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Historian massages clinton numbers, ego + legacy at revisionist confab
C-SPAN, Losing Bin Laden: How Bill Clinton's Failures Unleashed Global Terror, AP | 11.11.05 | Mia T

Posted on 11/11/2005 12:12:10 AM PST by Mia T

Douglas Brinkley massages clinton numbers, ego + legacy at (clinton-was-an-utter-failure-containment-scheme-team) revisionist confab

C-SPAN historians find no clinton "greatness" irrespective of moral-authority deficit

 


by Mia T, 11.10.05



Speaking on the opening day of a three-day conference at Hofstra University examining his presidency, Clinton challenged a statement by noted historian Douglas Brinkley, who opined that Clinton would be deemed a great president were it not for his impeachment.

Bill Clinton, at Long Island conference, calls impeachment `egregious abuse' of Constitution
FRANK ELTMAN
Associated Press Writer





clinton's ranking will likely get worse over time. Economic issues fade in importance over time. Moral issues presist and grow. (paraphrase)

Douglas Brinkley
(discussing C-SPAN PRESIDENTS POLL)
Washington Journal



 




PRESIDENTIAL FAILURE, 9/11 + KATRINA
by Mia T, 9.26.05

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-SPAN
asked noted presidential historians to rank the American presidents1 along the following ten dimensions: public persuasion, crisis leadership, economic management, moral authority, international relations, administrative skills, relations with congress, vision/setting an agenda, pursued equal justice for all, and performance within context of times.

bill clinton emerged as middling in most dimensions; he was surpassed in others by a settled mediocrity (Carter) and a putative failure (Nixon). In moral authority, bill clinton was rated dead last.2 He did fairly well in public persuasion, not a surprising finding given the volume of snake oil he managed to peddle during his presidency.

"It's the economy, stupid!"

Clinton's best scores were on the economic management and pursued equal justice for all dimensions. However, both of these results are meaningful only insofar as they redound to the moral authority dimension: they are wholly based on clinton fraudulence, cooked books and black poses, respectively; and clinton's shameless Rosa Parks eulogy last week assured us that the insidious brand of clinton racism is alive and well.

Note that although Brinkley doesn't place much importance on the economic management dimension--he argues that the economy variable is not durable over time--he fails to recognize that the evaluation of the clinton economy by the historians is erroneous to begin with.

Note also that contrary to Douglas Brinkley's claim at the clinton revisionist confab3, C-SPAN historians found no clinton "greatness" irrespective of his moral-authority deficit.

MIDDLING

Twenty presidents rank higher than bill clinton and 20 rank lower. But this placement assumes equal weight for each of the dimensions. And therein lies the flaw.

If 9/11 taught us anything, it is that presidential character and moral authority count, and count most.4 If the variables are properly weighted, bill clinton will always come out dead last.

That is, unless Americans are dumb enough to make the same mistake twice.5

deconstructing clinton… "just because I could"



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FOOL ME ONCE, SHAME ON YOU! FOOL ME TWICE, SHAME ON ME! 

 

AFTERWORD

This legacy confab, is in and of itself, proof certain of clinton's deeply flawed character, and a demonstration in real time of the way in which the clinton years were about a legacy that was incidentally a presidency. Madeleine Albright captured the essence of this dysfunctional presidency best when she explained why clinton couldn't go after bin Laden.

According to Richard Miniter, the Albright revelation occurred at the cabinet meeting that would decide the disposition of the USS Cole bombing by al Qaeda [that is to say, that would decide to do what it had always done when a "bimbo" was not spilling the beans on the clintons: Nothing]. Only Clarke wanted to retaliate militarily for this unambiguous act of war.

Albright explained that a [sham] Mideast accord would yield [if not peace for the principals, surely] a Nobel Peace Prize for clinton. Kill or capture bin Laden and clinton could kiss the accord and the Peace Prize good-bye.

If clinton liberalism, smallness, cowardice, corruption, perfidy--and, to borrow a phrase from Andrew Cuomo, clinton cluelessness--played a part, it was, in the end, the Nobel Peace Prize that produced the puerile pertinacity that enabled the clintons to shrug off the global danger.

