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Christian 'megapastor' blasts believers on Dec. 25 dispute (defends decision to close)
World Net Daily ^ | December 19, 2005

Posted on 12/19/2005 6:23:54 AM PST by NYer

With many large churches across the U.S. announcing they won't be open on Christmas Day, some pastors are defending their decision to stay closed, even going so far as to blast those who question their motives.

Among them is Jon Weece, pastor of Southland Christian Church in Lexington, Ky., who received complaint e-mails from Christians in all 50 states.

"I was deeply saddened by the knee-jerk response of the Christian community as a whole to give the benefit of the doubt to the media and not a church or a brother in Christ," Weece said in his Dec. 10 sermon. "I'm still troubled that more Christians in this community specifically did not stand up for us knowing what this church represents."

(Audio of the entire sermon is available here.)

Weece blamed Satan the devil for using the Christmas issue as a distraction, prompting Christians to bicker among themselves.

"People are not the enemy," he said. "The devil is, and it is obvious that he has been at work in this situation."

Weece said the services being offered on Christmas Eve were still technically the "first day of the week" if one went by the custom of starting days at sunset, which some believe was the case in Jesus' day.

He went on to note: "Christmas began as a pagan holiday to the Roman gods, and if we were to really celebrate the historical birth of Jesus, it would either be in January or mid-April. I'm only pointing out the historical technicalities not out of intellectual arrogance, but again because of the illogical, ill-informed and even hypocritical arguments that were aimed at me personally this last week."

Weece also said Jesus himself walked all over opinion and tradition: "Do not lose sight of the controversy that Jesus incited by turning traditions on their head. And always remember in the economy of Jesus, the one whose birthday so many are claiming to be so passionate about, Jesus placed value and emphasis on people over policy and procedure and protocol every single time."

Meanwhile, the largest Christian church in South Florida has reversed itself on its closure Christmas Day, and now says it will be open for a single service next Sunday morning, Dec. 25.


Calvary Chapel of Fort Lauderdale now promoting its Christmas Day service online after initially announcing a Dec. 25 closure

Calvary Chapel of Fort Lauderdale originally decided to give its members and workforce a day off to spend with their families on Christmas, even though it falls on Sunday, its traditional day of worship. Instead, it had scheduled a slate of extra services for Saturday night, Christmas Eve.


Pastor Bob Coy

"I've been called a bad person and a shame to Christianity," pastor Bob Coy told the South Florida Sun-Sentinel. "It made me realize that many people misunderstood our motives."

But after an onslaught of negative public reaction from both inside and outside his congregation, Coy had a change of heart.

"Say it isn't so," read one e-mail, according to Coy. "You're shutting your doors on Jesus' birthday. I'm appalled at the message you're sending to the community."

Coy also was advised by some church members who said they wouldn't be able to attend services on Christmas Eve, and preferred to come on the actual holiday.

"Christmas is filled with unrealistic expectations," he said. "I don't want to fuel that. If people need Jesus on Christmas, I want to make Him available."

The entire issue has exacerbated the national Christmas controversy at a time which many believe is supposed to harken back to the Gospel of Luke's "peace on Earth."

"There is no biblical mandate that we meet on Sunday, only that we meet," writes Larry Baden in an online messageboard. "This is clearly a nonessential issue. Nobody's orthodoxy stands or falls on having a Sunday service. Nobody's salvation depends on having a Sunday service."

Minister Jeff Chitwood contends: "I think the issue centers on canceling worship on a day that is supposed to be centered on Christ. Too many times the church accuses the world of taking Christ out of Christmas but now the church is the one changing things because a day centered on Christ conflicts with schedules. What kind of message does it send to those who we have condemned in the past? At our church we are rescheduling service times but not eliminating the opportunity to worship on a day centered on Christ."

One poster said true worship is about much more than just singing or attending a church service.

"The way I greet my family when I go home from work is an act of worship. The way I talk to my co-workers. The dedication I give to my employer. The passion and inspiration I find in teaching or writing or editing or reading or mowing the lawn or ironing my shirts. ...

"Let's all just focus on God this Sunday. He's a big Guy. I'm sure those who look for him will find him – even if they don't set foot in a church building."


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To: A2J; SoothingDave
Wait...I thought Christmas was this Sunday.

He mentioned this past Sunday that closing church next Sunday was a bad idea. But then again, I think you knew that and you're trying to be incendiary and irritating. I refer back to SoothinDave's quote in #112.
141 posted on 12/19/2005 9:16:36 AM PST by JamesP81
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To: SoothingDave
Perhaps you aren't aware of this, but Catholics worship God by offering the Perfect Sacrifice of the Son to the Father, making this Sacrifice present in our midst and applying it to ur own lives and souls.

