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Key Brain Regulatory Gene Shows Evolution In Humans
BioresearchOnline ^ | 12/13/05 | Duke University

Posted on 12/14/2005 6:26:00 AM PST by Dichroic

Durham, NC - Researchers have discovered the first brain regulatory gene that shows clear evidence of evolution from lower primates to humans. They said the evolution of humans might well have depended in part on hyperactivation of the gene, called prodynorphin (PDYN), that plays critical roles in regulating perception, behavior and memory.

They reported that, compared to lower primates, humans possess a distinctive variant in a regulatory segment of the prodynorphin gene, which is a precursor molecule for a range of regulatory proteins called "neuropeptides." This variant increases the amount of prodynorphin produced in the brain.

While the researchers do not understand the physiological implications of the activated PDYN gene in humans, they said their finding offers an important and intriguing piece of a puzzle of the mechanism by which humans evolved from lower primates

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To: VadeRetro

I think he was talking about race rather than species


21 posted on 12/14/2005 8:46:51 AM PST by bobdsmith
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To: VadeRetro
From here about halfway down the page:

Me: Gould has said the same many times. He and Lewontin were hard lefties.

INTERVIEW WITH RICHARD LEWONTIN

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Richard Lewontin, Alexander Agassiz Professor Emeritus of Zoology at Harvard University, is one of the world's most eminent authorities on human diversity. He has written many celebrated books on evolution and human variation books including Human Diversity, Not in Our Genes and most recently, The Triple Helix.

Does racial difference exist on a genetic level?

Peoples who have occupied major geographical areas for much of the recent evolution of humans look different from one another. Sub-Saharan Africans have dark skin and people who live in East Asia tend to have a light tan skin and an eye color and eye shape and hair that is different than Europeans. So there is this kind of genetic - it is genetic - differentiation of some features of the body between people who live in Central Asia, Africa, Europe, North America, and South America.

And those features, which are geographically determined, were used to erect notions of different races. There's the African race, the Black race, the Yellow race, the Red race, the Brown race, and the White race. And it's mostly skin color plus hair shape and eye shape and so on. That's the everyday observation, that "they" all look alike - and we all look different.

The real question is not whether those differences in skin color and hair form are genetic, because they are. We know that because the children of black slaves brought to North America were the same color as their parents were. The question is what else does that tell us about biological differences? How much difference in other genes beside the genes that are relevant to skin color is there between these major geographical groups?

If we want to use the notion of race in a sensible, biological way, we could only do that if there really were a lot of genetic difference between those groups aside from the superficial differences that we can see. And that's an important issue which we now understand. We understand it because over the years a lot of data were gathered by anthropologists and geneticists looking at blood group genes and protein genes and other kinds of genes from all over the world. Anthropologists just went around taking blood out of everybody.

I must say, if I were a South American Indian, I wouldn't have let them take my blood, but they did. And one of the consequences of that is by the early 1970s, we had a huge amount of information about the different genetic forms all over the world for a large number of genes that had no relevance to those outward manifestations like skin color, but had to do with blood type and proteins.

And when you brought all that together, it became pretty clear that there really were minor differences in the frequencies of the different gene forms between the major geographical so-called races.

Since the 20th century, it's been recognized that there's what's called polymorphism of blood type. There are type As and type Bs and type Os and Rh-positive and Rh-negative and so on in every group in the world. But the assumption was that people in Africa would have a very different relative frequency of A and B and O than people would in North America or in Europe and in Asia.

And what all these studies showed was that that wasn't true. That you couldn't really tell the difference between an African population and a European population and an Asian population by looking at the frequency, the relative proportions of the different blood types. They were essentially the same in all these groups.

That isn't true for every blood type. There are occasional types which are strongly differentiated between populations. There's one blood type called the Duffy blood type and that's very different between Asians, Africans, and Europeans. But that's an exception rather than a rule.

For almost every gene we know, either everybody in the world has the same form of the gene, in which case all human beings are the same, or if there's variation, the frequencies of the different variants are the same relatively speaking, close to the same, in Africans, Asians, North Americans, Austro-Asians, and so on. And only about - well, I estimated 7% of all of human genetic variation could be ascribed to differences between groups, between major races. Anyway, about 75% of all the genes [come in only one form and] are identical in everybody. So there's very little differentiation.

