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US Intelligence Expert: Regime-Change the Answer in Iran
Iran va Jahan ^
| December 13, 2005
Posted on 12/15/2005 2:48:58 AM PST by F14 Pilot
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posted on
12/15/2005 2:49:00 AM PST
by
F14 Pilot
To: F14 Pilot
ticking. . one, two, three
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posted on
12/15/2005 2:51:12 AM PST
by
i_dont_chat
(Houston, TX)
To: F14 Pilot
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posted on
12/15/2005 2:53:12 AM PST
by
expatguy
(http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
To: i_dont_chat
The drums of war have started..
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posted on
12/15/2005 2:53:18 AM PST
by
Liberfighter
(A half truth is a whole lie)
To: F14 Pilot
Loftus is an idiot.
By the same argument, we didn't need to invade Germany. All we had to do was precipitate "regime change."
Both arguments are accurate, but the problem is implementing the strategy.
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posted on
12/15/2005 2:58:09 AM PST
by
Restorer
(Islamists want to die. We want to kill them.)
To: F14 Pilot
"...many underneath residential neighborhoods and Islamic shrines. These are not places we can bomb...[sic]"
Politically correct insanity.
We CAN bomb these places if they are being used to hide or conceal military targets.
The resolve to defend ourselves is what we seem to be lacking.
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"But we found that 83% of the Iranian urban population hates the mullahs and don't want to grow up under a dictatorship. Most of the country is young and wants music videos and TV and not the mullahs.""
Not to be confused with "We are willing to die for our freedom"
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posted on
12/15/2005 3:00:44 AM PST
by
expatguy
(http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
To: F14 Pilot
"There are over 360 separate targets inside Iran that have been identified. Most of them are non-vulnerable many underneath residential neighborhoods and Islamic shrines. These are not places we can bomb. The Iranians were paying attention when Iraq's reactor was bombed and have learned the lessons." I do not care about Islamic shrines, but simple well buildt bunkers will be a severe problem to any air strike. Also the decentral targets will make everything extremely difficult.
This guy is right. The best alternative would be a blow from inside. We should help the Iranians in Iran to kill their theocracy and their contemporary gouvernment by themselves.
To: F14 Pilot
$500 per barrel=$20 per gallon
To: F14 Pilot
The Bush administration is hoping that, ironically with [French [President] Jacques] Chirac's help, UN pressure will cause a regime-change in Syria. That the [UN's] Mehlis investigation [examining the Syrian governments connection to the assassination of former Lebanese PM Rafik Hariri] is going to come down hard and heavy. Oh, yeah, let's hope that the UN does something.
Since they have such a good track record...
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posted on
12/15/2005 3:05:21 AM PST
by
Izzy Dunne
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To: F14 Pilot
combat radius of about 2,200 kilometers and you would need about 3,000 to hit the hard targets in Iran...
What if you add one of these?
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posted on
12/15/2005 3:05:58 AM PST
by
Samurai_Jack
(ride out and confront the evil!)
To: Restorer
By the same argument, we didn't need to invade Germany. All we had to do was precipitate "regime change." This is the point. To move something there you would need "boots on the ground". Bombing will not solve the problem. The question is if your gouvernment has the will to do such an invasion since they are the only nation that would have the resources to do this. Israel itselves is far too weak and too small to invade a country like Iran over such a long distance.
To: F14 Pilot
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posted on
12/15/2005 3:07:40 AM PST
by
expatguy
(http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
To: Restorer
re :By the same argument, we didn't need to invade Germany. All we had to do was precipitate "regime change." .
And there were many attempts to do this, the reason we had to invade in the end was because there was no viable alternative to the Nazis we could deal with.
By 1942 we had stopped trying to enable regime change through the German Office corp, each attempt had ended in disaster
To: F14 Pilot
From this article:
intelligence expert John Loftus says that Israel is unable to thwart Iran's nuclear projects through military action It would seem that Israel has a different opinion...
From another article:
Thank God, Israel has the means at its disposal to bring about the downfall of this extremist regime in Iran. There will be no second 'final solution'," Sharon's spokesman Raanan Gissin said.
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posted on
12/15/2005 3:09:28 AM PST
by
Izzy Dunne
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To: F14 Pilot
They be a whoooole lota wishful thinkin' goin' on heuh.
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posted on
12/15/2005 3:20:43 AM PST
by
libertylover
(Abortion is a crime against humanity.)
To: F14 Pilot
Israel doesnt understand the word "cant." Not too smart to underestimate their ability to strike any time and any place.
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posted on
12/15/2005 3:29:07 AM PST
by
armydawg1
(" America must win this war..." PVT Martin Treptow, KIA, WW1)
To: F14 Pilot
Singer asked Loftus why US fighter jets do not bomb Iranian nuclear targets on their own from aircraft carriers in the region.
"That's a real good question that has been carefully studied," Loftus answered. "There are over 360 separate targets inside Iran that have been identified. Most of them are non-vulnerable many underneath residential neighborhoods and Islamic shrines. These are not places we can bomb...
Deliberately placing such facilities in residential areas or near religious site does not exempt them from attack.
If the United Staes ultimately decides to do the deed, the target's location is not going to be a problem except for the Iranians who will be trying to figure out how to get the He*l away from these areas.
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posted on
12/15/2005 3:44:14 AM PST
by
Captain Rhino
(If you will just abandon logic, these things will make a lot more sense!)
To: Captain Rhino
If the United States ultimately decides to do the deed, the target's location is not going to be a problem except for the Iranians who will be trying to figure out how to get the He*l away from these areas.
This means we'll need to telegraph our intentions to avoid a massive death toll. Let's hope we don't play our hand too soon and give the Mullahs a chance to respond.
To: F14 Pilot
He's got the main idea right.(the rest is crap) We need to "affect a regime-change".
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posted on
12/15/2005 4:26:11 AM PST
by
nuconvert
(No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
To: F14 Pilot
"Ninety percent of Iran's economy is based on oil exports so a blockade of as little as three weeks can cause their economy to collapse, the people to rise up and the mullahs to be overthrown. Iraq's economy under Saddam was almost entirely based on oil exports. They were cut off for more than 10 years, the economy collapsed, and Saddam remained in power. Why should we believe that it would be different in Iran?
Not to mention that the economies of Japan, China, India and Western Europe are all dependent on Iranian oil. What do you expect them to be doing while we're cutting off their oil supply?
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