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Russia to sell 29 air defense systems to Iran
Pravda ^

Posted on 12/03/2005 4:51:33 PM PST by markedmannerf

Russia intends to sell 29 Tor M-1 anti-missile systems capable of downing cruise missiles and air bombs to Iran, the Vedomosti newspaper wrote with reference to an anonymous manager of a defense enterprise. According to the newspaper, the contract on the matter has already been signed. Tor M-1 air defense system

Tor is a solely defensive weapon, which intercepts cruise missiles. Journalists contacted the management of the Kupol (Dome) enterprise, which manufactures Tor anti-missile systems, although they failed to obtain a confirmation of the above-mentioned transaction.

A source from the air defense industry said that it goes about the sale of 29 Tor M-1 anti-missile complexes on the base of the Greek order. Greece purchased 21 systems and was intended to acquire 29 more. The country turned the order down at the end of the nineties. Experts evaluate the Iranian contact in the sum of $700 million.

(Excerpt) Read more at english.pravda.ru ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: coldwar2; communism; iran; kgb; missiledefense; putin; russia; sovietunion; theyneverworkanyway; ussr
The more I see things like this the more I wonder how long were going to allow the clock to tick.
1 posted on 12/03/2005 4:51:33 PM PST by markedmannerf
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To: markedmannerf

You and me both. Trouble is, I don't think we can stop the clock.


2 posted on 12/03/2005 5:01:39 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: markedmannerf

Why is Putin playing with fire like this? There are plenty of other countries Russia could sell weapons to. It can't just be the money.

This is big-time troublemaking. Give nuclear arms to a homicidal maniac and missiles to protect himself against attack.

Russia is well within range of nuclear missiles, both from Iran and Israel. Are they nuts?


3 posted on 12/03/2005 5:03:42 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: markedmannerf
If there is a beginning of the next world war...
4 posted on 12/03/2005 5:08:33 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell
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To: markedmannerf

When Israel strikes, I hope the wind is strong out of the southeast.


5 posted on 12/03/2005 5:11:16 PM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (m)
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To: markedmannerf

Oh good! They are putting up some targets!


6 posted on 12/03/2005 5:11:30 PM PST by westmichman (I vote Republican for the children and the poor!)
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To: markedmannerf

What on earth is Russia up to?????


7 posted on 12/03/2005 5:11:47 PM PST by Jewels1091
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To: Cicero
Are they nuts?

Putin is the Bill Clinton of Russia.

He's just a boob with a title and oozes incompetence!!

8 posted on 12/03/2005 5:12:59 PM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (m)
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To: markedmannerf

The ugly, alcoholic stepsister of Eurasia again proves her worth.


9 posted on 12/03/2005 5:21:07 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: markedmannerf
I think the Russians are just trying to unload overpriced junk nobody else will buy.


10 posted on 12/03/2005 5:21:36 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: operation clinton cleanup
Yup, besides they're worthless against B-2s.
11 posted on 12/03/2005 5:27:37 PM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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To: markedmannerf

Translation
TOR M1 missle system = bomb magnet.

I know of least 3 systems that would put this out of action so fast, the ops would be, well, BBQ'd.

Who knows what is current in our ECM inventory, or what the IAF folks have at hand?


12 posted on 12/03/2005 5:29:21 PM PST by ASOC (The result of choosing between the lesser of two evils, in the end, leaves you with, well, evil.)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
He's just a boob with a title and oozes incompetence!!

But didn't GW look into Puttie's eye and see that he was an honest, sincere peace loving man?

13 posted on 12/03/2005 5:30:34 PM PST by CommandoFrank (Peer into the depths of hell and there you will find the face of Islam...)
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To: markedmannerf
The more I see things like this the more I wonder how long were going to allow the clock to tick.

Israel knows how to handle such matters.The words "never again" will ring more and more loudly in the ears of the population (and teir leaders) as those 9th Century knuckledraggers move toward their own national Armageddon.

14 posted on 12/03/2005 5:34:39 PM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: markedmannerf
The same Ruskie made systems Saddam had no doubt....
15 posted on 12/03/2005 5:34:43 PM PST by Feckless (En Temps)
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To: CommandoFrank
But didn't GW look into Puttie's eye and see that he was an honest, sincere peace loving man?

And as the ultimate con man of all time....Bill Clinton charmed a nation.

Putie has some of that charm....for a Ruskie.

Bush has that age-old alcoholic's urge to please everyone all the time.

That's why he hasn't vetoed a single spending bill.....and why he seems so star-struck with Democrats.

I'm afraid Bush will never see the Democrats as he sees Al Quaeda.

We know that Democrats are more dangerous.

