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“Scrooges”, “Grinches” and “Nice” organizations - CWA List of Christmas friendly retailers
Catholic News Agency ^ | December 9, 2005

Posted on 12/10/2005 7:00:21 AM PST by NYer

Washington DC, Dec. 09, 2005 (CNA) - Intervening in the heated debate about the mention of Christmas on the public square, Concerned Women for America (CWA) presented a first Christmas list showing which businesses are honouring the Reason for the Season (the birth of Jesus), which ones are not, and which have mixed records.

It first lists the corporation ‘Nice’ or friendly to the Original Christmas tradition.  This year Macy's joins the NICE list because it has returned the explicit mention of Christmas and Merry Christmas to its stores and its ads. L.L. Bean, on the other hand, just barely escapes the Grinch list and gets a middle rating because, while its first seasonal catalogue says Christmas 2005, all subsequent catalogues say Holiday 2005, culminating in the Best of Holiday 2005 (surrounded by Christmas items).

"More and more retailers are realizing, too late, that Christian consumers now understand that the constant use of 'happy holidays' and 'holiday' is grating and insulting," said Robert Knight, director of CWA's Culture & Family Institute. "It's an act of cultural cowardice and even an overt attack on Christmas and ultimately the Christian faith.

"When something is clearly about Christmas itself, it is dishonest to ban the very mention of Christmas on the grounds that it might offend a handful of people. This is a nation where surveys show 96 percent of the population celebrates Christmas. There is no survey showing that people of other faiths are insulted when the majority celebrate Christmas or wish anyone a 'Merry Christmas.'

"The tyranny of a tiny minority of Grinches to veto any mention of Christmas must stop," Knight concluded. "We are very encouraged that some major retailers like Macy's are starting to get it and hope that more will join them."

Following is a highlight of the whole list, set into three categories: ‘Nice’, ‘Somewhat Nice, somewhat naughty’and ‘Scrooges.’

NICE

 Macy’s, Chick-fil-A,Kroger, IHOP, Saks Off Fifth Avenue, Kay Jewelers, Capital One, Hobby Lobby, In-N-Out Burger

SOMEWHAT NICE, SOMEWHAT NAUGHTY

Walgreens, Wal-Mart, L.L. Bean, Sears, Lowe’s


 SCROOGES

Target, Office Max, Kmart, Staples, Home Depot, Best Buy, Kohlâs, BJ's, SC Johnson, Verizon, Radio Shack, Zales, Outback, Lexus, Old Navy, Cingular, Reckitt Benckiser, Pier 1, Red Lobster, Office Depot, Gillette, Applebee’s, Burlington Coat, Dell, Milton-Bradley, U.S. Postal Service, Costco


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1 posted on 12/10/2005 7:00:22 AM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 12/10/2005 7:01:01 AM PST by NYer (“Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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To: NYer

Best Buy? I was just there last night and they have Christmas coming out of every corner of their store. Maybe the stores are locally controlled and this is a reaction to one. Our local Starbucks has a huge 'happy holidays' sign, but it hasn't seemed to slow down traffic.. Saying Happy or Holidays or any combination of the two is in no way excluding the words Merry or Christmas or any combination of the two.


3 posted on 12/10/2005 7:09:37 AM PST by mnehring (Peace Activism is an Oxymoron.)
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To: NYer

No Christmas money for these stores...

Target, Office Max, Kmart, Staples, Home Depot, Best Buy, Kohlâs, BJ's, SC Johnson, Verizon, Radio Shack, Zales, Outback, Lexus, Old Navy, Cingular, Reckitt Benckiser, Pier 1, Red Lobster, Office Depot, Gillette, Applebee’s, Burlington Coat, Dell, Milton-Bradley, U.S. Postal Service, Costco



In addition to the Nice list - here are some alternative stores with similar merchandise for Christmas shopping: (If below needs correction due to incidents, please post)

P.C. Richard - buy.com - good alternative to Best Buy
Kay Jewelers - good alternative to ZALES
Modells - Good alternative to clothing Old Navy, Burlington Coat
On the Border, Friday's, Olive Garden? - Alternatives to Outback, Applebees, RedLobster -
Lowe's - Good Alternative to Home Depot
Vision Forum - Alternative to American Girl doll (VisionForum.com online shopping)

Bath and Body Works uses Christmas in their advertising. Went into that store yesterday and told management they would make lots of money from me this year because of their inclusiveness.


