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Lent house in shambles (Katrina evacuees trash accomodations)
Carroll County Times ^ | 29 Nov 2005 | Diane Reynolds

Posted on 11/29/2005 6:01:20 PM PST by Nomorjer Kinov

When the Firm Foundation Worship Center got the call that a family of nine escaping Hurricane Katrina had arrived in Westminster needing a house, church members jumped into action.

"They came here with nothing," said Marge DiMaggio, the church's co-pastor.

As quickly as possible, church members made a house on church property look like a home.

When the Brown family left on Sunday, the DiMaggios were horrified to find the house in shambles.

"Hurricane hits Firm Foundation," said Marge DiMaggio.

While answering the call in September, church members' hearts were filled with compassion for the unknown family.

"We brought our pillows over," said Marge DiMaggio, so the family could sleep well the first night.

The church laid new carpet donated by Altieri Builders, redid the bathrooms, found appliances and even hung curtains to make the old-fashioned white-frame house welcoming to the family.

They bought clothes, assembled beds out of mattresses donated by the Westminster Rescue Mission and stocked the pantry with food.

The Browns paid no rent and no utilities for the house.

On Sunday, the DiMaggios entered the house after church, at about 1 p.m., said Marge DiMaggio's son, Brian DiMaggio. The Browns left during church services, between 11 and noon, he said.

A lamp was smashed on the floor, the lampshade stomped.

The screen door was torn off the hinges and flung onto the back deck.

Someone cut a hole in the trampoline that belonged to Joann DiMaggio's children.

Curtain rods were ripped from the wall and left bent and dangling from one screw.

Clothing, potato chip bags, soda cans, socks and empty bags were strewn throughout the house.

A hole was punched in a bathroom wall.

In another bathroom, dried toothpaste was smeared on the vanity, a capless toothpaste tube on the windowsill above.

A big, broken pink plastic car was abandoned on the hill outside the house.

In a dirty refrigerator upstairs, someone left a coffee mug with an inch or two layer of coffee sludge in the bottom.

Dirty dishes were stacked in the sink or on the counters.

But in perhaps the biggest insult, the words "MD Sucks" were emblazoned in black paint on the side of the home.

"When our eyes caught this, we all stood here and froze," Marge DiMaggio said.

Unhappy in Maryland

According to 42-year-old Keith Brown, who with his wife and children was halfway back to their home state of Louisiana, the property was not misused.

"We cleaned up as much as we could," he said.

He denied painting "MD Sucks" on the side of the house. His wife denied knowledge of any vandalism.

Yet Brown, whose family was referred to the church by Home Services Resources of Westminster, admitted to being unhappy during his stay here.

"We had a lot of problems with people about the house," he said.

The DiMaggios would come in and sneak around when the family was out, he said. The DiMaggios would tell them they needed to clean up this and that.

"Living in that environment and having someone watching over your shoulder wasn't worth crap," he said.

Marge and Joann DiMaggio were stunned at Brown's angry response to their generosity.

"The house was so fresh two months ago," said Marge DiMaggio. "We didn't check up on them," she said. "We didn't lord over them. We had no idea."

A few times early on they did ask that things be cleaned up, but that was only natural, she said.

Further, Brown said, the family was never provided with money he said the church promised to help them return home.

"If I wouldn't have done some under-the-table work ... I would never have the money to come home," Brown said.

All of this, he said, left a bad taste in his mouth.

They had to fight to keep items given to them, such as one of the home's two refrigerators and a washing machine, he said. The DiMaggios, who let the Browns have the items, said they had believed the appliances were donated to the house, not the family.

Brown said the DiMaggios, having heard a rumor the Browns were leaving, insulted the family by showing the house to another couple without the Browns' permission.

The DiMaggios had a right to show the house to prospective renters, Marge DiMaggio said. "Frankly, we didn't need permission to bring someone in."

The prospective renters said the house was trashed, but they did not see any vandalism, according to Brian DiMaggio.

The Browns never thanked the church for what it did, Marge DiMaggio said.

"I don't know why they would have a bad taste in their mouth when everything was given to them," she said. "We gave them everything. They never paid for anything."

Natural response

Therein might lie the problem, said psychologist Harald Graning of Confidential Counseling of Westminster.

While the Browns might look like the ultimate ingrates, their response is not unnatural, he said.

"Suppose that you were living your life," he said, "and all of a sudden God came down and destroyed your house? You'd probably be pissed."

The anger that people feel under such circumstances needs to be vented and often isn't.

