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CHRIS MATTHEWS: 'BUSH BELONGS ON MOUNT RUSHMORE' IF WINS 'GREATEST GAMBLE SINCE FDR BACKED BRITS'
Hardball with Chris Matthews ^ | 12.18.05 | Mia T

Posted on 12/18/2005 9:00:39 AM PST by Mia T

CHRIS MATTHEWS: 'BUSH BELONGS ON MOUNT RUSHMORE'
IF HE WINS 'GREATEST GAMBLE SINCE ROOSEVELT BACKED BRITAIN BEFORE WWII'

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WHY DID BILL CLINTON IGNORE TERRORISM?
Was it simply the constraints of his liberal mindset, or was it something even more threatening to our national security?

by Mia T, 8.18.05

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thanx to jla and Wolverine for the audio

"Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan. He was expelled from Saudi Arabia in '91 and he went to the Sudan.

We'd been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start dealing with them again. They released him [bin Laden].

At the time, '96, he had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America.

So I pleaded with the Saudis to take him, 'cause they could have; but they thought it was a hot potato. They didn't and that's how he wound up in Afghanistan."

bill clinton
Sunday, Aug. 11, 2002
Clinton Reveals on Secret Audio:
I Nixed Bin Laden Extradition Offer



"I remember exactly what happened. Bruce Lindsey said to me on the phone, 'My God, a second plane has hit the tower.' And I said, 'Bin Laden did this.' that's the first thing I said. He said, 'How can you be sure?' I said 'Because only bin Laden and the Iranians could set up the network to do this and they [the Iranians] wouldn't do it because they have a country in targets. Bin Laden did it.'

I thought that my virtual obsession with him was well placed and I was full of regret that I didn't get him.

bill clinton
Sunday, Sept 3, 2002
Larry King Live


COPYRIGHT MIA T 2005

 

A CALL TO IMPEACH CLINTON IN ABSENTIA



by Mia T, 11.17.05


 

 

 

 





id you see it? More to the point, did the American press?

bill clinton made page one of Al Jazeera today. A schizophrenic mix of schadenfreude and agitprop, it was the story of an impeached ex-president of America trashing America--to standing Os--in the Arab state of Dubai--in the middle of a war zone--only several hundred miles from the American troops--American troops protecting his--and his missus'--seditious and cowardly collective _ _ _.

And, to rub it in, the traitor pocketed no less than $200,000 from the enemy for his troubles.

Having failed to snare the Nobel Peace Prize by ignoring terrorism, clinton has apparently decided to intensify his America-bashing on foreign soil, the method employed by Jimmy Carter to great (if somewhat belated) effect.

(The Nobel committee, sufficiently mollified only after 24 years of the peanut president's America-bashing, awarded Carter his 1978 Peace Prize finally in 2002.)

Meanwhile, back in the Senate, the missus, the other half of the clinton construct, maintains her hawkish pose (although not without bird problems of another sort).

Yet another example of the clinton conflation ploy, (see SCHEMA PINOCCHIO: how the clintons are handling the hillary dud factor), this variant allows "clinton, the construct" to hold two mutually exclusive positions simultaneously, thereby enabling the missus to avoid in '08 the trap that repeatedly ensnared the ever 'nuanced' Kerry in '04.

Do you now understand how stupid the clintons think you are?

 

I M P E A C H M E N T
h e a r --c l i n t o n --l o s e --i t



by Mia T, 11.11.05

This legacy confab is in and of itself proof certain of clinton's deeply flawed character, and a demonstration in real time of the way in which the clinton years were about a legacy that was incidentally a presidency.

Madeleine Albright captured the essence of this dysfunctional presidency best when she explained why clinton couldn't go after bin Laden.

According to Richard Miniter, the Albright revelation occurred at the cabinet meeting that would decide the disposition of the USS Cole bombing by al Qaeda [that is to say, that would decide to do what it had always done when a "bimbo" was not spilling the beans on the clintons: Nothing]. Only Clarke wanted to retaliate militarily for this unambiguous act of war.

Albright explained that a [sham] Mideast accord would yield [if not peace for the principals, surely] a Nobel Peace Prize for clinton. Kill or capture bin Laden and clinton could kiss the 'accord' and the Peace Prize good-bye.