WASHINGTON -- Two Norwegian public-relations executives and one member of the Norwegian Parliament say they were contacted by the White House to help campaign for President Clinton to receive this year's Nobel Peace Prize for his work in trying to negotiate peace in the Middle East.

Clinton Lobbies for Nobel Prize: What a Punk
White House Lobbied For Clinton Nobel Peace Prize Updated
Friday, October 13, 2000
By Rita Cosby

 

 

 

There's been speculation in the last few months that Clinton was pursuing a Mideast peace accord in an effort to win the prize and secure his legacy as president.

AIDES PUSH CLINTON FOR THE NOBEL

 

 

 

At the time, clinton observed: "I made more progress in the Middle East than I did between Socks and Buddy." Retrospectively, it is clear that clinton's characterization was not correct.

Mia T, Buddy Death Report Raises More Questions Than It Answers

 





1.



American Presidents


A Site to Complement C-SPAN's 20th Anniversary Television Series, American Presidents: Life Portraits
March-December 1999

C-SPAN Survey
of Presidential Leadership

Bill Clinton
Historian Survey Results

Categories

Final Score 
 Category Ranking

Public Persuasion

70.3
11

Crisis Leadership

50.5
20

Economic Management

74.0
5

Moral Authority

19.5
41

International Relations

54.3
21

Administrative Skills

56.1
21

Relations with Congress

38.2
36

Vision / Setting an Agenda

48.1
22

Pursued Equal Justice For All

76.7
5

Performance Within Context of Times

51.2
21


TOTAL SCORE

539

OVERALL RANK

21

      Historian Results




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American Presidents


A Site to Complement C-SPAN's 20th Anniversary Television Series, American Presidents: Life Portraits
March-December 1999
C-SPAN Survey
of Presidential Leadership

Historian Survey Results Category:
Moral Authority
Historian Results

President's Name

Final Score 
 Category Ranking
 Overall Ranking

1. George Washington

98.1
1
3

2. Abraham Lincoln

95.6
2
1

3. Theodore Roosevelt

86.9
3
4

4. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

86.0
4
2

5. Dwight D. Eisenhower

82.1
5
9

6. Woodrow Wilson

82.0
6
6

7. Harry S. Truman

74.5
7
5

8. Thomas Jefferson

74.0
8
7

9. John Adams

72.2
9
16

10. Jimmy Carter

71.2
10
22

11. Ronald Reagan

70.0
11
11

12. John Quincy Adams

69.4
12
19

13. James Madison

67.6
13
18

14. Andrew Jackson

64.4
14
13

15. John F. Kennedy

64.1
15
8

16. William McKinley

63.8
16
15

17. James Monroe

62.3
17
14

18. Groover Cleveland

61.0
18
17

19. George Bush

59.8
19
20

20. James K. Polk

57.6
20
12

21. Gerald Ford

57.0
21
23

22. William Howard Taft

56.9
22
24

23. Calvin Coolidge

55.3
23
27

24. Herbert Hoover

55.0
24
34

25. James Garfield

52.3
25
29

26. Rutherford B. Hayes

51.5
26
26

27. Zachary Taylor

51.2
27
28

28. Lyndon Baines Johnson

49.8
28
10

29. Martin Van Buren

44.6
29
30

30. Benjamin Harrison

44.1
30
31

31. Ulysses S. Grant

43.6
31
33

32. Millard Fillmore

38.9
32
35

33. Chester Arthur

38.9
33
32

34. William Henry Harrison

38.2
34
37

35. John Tyler

37.7
35
36

36. Franklin Pierce

31.0
36
39

37. Andrew Johnson

27.5
37
40

38. James Buchanan

27.1
38
41

39. Warren G. Harding

22.6
39
38

40. Richard Nixon

20.4
40
25

41. Bill Clinton

19.5
41
21


 

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Bill Clinton, at Long Island conference, calls impeachment `egregious abuse' of Constitution

 

FRANK ELTMAN
Associated Press Writer



November 10, 2005, 7:29 PM EST








HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. -- Former President Clinton said Thursday that his impeachment was "an egregious abuse of the Constitution" and asked if history judges him poorly because of his White House tryst with Monica Lewinsky, "How many other presidents do you have to downgrade?"