Unfortunately, the overwhelming generosity of others can backfire by intensifying the recipient's sense of anger and helplessness.

"You are forced to accept charity," he said. "It's demeaning."

Doing good makes the benefactor feel better, not the person being helped, he said. When the person on the receiving end can't repay the kindness and feels compelled to feel appreciative, he or she can become extremely frustrated. Acting out can occur.

Church members trying to make sense of the situation shouldn't feel rejected or upset their gifts were rejected, he said.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: charity; christians; dirtbags; evacuees; fromtrashtotrash; graning; haraldgraning; ingrates; katrina; katrinarelief; keithbrown; lowlifes; pondscum; psychobabble; vandalism
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Trashy punks...

No good deed goes unpunished.

1 posted on 11/29/2005 6:01:23 PM PST by Nomorjer Kinov
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To: Nomorjer Kinov

Probably trashing the house is just part of their normal lifestyle.


2 posted on 11/29/2005 6:04:56 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Nomorjer Kinov

"You are forced to accept charity," he said. "It's demeaning."


Obviously this family was quite demeaned, being forced to accept so much charity. There may be some good however - I'm sure their hosts will be much more reticent to "demean" them, or anyone else in need, in the future.


3 posted on 11/29/2005 6:06:03 PM PST by linear
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To: Nomorjer Kinov

I understand the frustration of being helpless and in need..
I also understand trash...


4 posted on 11/29/2005 6:06:14 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Nomorjer Kinov

Those of us who said not to take in refugees, even those referred by a church, were roundly crticized here a few months ago.


5 posted on 11/29/2005 6:06:54 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Nomorjer Kinov

There's always someone who will excuse the behavior of the worst among us. The generosity was the problem. Gimme a break.


6 posted on 11/29/2005 6:07:25 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Nomorjer Kinov

That leftist psychologist is an idiot.


7 posted on 11/29/2005 6:07:37 PM PST by JillValentine (Western liberals who sympathize with terrorists are kissing the ass that farts on them.)
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To: Nomorjer Kinov
"You are forced to accept charity," he said. "It's demeaning."

Oh puleeze...sounds like all of LA made a living accepting charity for generations. They weren't demeaned by it.

8 posted on 11/29/2005 6:07:42 PM PST by SouthernFreebird
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To: Rodney King

there have been many stories where evacuees who were giving free housing - even in places most people would consider to be paradise - were completely ungrateful about it.

I guess some people can't abide by having it 'good' if it's unfamiliar to them - so they revert back to the lackluster conditions they're comfortable with.


9 posted on 11/29/2005 6:08:46 PM PST by flashbunny (To err is human. But to really screw something up, have the government try to fix it.)
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To: Nomorjer Kinov

Look for more stories in the same vien. When people never earn their own money this is how property and possesions get treated. I live in New Orleans and I am back full time. When other states began taking in evacuess I told my family that this would happen. All the goodhearted people who tried to help will be devastated.


10 posted on 11/29/2005 6:09:31 PM PST by Grenada
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To: Nomorjer Kinov
Therein might lie the problem, said psychologist Harald Graning of Confidential Counseling of Westminster.
While the Browns might look like the ultimate ingrates, their response is not unnatural, he said.

Leave it to the psycobabble crowd to rush to the defense of these heathens. It would seem the wanna-be-shrink has no more idea of morality than the gutter trash from Louisiana.

Freepers should keep an eye out for this behaviour elsewhere, because these people were flown all over the country.

11 posted on 11/29/2005 6:09:32 PM PST by adamsjas
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To: Nomorjer Kinov
Therein might lie the problem, said psychologist Harald Graning of Confidential Counseling of Westminster. While the Browns might look like the ultimate ingrates, their response is not unnatural, he said. "Suppose that you were living your life," he said, "and all of a sudden God came down and destroyed your house? You'd probably be pissed." The anger that people feel under such circumstances needs to be vented and often isn't. Unfortunately, the overwhelming generosity of others can backfire by intensifying the recipient's sense of anger and helplessness. "You are forced to accept charity," he said. "It's demeaning."

This idiot shrink is as nutty as these ingrates.

12 posted on 11/29/2005 6:09:36 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Nomorjer Kinov

Wow......what can I say? Your "Keywords" are adequate! The psychologist needs a psychologist, and this family needs some condoms.


13 posted on 11/29/2005 6:11:17 PM PST by toldyou
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To: Nomorjer Kinov
Therein might lie the problem, said psychologist Harald Graning of Confidential Counseling of Westminster.