If clinton liberalism, smallness, cowardice, corruption, perfidy--and, to borrow a phrase from Andrew Cuomo, clinton cluelessness--played a part, it was, in the end, the Nobel Peace Prize that produced the puerile pertinacity that enabled the clintons to shrug off terrorism's global danger.

COMPLETE ARTICLE


C-SPAN asked noted presidential historians to rank the American presidents1 along the following ten dimensions: public persuasion, crisis leadership, economic management, moral authority, international relations, administrative skills, relations with congress, vision/setting an agenda, pursued equal justice for all, and performance within context of times.

bill clinton emerged as middling in most dimensions; he was surpassed in others by a settled mediocrity (Carter) and a putative failure (Nixon). In moral authority, bill clinton was rated dead last.2 He did fairly well in public persuasion, not a surprising finding given the volume of snake oil he managed to peddle during his putative presidency.

"It's NOT the economy, stupid!"

Clinton's best scores were on the economic management and pursued equal justice for all dimensions. However, both of these results are meaningful only insofar as they redound to the moral authority dimension: they are wholly based on clinton fraudulence, cooked books and black poses, respectively; and clinton's shameless Rosa Parks eulogy last week assured us that the insidious brand of clinton racism is alive and well during these tiptoe years of what the clintons hope will be their interregnum.

Note that although Brinkley doesn't place much importance on the economic management dimension--he argues that the economy variable is not durable over time--he fails to recognize that the evaluation of the clinton economy by the historians is erroneous to begin with.

Note also that C-SPAN historians found no evidence of clinton "greatness" irrespective of his moral-authority deficit, contrary to Douglas Brinkley's claim made at the clinton revisionist confab3.

(NOTE: My later research has revealed that Brinkley's qualified mention of clinton "greatness" was not a claim but rather a polite guest's white lie about an abject loser. Instead of taking the AP report at face value, one must carefully parse Brinkley's actual words and especially note the subjunctive construction.)

MIDDLING


Twenty presidents rank higher than bill clinton and 20 rank lower. But this placement assumes equal weight for each of the dimensions. And therein lies the flaw.

If 9/11 taught us anything, it is that presidential character and moral authority count, and count most.4 If the variables are properly weighted, bill clinton will always come out dead last.

That is, unless Americans are dumb enough to make the same mistake twice.

Mia T, 11.10.05
Historian massages clinton numbers, ego + legacy at revisionist confab
C-SPAN historians find no clinton "greatness" irrespective of moral-authority deficit

 

 

IT TAKES A CLINTON TO RAZE A COUNTRY
by Mia T, 11.14.05

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COPYRIGHT MIA T 2004


December 7, 1941+64

AN OPEN LETTER TO TIM ROBBINS, DAVID GEFFEN, CHRIS MATTHEWS, MAUREEN DOWD + JEANINE PIRRO

RE: a not-so-modest proposal concerning hillary clinton



Dear Concerned Americans,

Hillary Clinton's revisionist tome notwithstanding, 'living history' begets a certain symmetry. It is in that light that I make this not-so-modest proposal on this day, exactly 64 years after the attack on Pearl Harbor.

The context of our concern today--regardless of political affiliation--is Iraq and The War on Terror, but the larger fear is that our democracy may not survive.

We have the requisite machines, power and know-how to defeat the enemy in Iraq and elsewhere, but do we have the will?

In particular, do we have the will to identify and defeat the enemy in our midst?

Answerable to no one, heir apparent in her own mind, self-serving in the extreme, Hillary Clinton incarnates this insidious new threat to our survival.

What we decide to do about Missus Clinton will tell us much about what awaits us in these perilous new times.

COMPLETE LETTER

December 7, 1941+64
Mia T
AN OPEN LETTER TO TIM ROBBINS, DAVID GEFFEN, CHRIS MATTHEWS, MAUREEN DOWD + JEANINE PIRRO
RE: a not-so-modest proposal concerning hillary clinton


COPYRIGHT MIA T 2005




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1 posted on 12/18/2005 9:00:41 AM PST by Mia T
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To: jla

ping


2 posted on 12/18/2005 9:04:44 AM PST by Mia T
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To: Mia T
I heard Chris Matthews say it. I also think Chris immediately regretted let it slip out of his Demwit mouth.
3 posted on 12/18/2005 9:04:57 AM PST by hflynn ( Soros wouldn't make any sense even if he spelled his name backwards)
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To: jla; WorkingClassFilth; Gail Wynand; Brian Allen; Wolverine; Lonesome in Massachussets; IVote2; ...

ping


4 posted on 12/18/2005 9:05:03 AM PST by Mia T
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To: Mia T
I thought that my virtual obsession with him was well placed and I was full of regret that I didn't get him.