4 posted on 12/10/2005 7:11:26 AM PST by milford421
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To: milford421
No Christmas money for these stores...
I would suggest confirming if the 'scrooge' list is accurate first. Many stores have local control over promotions, and like I pointed out, my local Best Buy at least, is draped in the words Christmas from front to back.

In addition to the Nice list - here are some alternative stores with similar merchandise for Christmas

Some stores I've personally noticed should be on the 'Nice' list..

Cloths- Dillards Phones- Alltel Electronics- Circuit City Restaurants- Chili's, TGI Fridays, Cheddars, Olive Garden Cars- Mitsubishi, Chrysler Jewelry/Watches- Tiffanys, Tourneau
5 posted on 12/10/2005 7:22:27 AM PST by mnehring (Peace Activism is an Oxymoron.)
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To: NYer

The only naughty store I've shopped at is Costco, and I've tried to limit it.


6 posted on 12/10/2005 7:56:38 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Exalt the Lord our God, and worship at His footstool; He is holy. Ps 99:5)
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To: milford421
Bath and Body Works uses Christmas in their advertising. Went into that store yesterday and told management they would make lots of money from me this year because of their inclusiveness.

You're doing great so don't take this too hard, but I think you would do even better if you didn't use liberal terminology like "inclusiveness." Maybe just thank them for not being ashamed of the holiday that brings them so much business.

7 posted on 12/10/2005 7:59:06 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Exalt the Lord our God, and worship at His footstool; He is holy. Ps 99:5)
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To: NYer

I understand that Target got the message and has changed its policy. Can someone confirm?


8 posted on 12/10/2005 8:02:20 AM PST by doug from upland (The troops will come home when the mission is complete)
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To: NYer

Sears has changed its policy. Sears has also been good to reservists who work for their company.


9 posted on 12/10/2005 8:03:17 AM PST by doug from upland (The troops will come home when the mission is complete)
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To: mnehrling

I was in K-Mart yesterday (Branson, Missouri) and over the loud speaker in the store they wished all shoppers a "Merry Christmas." I was delighted to hear it.


10 posted on 12/10/2005 9:02:55 AM PST by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde)
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To: mnehrling

All the mothers of kids in diapers should notice the very nice Pampers commerical where they sing Silent Night (real words)and just show pictures of babies sleeping. It really is a good commerical for the Christmas season. Buy your diapers from Pampers as a "thank you."


11 posted on 12/10/2005 9:07:21 AM PST by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde)
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To: conservative blonde

Will stock the church nursery in Pampers.


12 posted on 12/10/2005 10:55:39 AM PST by buckeye4bush (buckeye4bush)
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To: NYer
I have been keeping track not only of the clerks that say Merry Christmas back to me, but also the restaurants and gas stations that have put up decorations this year. Only one local Speedway has a tree and decorations. Our Frisch's is nicely decorated.

Dollar General and Family Dollar have used the "C" word in their print ads. Our Sears has a printed out Marry Christmas sign on their door at the mall. Elder Beerman still is a Christmas place.

Those playing Christmas music are scarcer in our area. None at our Kroger. Meijer is only playing the music in their shoe department. Our Lowe's alternates Christmas music with regular oldies.
13 posted on 12/10/2005 11:07:32 AM PST by buckeye4bush (buckeye4bush)
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To: doug from upland

Sears won't let my daughter wish callers "Merry Christmas," even if the caller initiates it. She works for their financial services department. Be very wary about Sears.


14 posted on 12/10/2005 11:09:39 AM PST by Luke21 (Political correctness is the insane religion of our rulers.)
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To: Luke21

I spoke with a manager. When I asked about the Christmas signs I heard about, she was enthusiastically positive. She was also pleased to wish me Merry Christmas at the end of our conversation. Let's work on the financial services department. Do you have a phone number?


15 posted on 12/10/2005 11:22:10 AM PST by doug from upland (The troops will come home when the mission is complete)
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To: NYer

Idea: For all of December, boycott stores that do not have a visible "Merry Christmas" sign.


16 posted on 12/10/2005 11:26:45 AM PST by Tax Government (Support the Ann Coulter Act of 2006. No free speech at colleges ==> no fed funds.)
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To: milford421
Went into that store yesterday and told management they would make lots of money from me this year because of their inclusiveness.

Just outside the local supermarket today, there was a Salvation Army bell ringer. When I dropped some change into the pot, he wished me a "Happy Holiday". A woman crossing the parking lot shot him a glare and said . . . "it's 'Merry Christmas', not 'Happy Holiday'". It seems people are getting serious about this. Good!

