the "them against us" mindset of the Crusades (during which Jews were slaughtered in many communities in Europe and Israel, then again denied their homeland).

I'll private message you three with an interesting related tidbit.


54 posted on 11/27/2005 12:03:23 PM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: Gengis Khan
Question: What is going from the frying pan into the FIRE.?.
Answer: A Hindu becoming a Muslim..
55 posted on 11/27/2005 12:09:26 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: Gengis Khan
I think our Congress and President import about 15,000 Pakistanis each year as legal, green-carded, immigrants.

Guess we can't let France have all the fun.

56 posted on 11/27/2005 12:17:15 PM PST by dagnabbit (Vincente Fox's opening line at the Mexico-USA summit meeting: "Bring out the Gimp!")
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To: little jeremiah
There are parts of India were there is not tolerance for other religions. It may be that radical fractions that do not represent the majority have taken over, I do not know.

But to pretend it is not happening or to attempt to justify that type behavior from any group or anyone is wrong. I mean whether they are Christian, Muslim, Hindus or any group.

If we attempt to justify or dismiss it that makes us no better than the people committing such behavior.

Ms. Casey's Daughter
57 posted on 11/27/2005 8:20:38 PM PST by MSCASEY (Our God is an Awesome God! Please come soon Lord.)
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To: little jeremiah
And I wish that there was more that could be done in Pakistan. Writing the government there would not help those that are suffering because of their faith (Christians, Hindus or others).

The government there is all for and behind the persecution going on over there.

In India I believe that there is still some humanity left were they will care and make a difference. In Pakistan they may reward people for this horrible behavior.

Ms. Casey's Daughter
58 posted on 11/27/2005 8:24:12 PM PST by MSCASEY (Our God is an Awesome God! Please come soon Lord.)
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To: MSCASEY

I would never attempt to justify any violence done against innocents, especially in the name of religion. There is cruelty and barbarity in every country on earth, among every group of people - every race, nationality, identity, religion.

I consider it better to focus on groups and nationalities who are the most egregious perpetrators. Hands down, it's Muslims and Communists. And counting abortion, you can add Western Europe (and some Eastern European countires) and the US.

Cruelty and subhuman behavior are, unfortunately, spread all over the planet.


59 posted on 11/27/2005 9:26:58 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
I agree completely with your statement. Only I attempt to help and do what I can where I can to make a difference. Some places like in North Korea, Pakistan and other countries the government applauds persecution so it is very difficult to help.

I also agree about abortion. It is sad that there is no value for life.

Take Care,
Ms. Casey's Daughter
60 posted on 11/28/2005 8:25:00 AM PST by MSCASEY (Our God is an Awesome God! Please come soon Lord.)
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