Speaking on the opening day of a three-day conference at Hofstra University examining his presidency, Clinton challenged a statement by noted historian Douglas Brinkley, who opined that Clinton would be deemed a great president were it not for his impeachment.

"I completely disagree with that," Clinton said. "You can agree with that statement, but only if you think impeachment was justified. Otherwise, it was an egregious abuse of the Constitution and law and history of our country."

Clinton, who was acquitted by the Senate of perjury and obstruction of justice at his 1999 impeachment trial, contended that the impeachment was not about what he called his "misconduct."

"Now if you want to hold it against me that I did something wrong, that's a fair deal," he said. "If you do that, then you have a whole lot of other questions, which is how many other presidents do you have to downgrade and what are you going to do with all those Republican congressmen, you know, that had problems?"

His remarks were cheered loudly by the audience.

In a speech that lasted more than an hour, Clinton touched on many of what he called the achievements of his eight-year presidency, citing everything from Middle East peace initiatives to turning around the U.S. economy.

Among his Democratic administration's failures, he said, were its slowness to act to stop genocide in Rwanda and the decision to allow FBI agents to raid a cult leader's compound in Waco, Texas. Nearly 80 cult followers died in a fire during the 1993 confrontation.

"We should have waited them out," Clinton said.

Former cabinet members, White House staffers and academicians converged at Hofstra for the conference, which will touch on issues including the economy, relations with Congress, the Middle East and Northern Ireland peace processes and confronting terrorism.

Those participating include former Attorney General Janet Reno, ex-Defense Secretary William Perry, former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin and advisers Paul Begala, David Gergen and Harold Ickes.

During an opening keynote speech, former chief of staff Leon Panetta quipped that he appreciated "the opportunity to, considering the problems that are confronting this White House, to take some comfort in the ability to say when we were in the White House those were the good old days."

The presidential conference is the 11th to be held at Hofstra; the first was held in 1982 and examined the presidency of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

Hofstra President Stuart Rabinowitz said this year's conference was "one of the very first attempts to write the historical record of the Clinton presidency."

Brinkley, who is serving as a moderator at several events, said the transcripts and other records from the Hofstra sessions are considered important reference materials for students of history across the country.

Madeleine Albright, Clinton's secretary of state from 1997 to 2001, introduced him Thursday evening. In remarks earlier Thursday, she recalled some of the administration's foreign policy efforts during her term.

"I have always believed America is an exceptional country. But that is because we have led in creating standards that work for everyone, not because we are an exception to the rules," she said. "Countries should know that America is a nation whose leaders can be trusted and who will practice what they preach. By that high standard, I am proud of the Clinton administration's record."


4.

WHY DID BILL CLINTON IGNORE TERRORISM?
Was it simply the constraints of his liberal mindset, or was it something even more threatening to our national security?

by Mia T, 8.18.05


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DISCUSSION

"I remember exactly what happened. Bruce Lindsey said to me on the phone, 'My God, a second plane has hit the tower.' And I said, 'Bin Laden did this.' that's the first thing I said. He said, 'How can you be sure?' I said 'Because only bin Laden and the Iranians could set up the network to do this and they [the Iranians] wouldn't do it because they have a country in targets. Bin Laden did it.'

I thought that my virtual obsession with him was well placed and I was full of regret that I didn't get him."

bill clinton
Sunday, Sept 3, 2002
Larry King Live

"Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan. He was expelled from Saudi Arabia in '91 and he went to the Sudan.

We'd been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start dealing with them again. They released him [bin Laden].

At the time, '96, he had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America.

So I pleaded with the Saudis to take him, 'cause they could have; but they thought it was a hot potato. They didn't and that's how he wound up in Afghanistan."

bill clinton
Sunday, Aug. 11, 2002
Clinton Reveals on Secret Audio:
I Nixed Bin Laden Extradition Offer



5.

MAD hillary series #4
NANO-PRESIDENT
the danger of the unrelenting smallness
of bill + hillary clinton



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WHY DID BILL CLINTON IGNORE TERRORISM?
Was it simply the constraints of his liberal mindset, or was it something even more threatening to our national security?