Bill Clinton

Clinton has the blood of over 3,000 Americans on his hands and chooses to lie again and again.

5 posted on 12/18/2005 9:05:40 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: hflynn

I actually don't think so. You can replay the clip (link above). IMO, it was premeditated. Notice how he doesn't let Fineman cut in during his trashing of the Times.


6 posted on 12/18/2005 9:08:29 AM PST by Mia T
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To: Mia T

Chrissy must have been off his meds to let this slip out!


7 posted on 12/18/2005 9:11:03 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: ncountylee

bump.

All the clintons could think about were the polls and their legacy. They couldn't go after bin Laden because that would have angered the muslims and thereby kill their chances for a phony Mideast 'accord' and a Nobel.

I will have more to say about this....


8 posted on 12/18/2005 9:13:09 AM PST by Mia T
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To: Mia T

Look forward to reading that.


9 posted on 12/18/2005 9:15:21 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: hflynn
'GREATEST GAMBLE SINCE ROOSEVELT BACKED BRITAIN BEFORE WWII'

Gamble? How about doing the right thing. Supporting the Brits instead of the Nazis. Tough choice there. Another demonstration of todays democrats having no moral compass.

10 posted on 12/18/2005 9:15:22 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Mia T

11 posted on 12/18/2005 9:18:28 AM PST by Kenny Bunkport
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To: Mia T

Someday, Mia, honest historians are going to look back at these times when they are able to have some perspective. They will wonder what in the hell our country was doing while the Clintons were destroying our national security. The real legacy is there, but it may not be known to all during our lifetimes.


12 posted on 12/18/2005 9:18:35 AM PST by doug from upland (Hasta la vista, Tookie)
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To: Mia T
My view on Clinton is he was a do nothing President.

As a conservative I believe still he is responsible for most of our country's problems today.

He did nothing for our defense (Hates the military). He did nothing for our court system (Filled it with left wing nut judges). And certainly did nothing in terms of leading our country (Spent his time following polls).

He lucked out. History will show just how weak he was. It will take some time, but his day will come!
13 posted on 12/18/2005 9:19:00 AM PST by Duke Wayne
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To: Rummyfan

Actually, Matthews as a D is in perpetual conflict; he has red-state sensibilities. Also, he was at the White House with Bush the night before the program. Bush charm likely loosened him up a bit. ;)


14 posted on 12/18/2005 9:19:57 AM PST by Mia T
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To: Mia T

BTTT


15 posted on 12/18/2005 9:24:43 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Rummyfan
The 'Dims remind me of spoiled, pudgy teenagers who complain about their parents but are totally dependent on them. They need, and secretly love, the strong father-figure but can't show it.

My girl friend once told me, after my umteenth blowup with my teenage girls, "The more dependent your kids are on you the more they'll resent you."

16 posted on 12/18/2005 9:27:00 AM PST by DJtex (;)
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To: USNBandit

excellent point


17 posted on 12/18/2005 9:28:28 AM PST by Mia T
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To: Rummyfan
Chrissy must have been off his meds to let this slip out!

More like on them. Normally he is a raving lunatic.;)

18 posted on 12/18/2005 9:30:23 AM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: Mia T

Occasionally Mathews common sense comes to bare. During the 2000 fiasco I thought he was fair to Bush and even harsh to the Democrats at times.


19 posted on 12/18/2005 9:35:18 AM PST by aft_lizard (What does G-d look like then if we evolved from nothing?See Genisis Ch 1:26-27)
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To: Mia T

The idea is interesting. I've wondered how the Iraqis will mark their decision of democracy, and whether there would be a statue of President Bush placed somewhere in that country.


20 posted on 12/18/2005 9:38:35 AM PST by gotribe (Hillary: Accessory to Rape)
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To: Mia T
WHY DID BILL CLINTON IGNORE TERRORISM?

Like many conservatives I wondered why Clinton didn't invade Iraq and Afghanistan when the WTC was bombed on his watch. We would have backed him 100% had he instituted a Patriot Act and we would have had no problems had he found it necessary to bypass our secret courts to protect us from terrorism. We would have granted him the latitude of expediency, right?