17 posted on 12/10/2005 2:20:20 PM PST by NYer (“Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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To: Tax Government
I heard that Hebrew Nation (hot dog maker) and the Mogen David winery both REFUSE to advertise with the word Christmas, instead opting for to just advertise for Hanukkah. Add them to the list!!

In all seriousness, I believe in promoting businesses that promote Christmas and avoid stores that have a policy of banning Christmas, HOWEVER, we shouldn't jump to conclusions and be rabid boycotters. The choice of the words, happy or holiday does not mean the store is actively excluding Christmas or Christians. Be careful in assigning motivation when one isn't known. Innocent businesses or people could be hurt.
18 posted on 12/10/2005 3:36:45 PM PST by mnehring (Peace Activism is an Oxymoron.)
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To: mnehrling

You're right; no need to become a fascist about Christmas. But the big chain stores that have plenty of opportunity to show a sign of Christmas here or there, that are trying to snuff it out wherever it appears, deserve a rap on the financial knuckles.

Just got back from taking 5-yr-old daughter help ring the Salvation Army bells in front of local Wal*Mart. Asked the little brass band there if they were from Salvation Army also and one said, "no, we're local community musicians." And there was a big whiteboard schedule showing local the community groups that were "manning" the Salvation Army pot for the next several days. So, it is indeed a broad community effort, and mostly but not explicitly Christian. From the standpoint of keeping the SA effort alive and representative of the community, maybe how it's being done is not a bad thing. Merry Christmas all.


19 posted on 12/10/2005 4:07:06 PM PST by Tax Government (Support the Ann Coulter Act of 2006. No free speech at colleges ==> no fed funds.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Yeah, me, too. Unfortunately, there is no replacement to COSTCO, either at Christmas time or year 'round.

I am irritated that they are among the most ardent financial contributors to the DNC and all things "progressive," however. I've tried expressing the simplest of constructive criticisms to their so-called Customer Service, but their nasty responses are ghastly (so abandoned even trying to do so).

Their checkers are as ill mannered and inconsiderate as no where else I've ever encountered, and yet, there I am every month, paying many hundreds of dollars for staples and such.

I really wish there was an alternative to COSTCO, but even trying Sam's Club left me wanting.

I started to say "Merry Christmas" to a Supervisor at COSTCO just a few days ago when last I was there -- they'd overcharged me for, of all things, Christmas Cards I'd just purchased and I had to get this Supervisor to refund the difference (cashier wouldn't/couldn't) -- and at the start of the words, he glared a very ugly glare my way and I just mumbled, "happy holidays" and left feeling badly.

COSTCO is going to eventually lose it's high place among shoppers given how it's become mostly the Berkeley of warehouses, and the ONLY thing that keeps me shopping there is that there are no alternatives to what they provide: decent-to-great goods in bulk at warehouse prices.


20 posted on 12/11/2005 3:02:23 AM PST by MillerCreek
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To: doug from upland

I'll be a'testin' Target out for the Christmas standard in a few days and will let you know!

The "Happy Holidays" thing has just gone way too far by most of these national-brand retailers. They really deserve to lose business and be humiliated by consumers for denying the very word of Christmas along with associations, as if it was something to be ashamed of.

What's actually shameful is their blatant omission of this important experience of Christmas.


21 posted on 12/11/2005 3:05:36 AM PST by MillerCreek
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To: mnehrling

Yes, I understand (thanks for your levelling comments), but, there is (also) nothing inherently WRONG with saying or putting in print, "Merry Christmas" or even "Christmas" as a word, a concept, a celebration along with all associated symbols and stories and such.

Retailers who have insisted on the "no mention of the word, 'Christmas'" policy are displaying a high degree of shame and negativity about the Season, the word itself...and that's what's disturbing to my view as a consumer.

They plaster "Halloween" all over the place, for example, and yet recoil if/when someone says "Merry Christmas" and the like.

It indicates some other policy, unstated but obvious, that is not at all minor.

So, because of that, I think it's important for Christians and those who do not feel shame at the mention of Christmas to act accordingly. This is one effort to respond by refusing to patronize that I support.

Now, if I could only find an alternative to COSTCO...


22 posted on 12/11/2005 3:12:01 AM PST by MillerCreek
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

"inclusiveness."

I disagree.