BIN LADEN FINGERS CLINTON FOR TERROR SUCCESS (SEE FOOTAGE)
THE THREAT OF TERRORISM IS AS CLOSE AS A CLINTON IS TO THE OVAL OFFICE


THE DANGER OF RUNNING VICARIOUSLY
Bill O'Reilly chews up and spits out the hillary clinton candidacy
(clip included)


HILLARY'S COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF PROBLEM
(see descriptor morphs)


Why hillary clinton should never be allowed anywhere near the Oval Office... or any position of power
REASON 1: SHE HIRED JAMIE GORELICK


sandy berger haberdashery feint
(the specs, not the pants or the socks)


THE LEFT'S RECKLESS TET-OFFENSIVE-GAMBIT REPLAY:
the left's jihad against America is killing our troops, aiding + abetting the terrorists and imperiling all Americans


pro-islamofascist-terrorist radical chic
WHY THE LEFT IS DANGEROUS FOR AMERICA


The Left's Fatally Flawed "Animal Farm" Mentality
(Why America Must NEVER AGAIN Elect a Democrat President)


the clinton-clinton-Broaddrick kind of rape, according to Susan Estrich


ESTRICH IMPEACHED BY HER OWN WORDS,
EXPOSES STOCK HILLARY PLOY: EXPLOIT WOMEN
my amazon.com review


STRANGE BEDFELLOWS: ED KLEIN AND SUSAN ESTRICH AGREE ABOUT HILLARY


PRESIDENTIAL FAILURE, 9/11 + KATRINA


CROOKS PARDONING CROOKS PARDONING CROOKS:
Justice Undone in the clinton White House


NANO-PRESIDENT
the danger of the unrelenting smallness of bill + hillary clinton


HIROSHIMA'S NUCLEAR LESSON
bill clinton is no Harry Truman


CLINTON RAPES, REVISIONISM, USEFUL IDIOTS AND ENTROPY (an update)


JENNINGS DOES A DIMBLEBY: clinton legacy-RAGE redux


1st Feminist Prez Impeached
(clinton, pushed by the "smartest woman in the world," managed to impeach himself)


THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT?
clinton legacy of lynching update


TALL-TALE TWEAK:
In honor of Rosa Parks, 'burning church' becomes 'bus' for 'first black president'
(clip included)

For the children?
the clintons ARE pornography downloads


COPYRIGHT MIA T 2005

 



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1 posted on 11/11/2005 12:12:17 AM PST by Mia T
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To: yoe

revisionist confab ping


2 posted on 11/11/2005 12:15:56 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T

bttt


3 posted on 11/11/2005 12:20:30 AM PST by Cindy
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To: jla; WorkingClassFilth; Gail Wynand; Brian Allen; Wolverine; Lonesome in Massachussets; IVote2; ...

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4 posted on 11/11/2005 12:20:55 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: jla

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5 posted on 11/11/2005 12:24:53 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Wolverine

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6 posted on 11/11/2005 12:25:24 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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7 posted on 11/11/2005 12:47:59 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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8 posted on 11/11/2005 12:48:17 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: beyond the sea

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9 posted on 11/11/2005 12:50:12 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Brian Allen

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10 posted on 11/11/2005 12:50:33 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: doug from upland

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11 posted on 11/11/2005 12:51:21 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T

bump


12 posted on 11/11/2005 12:51:42 AM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Gabz

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13 posted on 11/11/2005 12:58:22 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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14 posted on 11/11/2005 12:59:38 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T
Memories do fade with time, it's true.

For instance, I can no longer remember whether "Sh$thead" is Clinton's first name or title.

15 posted on 11/11/2005 12:59:43 AM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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16 posted on 11/11/2005 1:06:51 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T

Try as they might, it's still a pig's ear.


17 posted on 11/11/2005 1:07:04 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Republic

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18 posted on 11/11/2005 1:07:10 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: ncountylee

;)
you are too kind


19 posted on 11/11/2005 1:08:16 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Hank Rearden

Talking about memories, clinton's hasn't been the same since his surgery. You can see a distant, confused look in his eyes... and his rambling has become more pronounced.