So how can imperfect beings offer a "perfect sacrifice of the Son?" Oh, that's right, the Pope said you can.

This certainly can take place anywhere, but it is good to have a fitting place on earth for this worship and sacrifice.

A "fitting place," such as a smelly stable where Christ was born?

142 posted on 12/19/2005 9:17:06 AM PST by A2J (Love Jesus...hate "church.")
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To: A2J
"along with its 'bishop'
"So, you are Catholic."

Do you believe that the word "bishop" is used as a name for a church office exclusively by the Roman Catholic church?

It is prominently used in the King James Bible (1 Tim 3:1). But it is never used in a way indicating hierarchical nature. There is no reason to take the office of "bishop" as being anything other than the presiding elder of a local congregation of believers.

The Roman Catholic system does not allow the description of the "bishop" in 1 Timothy ch. 3, where he may be the husband of one wife.

No, I am not a "Catholic," if you mean Roman Catholic or Orthodox Catholic, etc. I am a Bible-believing (Bible-lteralist) Baptist
143 posted on 12/19/2005 9:18:04 AM PST by Free Baptist
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To: JeffAtlanta
For most people, going to church just to go is worse than not going at all because it gives them a false sense of security.

Isn't it amazing how great a role fear plays in the lives of religious people, be they Buddhist, Muslim or Christian?

"Security through fear." What a paradox!

144 posted on 12/19/2005 9:19:18 AM PST by A2J (Love Jesus...hate "church.")
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To: Salvation
This is a little story I received in an email.

One beautiful December evening, Pedro and his girlfriend were sitting by the side of the ocean. It was a romantic full moon, when Pedro said, "Hey, mamacita, let's play Weeweechu".

"Oh no, not now, lets look at the moon" said Rosita.

"Oh, c'mon baby, let's you and I play Weeweechu. I love you and it's the perfect time", Pedro begged.

"But I wanna just hold your hand and watch the moon".

"Please, corazoncito, just once, play Weeweechu with me".

Rosita looked at Pedro and said, "Ok, one time, we'll play Weeweechu".

Pedro grabbed his guitar and they both sang....

"Weeweechu a Merry Christmas, Weeweechu a Merry Christmas, Weeweechu a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year".

Now get your head out of the gutter and get back to work!!!
145 posted on 12/19/2005 9:20:28 AM PST by MamaB (mom to an Angel)
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To: SoothingDave
You think that justifies making molestation jokes and smearing priests?

The Catholic Church has a huge problem with it's priests. It's not like the situation is resolved. This is really damaging as the "Church" is considered sacred.

Protestant churches have issues as well, but protestants have never asserted that their "Church" has supernatural powers.

These problems with the Catholic Church would lead many to believe that the "Church" and the papal father might be akin the "emperor with no clothes".

146 posted on 12/19/2005 9:20:40 AM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: xzins
This demonstrates that it's possible to have some things that are not sinful but also not be the best decision. These are the words of the Apostle Paul.

Paul also says that when something is done (or in this case, not done) that causes a brother to be offended, we sin against that brother.

So where do we draw the line?

147 posted on 12/19/2005 9:21:10 AM PST by A2J (Love Jesus...hate "church.")
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To: SoothingDave
"You're trying to tell me that OT prophets were "renegades" ..."

Hmmm...Does this sound like a 'renegade'?

"Just as My servant Isaiah has walked naked and barefoot three years for a sign and a wonder against Egypt and Ethiopia"

or this...

Hosea was commanded to take a wife who would become a prostitute as an example of God's relationship with Israel.

Yup. They were renegades alright.

"...who didn't obey the Law..."

What law are you referring to?

We can go around and around about this but it is pointless. Like I posted earlier, the concept of "church" today is not reflected in the Bible. Read it. It is not there.
148 posted on 12/19/2005 9:24:00 AM PST by j_k_l
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To: JeffAtlanta

"It's not clever, and makes you sound like a bigot.
It's cool for Catholics to belittle Protestants, but when Protestants point out serious problems in the "Church" then they're bigots?

Like I said before in this thread, "live by the sword, die by the sword" - if you start throwing stones and don't act like an innocent bystander when some get thrown back."

Are you two brothers or the same person posting? Anyway, not to point out the obvious (again), but it is a matter of degree. There is a way to RESPECTFULLY disagree with another person's opinion. What people do or don't do on Christmas is their decision, and involves free will. But people do have various opinions about one of the biggest Christian Holy Days of the year and that's okay. What's not okay is some of the bigoted hyperbole that is being bandied about as opposed to well thought out, intelligent discourse.


149 posted on 12/19/2005 9:25:24 AM PST by khnyny (Merry Christmas)
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To: NYer

Our Protestant, Mega-Church in Houston is having a 4PM service at the Toyota Center on Christmas Eve. We expect a large crowd and everyone in the city is invited. Clay Walker and Yolanda Adams will be participating in Worship with us.