21 posted on 12/18/2005 9:40:44 AM PST by KDD (A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse.)
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To: doug from upland; ncountylee; All
Lincoln said it best. Listen to Johnny Cash. Amazing....

DEBUNKING CINDY SHEEHAN
HEAR ABE LINCOLN/JOHNNY CASH + PBS' NEIL CONAN
by Mia T, 8.31.05


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"You tell me the truth. You tell me that my son died for oil. You tell me that my son died to make your friends rich. You tell me my son died to spread the cancer of Pax Americana, imperialism in the Middle East."--Cindy Sheehan

"And if you think I won't say bulls**t to the President, I say move on, cause I'll say what's on my mind."--Cindy Sheehan

 

The trusty triad's half-truths, exaggerations and outright lies, confounded by fog of war, vagaries of peace and uncharted territory of asymmetric netherworlds, remind us that things are not always what they first seem. The UN Oil-for-Food scandal, for example, has shown us it was not "going to war with Iraq" that was "all about oil," but rather, "not going to war with Iraq." The Left, we now see, had that one, (as they have most things), exactly backward.

The dernier cri of seditious and corrupt Leftists everywhere, pro-islamofascist-terrorist radical chic renders the Left, irrespective of policy, no less dangerous to Western civilization than the terrorists they aid and abet.

Mia T, 5.15.04
pro-islamofascist-terrorist radical chic
WHY THE LEFT IS DANGEROUS FOR AMERICA

 

 
"We didn't understand why the United States was there. We never thought that Iraq was an imminent threat to the United States."--Cindy Sheehan

 


"Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late. Trusting in the sanity and restraint of Saddam Hussein is not a strategy, and it is not an option."

President Bush



"He was murdered by Bush."--Cindy Sheehan

"You get that evil maniac out here, 'cause a Gold Star Mother, somebody whose blood is on his hands, has some questions for him."--Cindy Sheehan


"The biggest terrorist is George W. Bush."--Cindy Sheehan
 
"This seems to be the President's reasons for continuing the war. Because he's killed so many American soldiers already, he has to kill more and I believe that's the most insane and immoral reason for continuing the war"--Cindy Sheehan
 
 

Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field as a final resting-place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead who struggled here have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this nation under God shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.

Abraham Lincoln
"Gettysburg Address"
November 19, 1863

 
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22 posted on 12/18/2005 9:48:01 AM PST by Mia T
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To: Mia T
he has red-state sensibilities

Can you please explain what he's currently ever said/done that leaves you with that conclusion. I say current as Matthews has either changed his stripes since 2000 or isn't afraid to wear his bias on his sleeve.

23 posted on 12/18/2005 9:49:45 AM PST by StarFan
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To: Mia T
I agree with the above post. It's not a "gamble" it is called doing the right thing. That is a foreign concept to most dimocRATS and their fellow left wingers.

I also agree with Doug that history will be kind to GWB and not so good to Klintoon. Carter of course keeps making a fool of himself with his irrational statements.
24 posted on 12/18/2005 9:49:54 AM PST by Parley Baer
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To: StarFan

He comes from Philly, from a blue-collar family, his brother is or was a cop, I think. His patriotism is palpable.

As for an example: The Bush on Rushmore quote is one, and he seemed (almost) genuinely furious with the Times for "raining on Bush's parade" with the -wiretap-without-warrant retread.

Matthews' cognitive dissonance is sometimes very obvious....


25 posted on 12/18/2005 9:57:00 AM PST by Mia T
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To: Wolverine

bump


26 posted on 12/18/2005 10:00:49 AM PST by Mia T
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To: KDD
Heck, congress wouldn't even limit Al Queda soldiers' Fourth Amendment right to contact their superiors overseas for orders after the 9/11 attacks- or so some claim now.

Intermixing law and war leads to bizarre and dangerous results. It serves neither law nor war.

27 posted on 12/18/2005 10:09:00 AM PST by mrsmith
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To: Duke Wayne

He did a lot...of damage.


28 posted on 12/18/2005 10:15:03 AM PST by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: doug from upland
The real legacy is there, but it may not be known to all during our lifetimes.

Agreed...it's the shortsighted that think the negative legacy extends only to his tossing off in the Oval Office sink...

29 posted on 12/18/2005 10:19:31 AM PST by ErnBatavia (I post in slang..live with it or ignore it - reader's choice.)
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To: Mia T

Let's start! I prefer the right side.