And as for the missus, have you ever noticed that she requires notes for even the simplest of statements?


20 posted on 11/11/2005 1:13:47 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: citizensgratitude

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21 posted on 11/11/2005 1:16:05 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: WorkingClassFilth

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22 posted on 11/11/2005 1:17:52 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T
Clinton's best scores were on the economic management

Oh, please.

Clinton scores below Nixon in moral authority....what a surprise.

23 posted on 11/11/2005 1:18:16 AM PST by cowboyway (My heroes have always been cowboys.)
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clinton 'managed' the economy by ignoring terrorism.

Bin Laden repeatedly declared war on America and repeatedly committed acts of war against America, and clinton did nothing, nothing to upset the mideast muslim ego and nothing to upset the Dow.


24 posted on 11/11/2005 1:25:16 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: cowboyway

click on clinton's finger ("loser") in first image, above. You will hear clinton rage directed at peter jennings for bringing up clinton's moral-authority ranking relative to nixon's....


25 posted on 11/11/2005 1:30:44 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T
You will hear clinton rage directed at peter jennings for bringing up clinton's moral-authority ranking relative to nixon's....

During the audio, Clinton barely acknowledges that he 'made a mistake', but is quick to point out that he paid for it.

Well, Bubba didn't pay for it nearly as much as millions of Americans did.

26 posted on 11/11/2005 1:46:40 AM PST by cowboyway (My heroes have always been cowboys.)
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27 posted on 11/11/2005 3:40:28 AM PST by devolve (<--- (--------(--do not check out my lame FR home page--)--------)
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To: Mia T
I posted an AP article on this circle-jerk yesterday... in it, the term 'wonkstock' was used. I just about hurled.

All I could think of, to relate this gathering of hapless lackies to, was the original version of 'Oceans 11'. The first meeting before they made their big casino heist.

The only legacy for Bill Clintoon is shame... he knows it, and the fools who joined him know it as well. This 'confab' was just to get everyone on the same page for the Clintoon's return to the White House in 2008. Each one of these turds has the vision of working for the next, Clintoon administration.

I'm sure Bush's loss of focus during the past several months... and the collapse of our Republican majority has their spirits high.

28 posted on 11/11/2005 3:47:21 AM PST by johnny7 (“What now? Let me tell you what now.”)
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To: Mia T
revisionist confab ping

No matter how desperately they try to spin it, the simple fact remains there is not one single enduring Clinton accomplishment as President. He was a painful insignificant figure. He will remain that way no matter how hard they try to puff him up. In fact, the most enduring legacy of the Clintons will be the hysteric perpetual campaign we currently see where the President is expected to be continually on campaign rather then actually governing "Why doesn't Bush fight back etc) and the politics of sleaze. Where character assignation, guilt by accusation and fundamental corruption in institutions will be considered "political as usual".

29 posted on 11/11/2005 3:53:45 AM PST by MNJohnnie (I'll try to be NICER, if you will try to be SMARTER!.......Water Buckets UP!)
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To: Mia T
[Waco] Nearly 80 cult followers died in a fire during the 1993 confrontation.

"We should have waited them out," Clinton said.

Eighty Americans incinerated. A Republican President would have been impeached immediately.

30 posted on 11/11/2005 4:34:43 AM PST by Jacquerie (Democrats soil institutions)
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To: Mia T

BTTT!


31 posted on 11/11/2005 5:06:17 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (The problem with being a 'big tent' Party is that the clowns are seated with the paying customers.)
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To: Jacquerie
Waco happened right after Clinton won the election with 43% of the vote, thanks to the despicable Ross Perot, who was later awarded the Social Security Administration contract of almost a billion dollars for his help.

This was Bill's way of putting all of the state militia's that were popular at the time on notice of how they would be dealt with if they physically opposed him. With the Branch Didivians, he was relatively sure he could handle the political fallout because they were small in numbers, and they were outside of the what seemed to be a normal way of life. He even violated the posse comitatus act by having his buddy Wesley Clark, the commander of Fort Hood, lend him some armored personnel carriers to use against US citizens. This act alone was enough to impeach him.