That this guy provides guidance to others is scary....

14 posted on 11/29/2005 6:11:17 PM PST by Doctor Raoul (Raoul's First Law of Journalism: BIAS = LAYOFFS)
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To: Nomorjer Kinov
Psychologist Harald Graning of Confidential Counseling of Westminster, "While the Browns might look like the ultimate ingrates, their response is not unnatural."

I'll bet he knows better than to be charitable.

15 posted on 11/29/2005 6:11:22 PM PST by NicknamedBob (If I were not a husband and father, I might be wealthier, but I wouldn't be richer.)
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To: Rodney King

It is a sad statement to say you were correct. This family traveled to Maryland ... that is long distance ingratitude.


16 posted on 11/29/2005 6:12:03 PM PST by Nomorjer Kinov
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To: Nomorjer Kinov
The Browns never thanked the church for what it did, Marge DiMaggio said.

Marge DiMaggio gets hit upside the head with an object lesson in reality.

17 posted on 11/29/2005 6:13:42 PM PST by TEEHEE
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To: Cicero

"Therein might lie the problem, said psychologist Harald Graning of Confidential Counseling of Westminster."

The biggest problem is apologists for unacceptable behavior.


18 posted on 11/29/2005 6:14:07 PM PST by billhilly (If you're lurking here from DU (Democrats unglued), I trust this post will make you sick.)
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To: Nomorjer Kinov

Well, as my grandfather used to say: "You can't shine
sh!t; you can rub it, and rub it, and rub it, but it just won't shine..."


19 posted on 11/29/2005 6:14:16 PM PST by Born Conservative ("Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion." -Donald Rumsfeld)
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To: Nomorjer Kinov

These people may or may not be trash; but the tables could be turned. I used to work for this company and we did a Christmas thing every year. One time this couple and their family came. They dressed as nicely as possible which was really pretty good; but were driving a really nasty looking car. I was so glad we could help them; but some of our people including the manager decided to read into these people and made their stay with us very unpleasant. I was absolutely mortified. These people did nothing to deserve this kind of treatment. They knew they were coming to a company and tried to dress accordingly; but to this manager they were taking advantage of us; which I believe was totally untrue. I believe they were as honest as they could be and I could have rung that manager's neck and the others that were so cruel. You could see the hurt in their faces after being treated so shabby by these ex co-workers.


20 posted on 11/29/2005 6:14:29 PM PST by freekitty
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To: Nomorjer Kinov

These people may or may not be trash; but the tables could be turned. I used to work for this company and we did a Christmas thing every year. One time this couple and their family came. They dressed as nicely as possible which was really pretty good; but were driving a really nasty looking car. I was so glad we could help them; but some of our people including the manager decided to read into these people and made their stay with us very unpleasant. I was absolutely mortified. These people did nothing to deserve this kind of treatment. They knew they were coming to a company and tried to dress accordingly; but to this manager they were taking advantage of us; which I believe was totally untrue. I believe they were as honest as they could be and I could have rung that manager's neck and the others that were so cruel. You could see the hurt in their faces after being treated so shabby by these ex co-workers.


21 posted on 11/29/2005 6:14:36 PM PST by freekitty
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To: Grenada

Not all. We took in evacuees and they were wonderful to have around, helped us out with whatever they could, and constantly expressed gratitude -- to the point where I finally had to tell them to shut up! Now they have found their own place and sent us a huge bouquet of flowers when they were settled. As with anything else, all the media reports is the bad news. I'm sure there are many many other experiences like ours.


22 posted on 11/29/2005 6:15:57 PM PST by Nick5
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To: Nomorjer Kinov

Breaks your heart to think of the disappointment of the folks at this church. You so want to see generosity rewarded in this life, sometimes, instead of having to wait to see it in the next.


23 posted on 11/29/2005 6:15:59 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Cicero

>>>"Probably trashing the house is just part of their normal lifestyle"<<<

That kind of talk will get you roundly trashed here at FR and your own thread over at DU.

I learned that lesson months ago.

TT


24 posted on 11/29/2005 6:16:43 PM PST by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: Nomorjer Kinov
"Living in that environment and having someone watching over your shoulder wasn't worth crap," he said.

As opposed to taking care of the place.

Further, Brown said, the family was never provided with money he said the church promised to help them return home. "If I wouldn't have done some under-the-table work ... I would never have the money to come home," Brown said.