22 posted on 12/14/2005 8:51:21 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: Pharmboy
What Lewontin said is still true and not contradicted by anything in the lead article. What are you claiming in calling him and Gould liars?

There is an underlying basis of commonality among human populations regardless of race. You might as well say there are short people and tall people everywhere. In fact, humans don't have much genetic diversity compared with most animal species. Recent genetic bottlenecks, the last perhaps 70,000 years ago corresponding to a particularly large volcanic event.

We have isolated genetic differences that correlate with details of ethnicity, but most of them are minor in scope and effect. This does not mean we still don't all have backbones.

Again, what are you claiming? What was a lie? What is discredited? What is contradicted by the article?

23 posted on 12/14/2005 9:03:45 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Pharmboy
You know, if you read the lead article carefully instead of looking for isolated "gotcha" soundbites, it is very much affirming Lewontin's view of genetics. Changes to a few regulatory genes produce drastic effects, leaving much of the genome conserved in working order. Much more of the story is in the regulatory genes than in the proteins themselves.

Neither Lewontin nor Gould discovered this stuff. They may have acted as popularizers and may have used the material to scoff at racism, but that should be OK. The scientific basis is well established by now. This article is just another bit of evidence for a picture that's been building for decades. And we wouldn't want anyone to think the theory of evolution is racist.

24 posted on 12/14/2005 9:17:03 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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25 posted on 12/14/2005 9:29:22 AM PST by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: VadeRetro
"Gotcha" soundbites? Please...This was a huge part of their anti-genetic, left-wing driven, Lysenkoist agenda. As a matter of fact, back in the 80s I debated Gould about just this subject and said to him then that I thought the most variation would be found in the regualtory genes. I was right and he was wrong.

I do not have much patience for people who subvert science for their personal political agendas no matter where they come from on the political spectrum.

26 posted on 12/14/2005 9:48:46 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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Well pung, me lad.


27 posted on 12/14/2005 9:57:23 AM PST by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: Elpasser

[Since when did speculation start being passed off for science?]


Speculation is but one ingredient of science.

It is followed by questioning, hypothesizing, experimenting and analyzing.


28 posted on 12/14/2005 10:26:54 AM PST by spinestein (All journalists today are paid advocates for someone's agenda.)
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To: Pharmboy

[This was a huge part of their anti-genetic, left-wing driven, Lysenkoist agenda.]



Are you refering to S.J. Gould as an anti-genetic Lysenkoist?

If so, all I can say is "Wow".


29 posted on 12/14/2005 10:32:19 AM PST by spinestein (All journalists today are paid advocates for someone's agenda.)
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To: spinestein
Indeed, he was absolutely guilty of the same nonsense as Lysenko! For example, because of his lefty agendas, he fought tooth and nail to decouple genetic influence on human intelligence, a preposterous position for anyone familiar with biology and anthropology to even the slightest degree. He even wrote a book called The Mismeasure of Man which used a straw man (19th Century "science") to taint the whole study of intelligence.
30 posted on 12/14/2005 12:51:19 PM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: Pharmboy
As a matter of fact, back in the 80s I debated Gould about just this subject and said to him then that I thought the most variation would be found in the regualtory genes. I was right and he was wrong.

Should I have heard of you? You seem much too ignorant and prone to wild misspeaking to be debating Gould about anything.

31 posted on 12/14/2005 3:01:11 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Pharmboy
Of all the writings of Gould that I've read, including "The Mismeasure of Man", I've never seen anything which could be interpreted as Lysenkoism or as a decoupling of genetic influence on human intelligence.

What I have seen is his criticism of the idea of a strictly deterministic source for human intelligence and of the idea that individual people could be lumped together by race as a scientifically valid way to estimate their intelligence.

I've spent some time over the past few hours finding and reading articles critical of Gould and his writing and one thing seems most prominent: they all criticize his leftist bias and hence his motivations, saying his desire to bring about social change makes him a poor scientist and invalidates his work.