However, along with Hillary's failed health care scheme (which once again the infamous Ross Perot was lurking in the shadows), Bill's approval numbers continued to lag. Then the Oklahoma City bombing united the people of the US against a common foe, or so we thought. And Bill's numbers stayed high throughout his presidency.

I'm convinced that Clinton along with the BATF were complicit in the Murrah Building bombing, but have no proof, or way of proving it. I would be interested in seeing how many of the BATF employees that had offices in the Murrah Building are still alive. You would need to get rid of them, if they were complicit.

32 posted on 11/11/2005 5:40:15 AM PST by Texas Jack
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To: mewzilla

ping


33 posted on 11/11/2005 5:42:54 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T

Great work. Again :) Thanks for the ping. Brinkley's a hoot, isn't he?


34 posted on 11/11/2005 5:53:44 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Texas Jack
Perot assisting the missus with her fascistic hillarycare machinations was payback for splitting the vote the first time, thereby allowing the rapist to win with a plurality of only 43%.

The clintons can never get a majority in a national election.

They will attempt to pull another perot (or an issue that functions like a perot) out of the hat in '08.

Remember, a perot ploy can only succeed with our complicity. We must not allow the clintons to split us up.

LUCINDA FRANKS: I think you're wrong because, after about two years of -- of working on this, you know, on and off, I think the president -- that the teenage culture caused the president's behavior in the way he behaved in -- with the oral sex.
 
BILL O'REILLY: I think you're crazy, Ms. Franks, with all due respect.

Fellating Kids and clinton Degeneracy: The Revisionism Begins

 
 

"Be Liberal, Live in Ignorance and Servitude"

by Gail Wynand

Liberals have always had problems figuring out causation. They believe for example that because people who smoke (sometimes) have higher rates of cancer than people who don't that smoking CAUSES cancer, worse, they believe that if people get cancer it is the fault of the "tobacco companies" (i.e., caused by the manufactures of tobacco products). They further believe that the remedy for this fault is that billions of dollars in "damages" should be transferred from the wealth of stockholders in tobacco companies to a handful of plaintiffs lawyers including the First Lady's relatives and others closely associated with the Democratic party. And they believe, apparently, that if young people are now experimenting with sex at early ages and with more profoundly explicit practices than in past years, and that if the President of the United States decides to enroll a young intern in rendition of such services to his middle aged libido resultantly staining both her dress and America's reputation, that a spontaneous wave of teenage sex experimentation, sucked (sorry) the poor middle aged chief executive into its vortex.

Deducing causation in most events takes deliberate, focused, thought, insight, and a disciplined intelligence that doesnt skip foundational indoctrination (aka actually studying in school). Causation of the diseases associated with cancer is highly complex and to a large degree still unknown. That smoking is probably not healthy for you is well known. That a middle aged chief executive, Yale Law School graduate, former professor of Constitutional Law and State Attorney General should be responsible and accountable for his own actions including HIS perjury and obstruction of justice would seem axiomatic to all but a liberal who has the capacity to adopt causationally convenient theories based solely on tangential proximity to the event under examination rather than through any rational analysis of the importance or significance of the asserted cause to the event. Thus, "guns" are used in some murders therefore, to a liberal all "guns" should be either banned or kept in locked safes with trigger locks so as to disarm the law abiding public and eviscerate their legally recognized right to effective self defense.

Quite simply, one has to be pretty stupid or very corrupt or both to be a liberal, at least and for sure to be a Clinton supporter. But it is worse than that, one also has to deny the importance of human consciousness and free will. That is, a Clinton defending liberal apparently believes that childhood psychic trauma, teenage sex trends (remarkably and largely only rampant among the social classes targeted by liberals for social intervention for the past 40 years) and the power of "addiction" which used to be considered merely "habituation" in more stalwart times, are more significant than free will in determining human conduct.