Music starts at 3:15 and the service at 4:00.

We will also have an 11:00 AM service on Christmas.


150 posted on 12/19/2005 9:26:02 AM PST by TexanToTheCore (Rock the pews, Baby)
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To: j_k_l
We can go around and around about this but it is pointless. Like I posted earlier, the concept of "church" today is not reflected in the Bible. Read it. It is not there.

OK then, let's disband all the churches, shutdown the salvation army, cease funding for overseas missions from those same said churches, and close all the religious hospitals. After all, none of that stuff is reflected in the bible.
151 posted on 12/19/2005 9:26:39 AM PST by JamesP81
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To: SoothingDave
Don't be an ass. It greatly devalues anything else you say.

My point is that those who "worship" in glass cathedrals shouldn't throw stones.

You've arrogantly condemned others because of the myopic view of your own religion...just like the Pharisees.

152 posted on 12/19/2005 9:26:47 AM PST by A2J (Love Jesus...hate "church.")
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To: Free Baptist
The megachurch metality is a blending of churchianity with the course of this world,

I've got news for you, the same is true not just for the megachurches but all of organized religion, which probably includes most of what you hold dear regarding "church."

153 posted on 12/19/2005 9:29:13 AM PST by A2J (Love Jesus...hate "church.")
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To: AnAmericanMother

Maybe part of the disconnect with all of this is that Protestant pastors tend to be married and have family of their own.

I don't have a problem with churches closing on Christmas, especially if they are having lots of services on Christmas Eve. I figure the pastors and their families are doing their duties the day before. I'm sure it is well-publicized.

My church is small and meets in a school. For 2 summers, we've had to be very creative about church while the school was unavailable due to contruction. It gives you a whole new perspective about what church is.

Some people would have a hard time meeting in a school because because they care more about the building than about the people. However, my husband and I think the church is more about the people than the location or the time.


154 posted on 12/19/2005 9:30:28 AM PST by luckystarmom
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To: A2J

He was talking about a weaker brother being offended.

Those of us who sit out there and snipe at these churches are not in danger of losing our faith over their less than stellar decision.

What I would do is lovingly let them know that they've made a weak decision.

The penalty to them is that none of the Christmas attenders will go to their churches.


155 posted on 12/19/2005 9:31:23 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: NYer

Because they are holding lots of services on Christmas Eve. It takes a lot of managing to hold the Christmas Eve services, and they don't want to do it on both Christmas Eve and Christmas.


156 posted on 12/19/2005 9:31:47 AM PST by luckystarmom
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To: luckystarmom
However, my husband and I think the church is more about the people than the location or the time.

That is exactly, the sum total of the church. The church is God and His people. Nothing more, nothing less.
157 posted on 12/19/2005 9:31:58 AM PST by JamesP81
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To: JeffAtlanta

>>attending church just for the sake of attending is legalism and ritualistic. <<

Three things:

1) We are commanded to meet corporately and worship God as a church body. Individual/family devotions are for the other 6 days

2) A true believer longs to worship God and be in the fellowship of other believers. Anyone who rolls out of bed and feels "obligated" to worship has an issue with himself, not the church.

3) The heart of this issue is not legalism, it's the "Conditional Worship" laziness of contemporary pop-bubblegum christianity. The idea of "Unless I can ____ then I won't go to church.", or "Unless the church offers ____ then I won't go."

These churches are closing their doors on Christmas Sunday as a convenience to the congregation. Our convenience or comfort should never be a consideration when it comes to worshipping the LORD on the day He has set aside for corporate worship.


158 posted on 12/19/2005 9:33:18 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Hail Him who saved you by His grace, and crown Him Lord of All")
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To: JamesP81
"OK then, let's disband all the churches, shutdown the salvation army, cease funding for overseas missions from those same said churches, and close all the religious hospitals. After all, none of that stuff is reflected in the bible."

SOMEONE GRAB THE BABY, SHE IS GOING OUT WITH THE BATH WATTER!!!

Look, if your relationship is bettered by being in a building with a group of people on Sunday morning - God bless you. If I choose to meet with a couple of people at Starbucks on Thursday night and that draws me closer to God, why would that matter to you? I will be with my family on Sunday morning celebrating Christmas in our home. If you choose to go to your church, I honestly hope that it is a wonderful day for you.
159 posted on 12/19/2005 9:35:50 AM PST by j_k_l
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To: A2J

See my post #158.

I suppose all of Paul's instructions on church government and orderly worship aren't applicable in your eyes?


160 posted on 12/19/2005 9:36:51 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Hail Him who saved you by His grace, and crown Him Lord of All")
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