I wonder how much effort he actually put in to finding a real job, versus just waiting for someone to give him cash in hand?

25 posted on 11/29/2005 6:17:06 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: Nomorjer Kinov

The lovely and gracious Brown family deserves much worse than what Katrina gave them.....


26 posted on 11/29/2005 6:17:56 PM PST by clintonh8r (I hope I'm at home when the GOP Senate Campaign Committee calls for some money.)
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To: Nomorjer Kinov
why welfare doesn't work, part 120,335,230,496,255.
27 posted on 11/29/2005 6:18:08 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (whatever)
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To: Nomorjer Kinov
While the Browns might look like the ultimate ingrates, their response is not unnatural, he said. "Suppose that you were living your life," he said, "and all of a sudden God came down and destroyed your house? You'd probably be pissed." The anger that people feel under such circumstances needs to be vented and often isn't.

And here is the jist, the Lefty pricks telling you that its ok to be an arse and treat those helping you like crap....its God's fault after all...or maybe Bush's.

28 posted on 11/29/2005 6:19:13 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: freekitty

Did that family trash the enviornment? I don't think it matters if a few people from the church treated this family condescendingly or poorly--and who says anyone did. How does that merit the destruction of this house AND demanding that they should keep a washing machine, as well as a CONPLETE lack of gratitude????


29 posted on 11/29/2005 6:19:52 PM PST by Grenada
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To: Nomorjer Kinov

Great! Let them go back to NO and see what they have to live in. Then when they discover there is noplace, they can go out and get a job and earn enough money to pay rent for less than what they were getting for free.


30 posted on 11/29/2005 6:20:21 PM PST by McGavin999 (Reporters write the truth, Journalists write stories.)
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To: Nomorjer Kinov
"Doing good makes the benefactor feel better, not the person being helped, he said. When the person on the receiving end can't repay the kindness and feels compelled to feel appreciative, he or she can become extremely frustrated. Acting out can occur."

A simple sincere 'thank you' would do. The above statement is BS. People who are 'used' to getting something for nothing 'expect' others to give, therefore the attitude. Example, them getting angry because they couldn't 'take' with them the appliances. Of course it never occurred to them the next family in need would need those things. Complete and utter "we're entitled" selfishness.
31 posted on 11/29/2005 6:20:23 PM PST by blogblogginaway (..)
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To: plain talk

They are bitter and what comes out is anger and resentment - no matter what makes sense for a person that is well. I would bet money these folks were bitter before the hurricane because they are way too good at it.

During the evacuation when the refugees first arrived in Houston, we read about volunteers being belittled by individuals. It makes you wonder if love and kindness is a total stranger to some people. That is sad. This is what our welfare system produces - broken, bitter individuals. This is not true of all - but it is true for many.


32 posted on 11/29/2005 6:20:35 PM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

That welfare doesn't work, we know; but if charity also doesn't work, where does that leave us? Aren't we commanded to leave the gleanings of our field for the poor and the widow, etc. etc., all through the Bible?


33 posted on 11/29/2005 6:21:58 PM PST by Nick5
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To: Nomorjer Kinov
Animals.
34 posted on 11/29/2005 6:23:16 PM PST by CAWats (People that are easily angered are easily frightened)
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To: Nomorjer Kinov
I don't know why they would have a bad taste in their mouth when everything was given to them

Key words right there. When you get everything for free, you appreciate nothing.

35 posted on 11/29/2005 6:23:37 PM PST by radiohead (Proud member of the 'arrogant supermagt')
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To: Grenada

**When people never earn their own money this is how property and possesions get treated. ***

Several years ago we sold our house to a family who always rented in the past. For about 6 years they always called us when anything needed fixing, as they did not understand that THEY were responsible for repairs on their house, expecting us to fix them.
A few months after they moved in, the house looked to be well trashed.


36 posted on 11/29/2005 6:24:12 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Nomorjer Kinov

My sister loaned her house in TN to a family from Katrina. They came in some fashion through her church. Anyway, nothing to this degree, but they were very messy and inconsiderate. Smoking in the house when specifically requested not to. Full ash trays lying around. Junk everywhere.

And something interesting. They came with virtually nothing, but picked up and left without notice (or cleaning up after themselves) and left behind a garage full of stuff. Donations we are assuming.

Altogether, they left a very bad taste in her mouth.