Clearly someone should notify America's founders that they have erred... men are not deserving of self-government, because clearly self-government is nothing more than the aggregation of all our psychic traumas and libidinal confusions.. and look where that has gotten us...one Clinton leaving the white house and one aiming for the US Senate for the State of New York... perhaps the liberals ARE onto something? But no, study the last two Clinton elections carefully... this most shameless and shameful American President is the product of plurality (less than majority) votes obtained through the gile and intrigue of an elitist cabal of intellectually impaired and ethically corrupt media manipulators aligned in effect with the electoral tampering of one man, H. Ross Perot, who although he occasionally gave a good speech was still intelligent enough to know his only role was to twice deny the conservative majority of American voters a first choice for President. And now even as Evita determinedly grasps for the Security Power and Influence of the Senate seat, one sees in her early campaigning the overriding awareness that her only hope is the sowing of confusion and ignorance... the demonization of a long time public servant whose accomplishments are towering, the pandering to the lowest and most depraved and corrupt anti social organizations and figures (no not the mob, the teachers unions and Mr. Sharpton). Arm in arm this body of liberal enthusiasts march forth to assure that America continues to be contaminated and disabled by their control of government into the 21st century... arrogantly and in complete disregard of truth, rationality, or the notion of liberty... they pound at the very gates of freedom, threatening to burn (redefine to mean the opposite of what they say) the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and the Gettysburg Address and replace them with their own Orwellian Banners of "community" "children" "education" "fairness" and all the other focus group tested liberal-illogicisms. But the translation exists and when the alien identifying sunglasses are donned all of their slogans can be seen to read "Be Liberal, Live in Ignorance and Servitude"

 

For the children?
the clintons ARE pornography downloads
by Mia T, 7.14.05




35 posted on 11/11/2005 6:07:00 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T

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36 posted on 11/11/2005 6:26:48 AM PST by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: mewzilla
I actually heard Douglas Brinkley on C-SPAN discussing those presidential rankings.

He never stated--he never even implied--that there was any evidence whatsoever of 'greatness' in the clinton presidency.

What he did describe was a relatively banal presidency that was, at best, middling and small and that it would get only less valued and smaller with time.

What clinton is doing with all this faux-scholarly self-promotion is mucking up the data in order to confound future historians (even as the clintons' undermining of Bush is the realtime, real live implementation of posthumous misappropriation, the clintons' preferred method of legacy inflation).

Upstaged, clinton Recycles Tired Canard, Tries New Revisionist Tack

 

by Mia T, 11-03-03

 

Biography lends to death a new terror.--Oscar Wilde 

 

 

Hypocrisy abounds in this Age of Clinton, a Postmodern Oz rife with constitutional deconstruction and semantic subversion, a virtual surreality polymarked by presidential alleles peccantly misplaced or, in the case of Jefferson posthumously misappropriated...

Mia T, THE OTHER NIXON

 

 

 

Yesterday, Daniel Patrick Moynihan died. Today, the clintons are arrogating his soul. Hardly surprising. In 1999, the clintons were not at all shy about seizing his still-warm senate seat.

One has merely to recall the Jefferson double-helix hoax to understand that posthumous misappropriation is, for the obvious reason, the clintons' preferred method of legacy inflation….

Standard-Issue clintonism

If misappropriation of Jefferson's alleles hinged on a broken line of descent, misappropriation of Moynihan's endorsement depends on a broken line of dissent. Like Sally Hemmings' progeny, Moynihan's later acquiescence is of dubious lineage

Mia T, Moynihan Myths


 



hat is surprising about the clinton-Dole C-SPAN pas de deux is not that clinton demagoguery had gotten so old. What is surprising is that the tautological, specious, gasbag sort of banality that had always been the hallmark of clintonspeak was ever considered interesting or credible in the first place.

The 60-minute C-SPAN reprise of the 60-second 60 Minutes clinton-Dole flop confirmed what the 60 Minutes separate-stages format had plainly suggested: that bill clinton would be wise never to share the stage with Bob Dole.

Bob Dole displayed an easy wit; clinton served up faux-folksy bromides laced with underlying rage with stale carnard-cum-corollary for good measure.

The canard: If a crook doesn't make a profit, then it's not a crime.

The corollary: The government should pursue a crook if, and only if, the crook's take exceeds the government's cost to nail him.

hillary talks: ON CLINTON "FINANCES"

(viewing movie requires Flash Player 7, available HERE)

Casuistry in the service of clinton revisionism....