I think we need to use their weapons against them.


23 posted on 12/11/2005 3:12:24 AM PST by Chickensoup (Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! Merry Chri)
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To: mnehrling

Good point. Will do.

Appreciate the additions to the "nice" list. Thanks.


24 posted on 12/11/2005 7:17:57 AM PST by milford421
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

"but I think you would do even better if you didn't use liberal terminology like "inclusiveness." Maybe just thank them for not being ashamed of the holiday that brings them so much business."

Good point. I will take your suggestion.


25 posted on 12/11/2005 7:18:50 AM PST by milford421
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To: NYer

"It seems people are getting serious about this. Good!"

Certainly is good.





26 posted on 12/11/2005 7:19:34 AM PST by milford421
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To: Chickensoup

Just be careful when you use their terminology that you are not inadvertently embracing their application of it.


27 posted on 12/11/2005 10:21:47 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Exalt the Lord our God, and worship at His footstool; He is holy. Ps 99:5)
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To: NYer

I read about the flap with Wal-Mart a few weeks ago. And yeah, the Walton family has personally donated to abortion groups. However, the Wal-Mart stores here in CT all have the Salvation Army in front greeting people with "Merry Christmas." And inside, 'Ave Maria' and other Christian musics are playing. I guess this is why the CWA gave them a 'naughty and nice'.


28 posted on 12/11/2005 1:49:45 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: mnehrling
There was a most clear and definite collusion amongst some retailers to drop the Merry Christmas and religious acknowledgement of Christmas - THIS was the year where they thought they could do it. I mean, what are the odds that all these companies would attempt to do it in the same year?

I suspect some of these progressive-leaning retailers wanted to do it for awhile now. They figured the time was right this year and did not expect much public backlash. Meanwhile another category of retailers, who perhaps caught wind of their plans, decided to implement the same policies so they wern't left out as the only ones doing it (you know, ACLU intimidation related)

29 posted on 12/11/2005 2:16:45 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: NYer
From the article: "[A] first Christmas list showing which businesses are honouring the Reason for the Season (the birth of Jesus), which ones are not, and which have mixed records. "

"It first lists the corporations ‘Nice’ or friendly to the Original Christmas tradition."

What kind of tripe is this? Guess what -- the "reason for the season" (a cutesy hint that the article and the "list" are nothing more than adolescent idiocy) has nothing to do with retail sales or shopping at malls.

For crying out loud people, go to church (unless, of course, you're a member of one of the "big box" churches that decided to close on Christmas day, a rather ironic twist to this year's bashing of businesses for not honoring the "true spirit of Christmas").

Business is business. Retail stores will do whatever is necessary to attract the most customers -- whether that's posting "happy holidays" signs or "Merry Christmas" signs. I hate to break it to you, but they really don't give a flip about your religious convictions. They just want your money.

The very notion that you're going to find the "original Christmas tradition" or "the reason for the season" in a Target or a Walmart or any other retail store is so patently ridiculous it's embarrassing to even see it on this forum.

30 posted on 12/11/2005 2:38:29 PM PST by atlaw
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To: right-wingin_It
There was a most clear and definite collusion amongst some retailers to drop the Merry Christmas and religious acknowledgement of Christmas - THIS was the year where they thought they could do it.

Oh brother. A conspiracy amongst retailers that is designed, I suppose, to lessen their sales. Get a grip.

I suspect some of these progressive-leaning retailers wanted to do it for awhile now. They figured the time was right this year and did not expect much public backlash.

I'm willing to venture a guess that retailers are actually catering to a big backlash base of customers who are both flabbergasted by, and a little pissed off at, the morons who insist that "happy holidays" is an insult and that the "true meaning of Christmas" can be found on the racks of plastic piffle in a discount store.

31 posted on 12/11/2005 2:59:04 PM PST by atlaw
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To: NYer
Just outside the local supermarket today, there was a Salvation Army bell ringer. When I dropped some change into the pot, he wished me a "Happy Holiday". A woman crossing the parking lot shot him a glare and said . . . "it's 'Merry Christmas', not 'Happy Holiday'". It seems people are getting serious about this. Good!

My, my. It's come to this, has it. Glaring at the infidels, and announcing that "everybody better celebrate the holidays my way or shut the hell up." The Christmas spirit lives.

32 posted on 12/11/2005 3:15:30 PM PST by atlaw
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To: milford421
On the Border, Friday's, Olive Garden? - Alternatives to Outback, Applebees, RedLobster -

This one doesn't make sense to me, since Olive Garden and Red Lobster have the same parent company.