16 posted on 12/03/2005 5:39:46 PM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (m)
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To: markedmannerf
[ Tor is a solely defensive weapon, which intercepts cruise missiles. Journalists contacted the management of the Kupol (Dome) enterprise, which manufactures Tor anti-missile systems, although they failed to obtain a confirmation of the above-mentioned transaction. ]

Would be terrible in a wonderful kind of way if "somebody" invented a Cruise missile that carries a HARM missile for defense against being radiated.. wouldnt it.. and with no radiation both would go off on contact..

17 posted on 12/03/2005 5:56:07 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: operation clinton cleanup

Absolutely correct, sir! One thing we've learned since Desert Storm is that the Russians/soviets/Evil Empire make crappy weapons.

Remember the "$10 billion in arms saddam bought from the Russians"? I don't think saddam got his money's worth. Of course, he isn't really in any condition to complain now, is he?

Also, please remember one steel fact: It's not just the weapons. Even more critical to winning a firefight, battle, or war is the quality of personnel and their training. (Train, train, train!) I'm betting that the iranians are even worse fighters than the Iraqis, because of the low quality of their personnel and the chinese firedrills that pass for military training. Think along the lines of a monkey in the missile compartment of a Ohio-class boomer. "Insha allah, how do I make it go bang?"


18 posted on 12/03/2005 5:58:15 PM PST by MyDogAllah
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To: MyDogAllah
I'm betting that the iranians are even worse fighters than the Iraqis, because of the low quality of their personnel and the chinese firedrills that pass for military training.

Exactly. Forced military service does not produce quality forces. It will be 5-10 years before these things are ever fielded anyway. Even if these things were 100% effective against cruise missiles, they would run out of rounds before the first wave of attacks were finished.

19 posted on 12/03/2005 6:06:23 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: CommandoFrank
"But didn't GW look into Puttie's eye and see that he was an honest, sincere peace loving man?"

W says that about everyone ... even Mooselimbs and Democrats.

20 posted on 12/03/2005 6:08:32 PM PST by manwiththehands (Democrats and the MSM: lies and hypocrisy on steroids)
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To: markedmannerf

Russia's weaponry worked really well for Iraq.

Sell 'em all they care to buy, comrade.


21 posted on 12/03/2005 6:35:26 PM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: markedmannerf

Russian is still our enemy....


22 posted on 12/03/2005 6:36:14 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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To: CommandoFrank
But didn't GW look into Puttie's eye and see that he was an honest, sincere peace loving man?

Oooooohhhhhh!!!!! Cold, but true!

23 posted on 12/03/2005 6:43:42 PM PST by appleharvey
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To: Jewels1091

I'd says this means we should have no qualms about arming Georgia, Armenia, Ukraine (if they're buying), Belorussia (after the revolution sweeps away the pro-Putin POS that's in charge there), and any other border country that has an argument with Russia. And the stuff we sell will actually work.


24 posted on 12/03/2005 6:56:51 PM PST by happyathome
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To: happyathome

Now we can defend against the infidels, allah willing!

We can intercept the satanic missiles of the great satan and destroy them utterly without trace. !

Humdulilah! What was that? What does he mean, one if by land and two if by air?

Humdulilah, what do they mean when they say that the quarterback is not going for the air game?

These infidels are so stupid! Their silly uncivilized games!

What do you mean Achmed? You saw a troop of infidel Marines go by riding camels and ATV's from Iraq? Impossible! What, you mean they have not used their cruise missiles after we had developed the means to pluck them from the beard of the Great Satan!

Oh the infidels are so stupid.


25 posted on 12/03/2005 7:21:12 PM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
Bush has that age-old alcoholic's urge to please everyone all the time. That's why he hasn't vetoed a single spending bill.....

and why he seems so star-struck with Democrats.

I'm afraid Bush will never see the Democrats as he sees Al Quaeda.

We know that Democrats are more dangerous.

Very unfortunate.... and true.

26 posted on 12/03/2005 9:14:50 PM PST by CommandoFrank (Peer into the depths of hell and there you will find the face of Islam...)
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To: Cicero

Putin is a hardline communist and hates America. He is also trying to rebuild the USSR.


27 posted on 12/03/2005 9:18:40 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Thunder90

And he is trying to set up a very large Anti-America bloc with former and current communist powers.


28 posted on 12/03/2005 9:19:33 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: ASOC
Who knows what is current in our ECM inventory, or what the IAF folks have at hand?

Anyone who actually knows, also knows to STFU.

29 posted on 12/03/2005 9:20:34 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: markedmannerf
"The Gore-Chernomyrdin protocol was first disclosed publicly in 2000. It was the result of secret talks between then Vice President Al Gore and Russia's then-Prime Minister Viktor Chernomyrdin. After the revelations in 2000, the State Department acknowledged Gore assured Russia that, under the provisions of the agreement, the U.S. would not sanction the Kremlin for Russian arm sales to Iran – through 1999."