Posthumous misappropriation is, for the obvious reason, the clintons' preferred method of legacy inflation. While downward revision ("defining deviancy down") is the classic clinton m.o., (see Jefferson double-helix hoax), clinton, exposed, is now arguing the obverse; the double negative offers the illusion of a higher ground.

If the purpose of the canard and corollary is to nullify Whitewater, the purpose of the claim that Ulysses S. Grant was unfairly maligned is to point the clinton hagiographers in the direction of the nonjudgmental... and the non sequitur.

That is, if Grant was unfairly maligned as a drunk, then, according to clinton deconstructionist logic, it follows that clinton was unfairly maligned as a rapist, traitor, perjurer, suborner of perjury, cheat, obstructor of justice, abuser of power, psychopath, corruptor of children, murderer, incompetent, utter failure, proximate cause of 911... take your choice.

HILLARY FLUNKS D.C. BAR EXAM
"the smartest woman in the world" seeks less competitive venue
Mia T, 6.18.05


37 posted on 11/11/2005 6:41:33 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Wolverine

thx :)


38 posted on 11/11/2005 6:42:03 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T

What I've always found interesting about Brinkley is what he leaves out :)


39 posted on 11/11/2005 6:43:18 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: cowboyway

He says to Jennings, "I think in history it will all come out in the wash. I think things come out in the wash."

I bet he wishes it did, if you get my Dreft...er... drift.


40 posted on 11/11/2005 6:58:48 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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41 posted on 11/11/2005 7:02:17 AM PST by Freee-dame
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To: yoe

thanx again ping


42 posted on 11/11/2005 7:17:03 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Calpernia

ping


43 posted on 11/11/2005 7:18:24 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: KylaStarr; Cindy; StillProud2BeFree; nw_arizona_granny; Velveeta; Dolphy; appalachian_dweller; ...

Another great post by Mia T!


44 posted on 11/11/2005 7:25:23 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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45 posted on 11/12/2005 3:37:54 AM PST by jla
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To: Calpernia

Bump.


46 posted on 11/12/2005 5:23:17 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (WAKE UP AMERICA !!!!)
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To: Mia T
Doing a catch up.....

And do get sidetracked ......the following is about ms clinton

"And as for the missus, have you ever noticed that she requires notes for even the simplest of statements?"

I have read/heard her 'people' want her reading her speeches from not thru the election - because ..... if not, she get sidetracked and starts yelling and screaming and ranting and raving and rutting like a screaching pig.. until she foams at the mouth!

Too bad because she is priceless when she foams at the mouth ...

47 posted on 01/02/2006 9:52:13 PM PST by malia (The Impeached x42 clinton - a Paper Tiger President! MSM - bottom feeders! What a team!!!!)
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To: malia
"And as for the missus, have you ever noticed that she requires notes for even the simplest of statements?"--me
 
I have read/heard her 'people' want her reading her speeches from not thru the election - because ..... if not, she get sidetracked and starts yelling and screaming and ranting and raving and rutting like a screaching pig.. until she foams at the mouth!
Too bad because she is priceless when she foams at the mouth ...--Malia

The programming method of concealing missus clinton's rage and banality has been demonstrated time and again not to work. Even when scripted down to the last punctuation mark. (Listen here and here and here.)

The clinton 'infrastructure's' current device of choice, therefore, is the figurative equivalent of duct tape -- 'listening tours,' thrown voices, proxy schemes and such.

Missus clinton must keep her mouth shut to maintain marginal viability. Not good.

The clintons, as is their wont, are now taking this proxy scheme to even more outrageous extremes. The latest: an actual hillary clinton proxy presidency, populated on both sides of the camera by assorted rodham and clinton ex-staffers, sycophants and should-be felons, witness the latest hire.

'Commander-in-Chief,' a show that sets out to crown a 'queen,' instead exposes the kitschy simplemindedness of Hollywood fantasy and the special sway and shortsightedness of the pathologic ego.

Mia T, 10.27.05
THE DANGER OF RUNNING VICARIOUSLY
Bill O'Reilly chews up and spits out the hillary clinton candidacy
(clip included)


48 posted on 01/03/2006 4:37:43 AM PST by Mia T
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