30 posted on 12/18/2005 10:31:50 AM PST by Dave Burns
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To: doug from upland
The real legacy is there, but it may not be known to all during our lifetimes.

It took Reagan's death for for some MSM critics to admit he was right. Lucky for us, Bush is not concerned with his legacy while still in office... unlike Clinton.

31 posted on 12/18/2005 10:39:21 AM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: operation clinton cleanup

The polls don't matter. This president has Churchillian and Reaganesque vision about what must be done to protect Western Civilization. I love it when he uses the word that is hated by the left ---- evil. Evil, evil, evil.


32 posted on 12/18/2005 10:52:55 AM PST by doug from upland (Hasta la vista, Tookie)
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To: doug from upland

Haha! Evil Empire, Axis of Evil does seem to rub some people the wrong way!


33 posted on 12/18/2005 11:06:31 AM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: KDD; maica
we would have had no problems had he found it necessary to bypass our secret courts to protect us from terrorism.

Since the NY Times loved ex42, we would not have even heard about things like listening in on suspicious phone calls to Afghanastan or Iraq.

34 posted on 12/18/2005 11:10:41 AM PST by Freee-dame
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To: USNBandit

Exactly....Chris is just displaying the true nature of the average Democrat. Every thought, deed and spoken word must have a political motive. Principles, traditions and morality are not part of the equation.


35 posted on 12/18/2005 11:15:12 AM PST by Skip Ripley
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RR deserves mount rushmore more than any other unrepresented president.


36 posted on 12/18/2005 11:33:20 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: Mia T

The "click for clip" link on the Rushmore pic doesn't work

http://www.freerepublic.com/Sites/deletehillary.com%20website/rushmoreF.html


37 posted on 12/18/2005 11:40:27 AM PST by hattend (Dang, it's cold up here.)
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To: SmoothTalker

I agree.


38 posted on 12/18/2005 11:42:06 AM PST by Lady Heron
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To: SmoothTalker

The 8 years 'aint over yet!!!


39 posted on 12/18/2005 11:51:20 AM PST by logic ("All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing......")
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To: Mia T

Why does it take me a half hour to download this thread?


40 posted on 12/18/2005 11:55:26 AM PST by Fawn (http://www.stickdeath.com/bank.htm)
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To: doug from upland; Mia T

honest historians are going to look back at these times when they are able to have some perspective


BTTT


Mia T - imo, time to compile and write! ;)


41 posted on 12/18/2005 11:56:21 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: jla

sorry about the link error.


43 posted on 12/18/2005 12:08:48 PM PST by Mia T
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To: UWSrepublican

correct link to clip of matthews' Rushmore comment.


44 posted on 12/18/2005 12:09:44 PM PST by Mia T
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To: Wolverine

link correction for Bush/Mt Rushmore clip


45 posted on 12/18/2005 12:11:44 PM PST by Mia T
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To: Duke Wayne
I have asked the same question to many Clintoon lovers and no one has answered yet:

Can you name one good thing he did?

46 posted on 12/18/2005 12:13:42 PM PST by zeebee
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To: Mia T
CHRIS MATTHEWS: 'BUSH BELONGS ON MOUNT RUSHMORE' IF WINS 'GREATEST GAMBLE SINCE FDR BACKED BRITS'

Wait a minute here. Thats Reagans spot.

47 posted on 12/18/2005 12:17:39 PM PST by lowbridge (All that is needed for evil to triumph is for "RINOS" to do something)
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To: Mia T
sorry everyone. A non-unique map name is producing the same link error, i.e., is linking up to the old, erroneous link. hope this one works....

Oops. :(

correct link

Thanks hattend.



CHRIS MATTHEWS: 'BUSH BELONGS ON MOUNT RUSHMORE'
IF HE WINS 'GREATEST GAMBLE SINCE ROOSEVELT BACKED BRITAIN BEFORE WWII'


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48 posted on 12/18/2005 12:18:02 PM PST by Mia T
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To: jla; WorkingClassFilth; Gail Wynand; Brian Allen; Wolverine; Lonesome in Massachussets; IVote2; ...

sorry, everyone.


49 posted on 12/18/2005 12:20:12 PM PST by Mia T
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To: Mia T

BTTT


50 posted on 12/18/2005 12:23:25 PM PST by E.G.C.
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