"Critics of the agreement pointed out it was in violation of the spirit, if not the letter, of the Iran-Iraq Non-proliferation Act, sponsored by then Sen. Gore, that required the imposition of sanctions against countries that made destabilizing arms sales to either Iran or Iraq."

"Gore's office was not available for comment."

worldnetdaily.com/

30 posted on 12/03/2005 9:46:03 PM PST by Daaave (More human, than human®.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Israel knows how to handle such matters.The words "never again" will ring more and more loudly in the ears of the population (and teir leaders) as those 9th Century knuckledraggers move toward their own national Armageddon.

Because a first strike would isolate them internationally so badly, and because the US is their only friend and given US politics it is not at all a given that even it would stand by them, I had doubts about Israel taking them on even with all of the tough talk about not allowing Iran to get nukes. However, when Iran said Israel should be wiped off the map, that is basically a declaration of war. It puts Israel in a better position diplomatically, although they will really take a beating internationally if they take out the nukes, and it'll be more than just words, for example, disinvestment - and look what that did to South Africa. However, I think that statement will make a difference and will come back to haunt the Ayatollahs.

31 posted on 12/04/2005 1:13:06 AM PST by Northern Alliance
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To: markedmannerf

Is the Tor M-1 anti-missile system the same one the Russians sold Saddam?


32 posted on 12/04/2005 2:13:24 AM PST by Beckwith (The liberal press has picked sides ... and they have sided with the Islamofascists)
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To: Jewels1091
Russia is ancient country with greatest territory (1/6 of world dry land) and 45% of world mineral resources.
State power was captured (1917) by communist who oppress the Russians. Now grandsons and grand-grandsons of first communists rule in Russia but officially they all name self as "democrats" though everybody knows they as former communists. Communist party was most criminal in history of humanity. The Russian lost tens millions human lives since 1917. I suppose all humanity should help to the Russian people in a struggle against communist regime and the United States could be at the head. Instead of this, many thousands Soviet-American co-ownership banks, enterprises had been established and thousands Americans helped to criminal communists to rob the Russians. Final aim to get a bunch of little "independent" states instead the "great Russia".
33 posted on 12/04/2005 2:59:51 AM PST by nativeRussian
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN

Putin had been elected as Yeltsin's successor. Shady commies grabbing Russia wished to continue such pleasant period their enrichment. Putin justifyed their hopes. The Russian people still oppressed, the "New Russians" ("new rich men", former commies/comsomolets, criminal gangster and the same swindlers) still become rich. Brainwashing machine (Russian TV) praise Putin everywhere though intelligent people despise Mr.President utterly and giving scornful nicknames (for instance "Kremlin gopher").


34 posted on 12/04/2005 3:02:45 AM PST by nativeRussian
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To: Feckless
Iran begged of Kremlin to sell them S300-PMU (six missile with range 300km and altitude 25km., bring down all flying up to ballistic missiles) system which China, India, USA(1) has yet.
But Putin sell to Iran most simple anti-aircraft system "Tor-1" of "divisional level" (it can launch two missile only with range 25km and altitude 6km.)
35 posted on 12/04/2005 3:03:52 AM PST by nativeRussian
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To: markedmannerf

This is a virtual declaration of war on us.


36 posted on 12/04/2005 6:19:18 AM PST by tomahawk
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To: Cicero

Putin and his KGB thug pals are nuts, yes.


37 posted on 12/04/2005 6:19:54 AM PST by tomahawk
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To: tomahawk

Nuclear materials and missiles to Iran. Thousands of automatic weapons to Hugo Chavez. These are, indeed, virtual declarations of war against the U.S.

That idiot clinton did much the same to provoke Russia in the war against Yugoslavia, which we fought on the wrong side, but clinton is behind us. Bush has done nothing to provoke this sort of behavior. If anything, he has tried to be Putin's best friend. It's time that Bush started to deal with it.

It's irrelevant that B-2 bombers couldn't be hit by these missiles. Any attack on Iran's nuclear infrastructure is going to have to be done by Israel, and with the sites all hardened, it won't be easy. It may well require low-flying planes and cruise missiles, or even commando raids. Having to confront a defensive missile shield is not helpful. In fact, this may shorten the deadline within which Israel has to work, assuming that Sharon really means what he says, which unfortunately I doubt after his behavior this past year or two.


38 posted on 12/04/2005 7:14:31 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN

Putin is a communist.


39 posted on 12/04/2005 9:56:09 PM PST by Thunder90
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