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Did Bush willingly commit a ZOT? Please say it ain't so

Posted on 12/20/2005 8:49:47 AM PST by always thr constitution

I have been arguing with stupid libs for two days saying that Bush committed no crime because under the provisions of the USSID 18 and the FSIA, he could with perfect legitimacy eavesdrop on aliens involved in terrorist activities if he had AG approval.

However, what was puzzling is that Gonzales did not cite USSID 18; he cited the more dubious rationale of war powers approval. This would seem to indicate that Bush was spying on US citizens without a Court Order which clearly violates USSID 18 and the FSIA, and was using war powers approval to cover for it.

Now such actions are not unprecedented during wartime; however, since there has been no officiial declaration of war, there seems to be Constitutional as well as legal issues at work here.

I never thought Bush would resort to such extreme measures to skirt the law. I hope I am wrong. Please tell me why Bush didn't do this.


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To: always thr constitution

Been a long time since I've seen a real, honest to goodness troll.

Merry Christmas!


41 posted on 12/20/2005 9:01:05 AM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: always thr constitution

42 posted on 12/20/2005 9:01:10 AM PST by add925 (The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
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To: darkwing104

That's no bunny!


43 posted on 12/20/2005 9:01:23 AM PST by Dashing Dasher (Idealism is what precedes experience; cynicism is what follows.)
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To: linda_22003
Please Linda, you're going to ruin a perfectly good "troll frenzy"
44 posted on 12/20/2005 9:01:46 AM PST by WhiteGuy (Vote for gridlock)
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To: always thr constitution

Ave et vale!


45 posted on 12/20/2005 9:02:33 AM PST by Antoninus (Hillary smiles every time a Freeper trashes Rick Santorum)
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To: always thr constitution
A newbie I see.

IBTZ

Here is what I think.

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46 posted on 12/20/2005 9:02:35 AM PST by mware (everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL.")
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To: always thr constitution

"I have been arguing with stupid libs for two days ..."

Don't you mean stoopid libs? Kinda gave the game away on that one snowflake.


47 posted on 12/20/2005 9:02:38 AM PST by novembersurprise (madisonRepublican)
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To: always thr constitution

I to tha B to that T to tha Z


48 posted on 12/20/2005 9:03:05 AM PST by wideawake
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To: always thr constitution
always thr(ow up) constitution
always th(orazine) constitution
always thr(ottle) constitution
always th(ird) constitution
49 posted on 12/20/2005 9:03:20 AM PST by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: darkwing104

It's dead!


50 posted on 12/20/2005 9:03:21 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.)
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To: Dashing Dasher
That's no bunny!

You just blew his cover!...No soup for you!


51 posted on 12/20/2005 9:03:30 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Dashing Dasher

That's no bunny, it's a space station!

}:-)4


53 posted on 12/20/2005 9:03:59 AM PST by Moose4 (Liberals and vampires: Both like death, both hate crosses, and both are bloodsuckers.)
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To: edcoil
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. Title 50 of the U.S. Code, Chapter 36, Subchapter I, Section 1802, "Electronic surveillance authorization without court order," reads: "[T]he President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year," provided a series of conditions are met.

Passed by the Democrats in Congress and signed by Jimmy Carter in 1978. So it's OK.

54 posted on 12/20/2005 9:04:04 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: darkwing104; Dashing Dasher

55 posted on 12/20/2005 9:05:12 AM PST by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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To: always thr constitution

56 posted on 12/20/2005 9:05:23 AM PST by EX52D ((I have shifted to "Christmas Survival Mode"))
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To: darkwing104

Not even the mulligatawny?


57 posted on 12/20/2005 9:05:40 AM PST by Dashing Dasher (Idealism is what precedes experience; cynicism is what follows.)
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To: always thr constitution

Why don't you just ask Bill Clinton what the reasoning was when he authorized the the wire taps and email surveillance. I bet he can give you a good explanation of why it is legal for the POTUS to do this for national security. But then you didn't really want the answer, did you?


58 posted on 12/20/2005 9:06:26 AM PST by Eva
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To: Michael Goldsberry; darkwing104

Now, that's a bunny with a pancake on it's head.


59 posted on 12/20/2005 9:06:32 AM PST by Dashing Dasher (Idealism is what precedes experience; cynicism is what follows.)
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To: Laura_Ingraham
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. Title 50 of the U.S. Code, Chapter 36, Subchapter I, Section 1802, "Electronic surveillance authorization without court order," reads: "[T]he President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year," provided a series of conditions are met.

Passed by the Democrats in Congress and signed by Jimmy Carter in 1978. So it's OK.

Haven't heard this discussed yet.

60 posted on 12/20/2005 9:07:05 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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