This very well credentialed critic seems to illustrate this best and even compares Gould to Lysenko (which is absurd, like comparing an unpopular president like Jimmy Carter to Hitler).

http://www.cpsimoes.net/artigos/art_davis.html

Many well known popularizers of science bring a social and political bias with them (Sagan, Attenborough, Leakey, Goodall, and especially Einstein.) and that makes them popular targets for ad hominem attacks. When a scientist steps away from his lab coat and starts making statements about social or political issues it's only fair for them to expect people to attack their opinions, but a scientific opinion and an opinion about politics should be made separately and I think Gould does a more respectable job of both than his critics do.
32 posted on 12/14/2005 3:05:37 PM PST by spinestein (All journalists today are paid advocates for someone's agenda.)
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To: spinestein
"(which is absurd, like comparing an unpopular president like Jimmy Carter to Hitler)."

The proper analogue for Carter is Neville Chamberlain. Is there a dictator he HASN'T appeased?
33 posted on 12/14/2005 5:41:35 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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I agree. That would be an accurate comparison.


34 posted on 12/14/2005 5:54:36 PM PST by spinestein (All journalists today are paid advocates for someone's agenda.)
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To: Dichroic
[Researchers] said the evolution of humans might well have depended in part on hyperactivation of the gene, called prodynorphin (PDYN)....

"Might well...might well...."

More delusions of grandeur from the evo-philes that some way they may play "God" with enough crayons and coloring books.

35 posted on 12/14/2005 6:01:50 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: VadeRetro

Well, as ignorant as I am and as rude as you are, I was right and Gould was wrong...about a lot (as I suspect you are too). Pity.


36 posted on 12/14/2005 6:24:39 PM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: spinestein
Perhaps I should have been more clear: Gould (and anyone else) may speak to any political beliefs they want to. My problem is when scientists misrepresent science in the service of their agendas, and with Gould it was Marxism (as it is with Lewontin).

What aggregate data shows us about abilities of groups does nothing to predict an individual's performance whatever group s/he belongs to. That is a truism. Another truism is that the totality of evidence shows that genetics plays a significant part in the determination of many behavioral traits, including what we call general intelligence (eg., monozygotic twins reared apart, intelligence tests consistent from an early age, consistency of group intelligence tests), and this is what Gould fought against. When I met him and debated him in the 1980s, he acknowledged a small genetic component to intelligence, but felt that environment was the key. This--to me--is Lysenkoism updated and a bit compromised, but Lysenkoism nonetheless. He was a "scientist" who placed ideology above science, and a self-appointed spokesman for science, to me, an unforgivable combination.

He was a polemicist who, through half-truths and misrepresentations attempted to give credence to his collectivist mentality. May he RIP.

37 posted on 12/14/2005 6:42:31 PM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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When I met him and debated him in the 1980s, he acknowledged a small genetic component to intelligence, but felt that environment was the key. This--to me--is Lysenkoism updated and a bit compromised, but Lysenkoism nonetheless.

The nature-nurture debate is about how much of who we are comes from genetics and how much from environment. Lysenkoism, a form of Lamarckism, is a belief that "nurture" characteristics are passed to offspring. That is, "nurture" in one generation becomes "nature."

Didn't know that?

I suspect that if you debated Gould, you claimed he dented your fender.

38 posted on 12/14/2005 6:50:37 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro
You're not only rude, you're an IDIOT.

Lysenkoism was a campaign against genetics and geneticists which happened in the Soviet Union from the middle of the 1930s to the middle of the 1960s, centered around the figure of Trofim Denisovich Lysenko. In a broader context, Lysenkoism is often invoked to imply the overt subversion of science by political forces.

Who CARES what theories Lysenko invoked to put his idiocy forth? It is about the environment as key, and the minimization of genetics. The same goes for Gould, and, evidently, you.

39 posted on 12/14/2005 7:00:28 PM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: Elpasser
Anytime someone says "might," it is equally true that it might NOT.

The Earth might continue to orbit the sun for the next year.

40 posted on 12/14/2005 7:12:29 PM PST by ThinkDifferent (I am a leaf on the wind)
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