And you couldn't pay me to step into a Friday's.
33 posted on 12/11/2005 3:22:15 PM PST by birbear (Admit it. you clicked on the "I have already previewed" button without actually previewing the post.)
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To: right-wingin_It
THIS was the year where they thought they could do it. I mean, what are the odds that all these companies would attempt to do it in the same year?

Actually, this has been happening for over a decade, it's only this year that it has received the national attention to the extent that 'X-Mas' did in 89. If you check Archive.org and look at most retailer's sites in December as far as archive has it, you will see they have been fairly consistent with Happy Holidays versus Christmas.
34 posted on 12/11/2005 4:00:59 PM PST by mnehring (Peace Activism is an Oxymoron.)
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To: atlaw

Thanks, I think I just found my new tag line!!


35 posted on 12/11/2005 4:01:57 PM PST by mnehring ("Everybody better celebrate the holidays my way or shut the hell up." The Christmas spirit lives.)
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To: doug from upland
http://www.target.com/salvationarmy

Somewhat of a change but not sure if they are allowing the bell ringers back yet.
36 posted on 12/11/2005 4:30:12 PM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: atlaw
Let me first establish to you that I'm not talking about bout where the true meaning of Christmas can be found (that's on some other thread). Now, this IS a POLITICAL blogsite, is it not? The politics of the day happens to be that retailers have altered their policies regarding Christmas greetings, displays, and advertisements. It's also pretty common now to see corporations supporting anti-Christian and anti-family causes and organizations. The question is whether or not these changes made in the retail stores are part of this broader trend. That's the discussion and I don't think my view is unbalanced.

The bottom line is those "morons" you mention happen to have a point here about whats going on politically. Deal with it.

37 posted on 12/11/2005 8:34:55 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: mnehrling

And I was pissed off in '89 too...so what.


38 posted on 12/11/2005 8:37:24 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: mnehrling
Actually, this has been happening for over a decade, it's only this year that it has received the national attention to the extent that 'X-Mas' did in 89. If you check Archive.org and look at most retailer's sites in December as far as archive has it, you will see they have been fairly consistent with Happy Holidays versus Christmas.

And I was pissed off in '89 too...so what.

39 posted on 12/11/2005 8:38:17 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: birbear

"This one doesn't make sense to me, since Olive Garden and Red Lobster have the same parent company."

Another poster pointed out that different stores have different policies. The poster stated that the restaurants visited wished customers Merry Christmas, and displayed Christmas signs. My own personal experience with both eateries has been positive.



40 posted on 12/12/2005 3:08:52 AM PST by milford421
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To: right-wingin_It
The bottom line is those "morons" you mention happen to have a point here about whats going on politically. Deal with it.

Yes master. I have learned my Orwellian lesson -- if I do not say what you tell me I must say at this time of year, then I am persecuting you. (See: Re-Definition of Persecution, New Political Dictionary of the Reactionary Fundamentalists.)

Of course, the Jews and other such worthless whatnots who happen to be running their own private businesses or otherwise celebrating something other than Christmas might not be so compliant. But with sufficient pressure, I'm sure that over time they can be forced to either say Merry Christmas or keep their mouths shut.

41 posted on 12/12/2005 5:14:21 AM PST by atlaw
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To: right-wingin_It
The interesting thing about the 89 scandal is that the X in Christmas wasn't meant to 'X Christ out of Christmas' as Pat Robertson put it but it was a legitmate Latin spelling of Christ. I remember a lot of people had egg on their face over that, jumping to the wrong conclusion.
42 posted on 12/12/2005 6:36:33 AM PST by mnehring ("Everybody better celebrate the holidays my way or shut the hell up." The Christmas spirit lives.)
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To: atlaw
Of course, the Jews and other such worthless whatnots who happen to be running their own private businesses or otherwise celebrating something other than Christmas might not be so compliant. But with sufficient pressure, I'm sure that over time they can be forced to either say Merry Christmas or keep their mouths shut.

Huhh?? Most people who are raising the issue of "Merry Christmas" also welcome the "Happy Hanukka" too. What they object to is the artificial substitute of "Happy Holidays" thats given. Now of course, there being like 10:1 Christians to Jews in the country one would then happen to hear "Merry Christmas" more often than "Happy Hannuka" but reasonable people would agree that that's nobodys fault.