37 posted on 11/29/2005 6:24:36 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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To: Nick5

I am glad you had a good experience. My utter disgust with the population right now is at an all time high. I was at a town meeting with Nagin today and I am still so angry. You are right, of course, the media focuses on the ugly and the loudest people are always filled with negativity. I am just drained at the moment and all I see is laziness, stupidity, and ugliness. It takes a toll on ones outlook on their fellow man.


38 posted on 11/29/2005 6:24:38 PM PST by Grenada
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To: Grenada

Just wait until all the evacuees get tossed out of the Hiltons and Marriotts after the holidays. The ones who have said 'all we do is lay around all day...you can't do nothin else'. The leftist press will scream bloody murder, and I'll wager the feds will cave. They'll put all these people up for life, with room service. And I will have to pay for them.


39 posted on 11/29/2005 6:24:57 PM PST by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: Nomorjer Kinov
I would never offer anything to these people. I see when I drive thru Detroit what they do to property. I think they should have to repair all damages done to gift living. If they do not fix the damage, they should go to jail for 5 years. This is only the start. Just wait till we get the reports of all the hotels and motels that are occupied at present.

Am I a racist? I'm sure there are some hitting reply before I am even done typing this. But take me out of the equation and ask a simple question.... Now that things are looking up in NO, if this sort of thing were to happen again, would the same people volunteer their hospitality again? Or is that a racist question?

40 posted on 11/29/2005 6:26:04 PM PST by sit-rep (If you acquire, hit it again to verify...)
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To: Grenada
Good for you being back in the City. What part of the city do you live?

I have been there five or six times since the storm and it is frightening how slow the progress is and how counterproductive the city gov has been.

But yes, the Browns appear to be a product of the welfare state and Orleans Parish schools. Bad news either way.
41 posted on 11/29/2005 6:26:46 PM PST by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I had a similar experience when we sold our house to an ex-renter many years ago. This person called us regularly for a year when anything needed fixing or if they just wanted home improvements done. They even demanded we pay to have someone come out and change the air conditioning filter...a year after we left.


42 posted on 11/29/2005 6:28:02 PM PST by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: Nick5

"Aren't we commanded to leave the gleanings of our field for the poor and the widow, etc. etc., all through the Bible?" Does it command you to harvest the grain for them and bake the bread for them? Or do people who receive charity have to do SOME work for said charity?


43 posted on 11/29/2005 6:29:04 PM PST by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: Grenada

I feel the same way a lot of the time. Just stupidity and lies and selfishness everywhere. Except where the opposite qualities somehow manage to exist. And that's where I try to keep looking. I would love to have heard what Mr. Nagin had to say.


44 posted on 11/29/2005 6:29:38 PM PST by Nick5
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To: Grenada

I saw a clip of Nagin announcing free internet service in N.O., like it was going to rescue the city. Whats up with that?


45 posted on 11/29/2005 6:30:05 PM PST by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: Nomorjer Kinov

My girlfriend, who is a nurse from New Orleans, commented to me on this situation. She said: "Uh oh these folks around the country have NO idea what they are getting into."

She said: "Pretty soon we'll be getting calls from strangers saying: 'You all come and pick up your people, now. It's time for them to go back to New Orleans.'"


46 posted on 11/29/2005 6:30:34 PM PST by Sleeping Beauty
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To: radiohead
Key words right there. When you get everything for free, you appreciate nothing.

Exactly what Rush has been saying for years.

47 posted on 11/29/2005 6:30:56 PM PST by CAWats (People that are easily angered are easily frightened)
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To: Born Conservative
Actually that isn't totall true.

When I lived in Africa (Zimbabwe), I saw rural African homes that used cow dung to make a dirt floor shine like linoleum.

I was shocked at how good it looked--no smell either. Their homes were neat and tidy.

48 posted on 11/29/2005 6:30:57 PM PST by twntaipan (MERRY CHRISTMAS WAS NOT A PROBLEM UNTIL THE DEMOCRATS MADE IT A PROBLEM)
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To: TexasTransplant

Evening TT,
I don't think so, if it is the truth of their lifestyle.

Low life scumbag trash will always be LLSBT regardless of what you do to help them.

As I See It,
NSNR-FA&TD


49 posted on 11/29/2005 6:31:03 PM PST by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: dynachrome

That's a very good point--the widows and orphans are expected to go into the fields and glean the gleanings themselves; there's nothing in there about home delivery. I think the bigger point is that we shouldn't let people like the Browns make us not want to find ways to be generous, or give us an excuse not to try.


50 posted on 11/29/2005 6:31:47 PM PST by Nick5
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