Of course the issue with Christians is much broader than a deletion of "Merry Christmas" in retail chains. There has been for some time now a consistant full frontal assault from the ACLU that we've been dealing with in public and private institutions at many levels. So yeah, sensativities are also running high and for good reason.

43 posted on 12/12/2005 7:40:50 AM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: right-wingin_It
Most people who are raising the issue of "Merry Christmas" also welcome the "Happy Hanukka" too. What they object to is the artificial substitute of "Happy Holidays" thats given. Now of course, there being like 10:1 Christians to Jews in the country one would then happen to hear "Merry Christmas" more often than "Happy Hannuka" but reasonable people would agree that that's nobodys fault.

Right. I gotcha. Nobody's allowed to say "happy holidays."

So that I'm clear on the new free speech restrictions, and so that I don't get crosswise with a member of the persecuted majority, I've take the liberty of summarizing the new behavioral rules below. Please correct as needed:

(1) Anybody who now wants to extend to another a seasonal greeting must, in advance, ascertain the recipient's preferred celebration and style of greeting.

(2) If the preferred celebration and style of greeting cannot be ascertained, one may extend a greeting only if reference is made to all known seasonal celebrations, and only if all known styles of seasonal greeting are verbally expressed.

(3) If method (2) is employed in the extension of a seasonal greeting, a disclaimer must be included that (a) celebrations listed in the greeting are those currently known to the greeter; (b) celebrations unknown by the greeter should be inferred by the greetee as included by implication in the greeting; and (c) any previously unknown celebrations made known to the greeter by the greetee will be duly incorporated in all of the greeter's future method (2) greetings.

(4) For business entities wishing to attract seasonal customers, permitted signage must include a listing of all seasonal celebrations and methods of seasonal greeting (with the express exception of "happy holidays," which is hereafter forbidden speech). Business entities will be expected to know all such celebrations and styles of greeting, and therefore the personal greeting disclaimer exception contained in paragraph (3) will be inapplicable. Failure to list any seasonal celebration or style of greeting in business signage will be grounds for business forfeiture.

(5) Method (4) business signage must list all seasonal celebrations and styles of greeting in descending order according to percentages of customer base participation, subject to immediate modification to give listing priority to any group of celebrants that complains about its position on the list.

(6) The only exception to the foregoing is the employment of no seasonal greeting whatsoever.

I think that covers it (although I would like to know whether I am also required to physically silence those who disobey the foregoing rules-of-speech, or whether I can just ignore the "happy holidayers"?)

44 posted on 12/12/2005 9:49:20 AM PST by atlaw
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To: NYer; All
FWIW...

I just came back from a visit to Sam's Club (and Wal Mart is right next door). Sam's Club, had Salvation Army bell ringer and was playing traditional Christmas songs. ("Hark the Herald," "Jingle Bells," "Silent Night," etc.)
45 posted on 12/12/2005 12:34:07 PM PST by birbear (Admit it. you clicked on the "I have already previewed" button without actually previewing the post.)
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To: doug from upland

I was at Target last night.

The cashier ended my transaction with a "Come back soon"

I asked her to wish me a Merry Christmas. She giggled and then wished me a Merry Christmas.


46 posted on 12/12/2005 12:45:31 PM PST by kidd
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To: kidd

Thanks for sharing that.


47 posted on 12/12/2005 12:47:26 PM PST by doug from upland (The troops will come home when the mission is complete)
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To: right-wingin_It

The Wal Mart I use has no Christmas signs, only Home for the Holidays signs every where. Also, the cashiers and greeters will only say Seasons Greeting, although, once in a while someone will say Merry Christmas. The Wal Mart down the road about 8 miles has forbidden the employees to wish anyone Merry Chrismtas. I guess its goes by location.


48 posted on 12/12/2005 5:51:43 PM PST by Momma Lou
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To: NYer

Target just had a commercial that ended with Merry Christmas.


49 posted on 12/12/2005 8:19:40 PM PST by buckeye4bush (buckeye4bush)
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To: Momma Lou

Yeah you are probably right. But then again, the people who said "Merry Christmas" to me when I went there were actually the Salvation Army ringing the bell in front of the store and so not Wal-Mart. But hey, at least Wal-Mart lets them ring the bell for their charity, as I understand Target does not do that.....No, instead Target donates to the lib feminist anti-family anti-christian charities. (I don't shop at Target and never will.)


50 posted on 12/12/2005 10:39:13 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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