The most corrupt Administration in US history??

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[GodfearingTexan]

Please forgive me, but I need some assistance. I had lunch recently with a close family member who insisted that President Bush is leading the most corrupt admin in history. I countered that it wasn't, that in fact Clinton had easily a more corrupt admin and had more people indicted than any other. He replied, no, that was Nixon. I honestly just don't have time to research all of this, and I know that there are people on here that either know the answer off the top of their heads or can tell me exactly where I can look it up.

[Lancey Howard]

Merry Christmas!

Hey, you're going to meet morons all the time who are ashamed of themselves and cannot accept their own stupidity. Really, who could? All the Democrats can do at this point to try to resurrect their self-esteem and self worth is fantasize that Bush is as bad as Clinton and point fingers in every direction except at themselves.

George Bush moved into the White House five years ago and thoroughly disinfected the place (and, presumably, changed the carpets) and he has since run the most ethical administration in my memory (which goes back to Nixon).

The Democrats are utterly appalled. It is impossible for them to not see the difference between Clinton and Bush, no matter how much they shut their eyes real tight, cover their ears, and shake their heads while chanting, "Lalalalalalalalalalala...."
I wouldn't worry about it - - just keep smiling.

"Only a fool argues with a fool." - - Chinese proverb.

[right-wingin_It]

Sort of off topic, but since you're speaking about liberals sicking the IRS onto people..Let's not forget about Sen. Chuck Schumers opposition research underlings recently caught with "the opposition's" credit reports! What do you suppose they were they gonna do with that, eh? Definite liberal pattern here!

[CyberAnt]

Nixon's only "corruption" was covering up the break-in. But .. Nixon didn't plan it and he didn't authorize it. He was embarrassed by it and tried to cover it up. He should have just fired them all and exposed the whole mess.

If that's your interpretation of "corruption" - you're way off.

[I. M. Trenchant]

You have given your opinion, but the 'fact' about Dr. Kissinger that you cite in support of what you say is incorrect in it's every aspect. Nixon's greatest achievement was his introduction of a triangulated diplomacy that included the opening to China and detente with the USSR. Nixon conceived this approach five years before he became president. When he first told Kissinger that this would be the central task of his Administration, Kissinger characterized Nixon as being crazy to think this would be possible and he said so openly to his entire staff, including Alexander Haig. The definitive biography of Nixon, which discusses every aspect of his career, was written by Jonathan Aitken. It is titled Nixon: A Life and was published in 1993. By Aitken's assessment, Kissinger was an able functionary, nothing more. Nixon was the visionary and architect of U.S. foreign policy. Nixon was also guilty of inspiring much of the skullduggery that took place on 'his watch', but was rarely ever aware of the actions taken by the Plumbers etc. until years after the events occurred and almost never ordered any of the undertakings that are attributed to him -- such as Watergate. For example, when Nixon's minions dreamed up the Watergate burglary, Nixon was in the USSR, and on the evening of the event itself, he was addressing the public of the USSR on TV. Just as Nixon had been the first U.S. president or vice president to visit the USSR and to address the public of the USSR, when he was Ike's VP, he was also, about 15 years later, the first U.S. president to visit the USSR, and to address the public of the USSR. A strong argument can be made, and is made by the Russians themselves, that Nixon's addresses to the public of the USSR were the germinal seeds of glassnost, long before Gorbachev appeared on the scene. Indeed, it was these talks that led to the opening up of the USSR system and to the ascendancy of people like Gorbachev. Nixon's transgressions were sins of omission, in direct contrast to Clinton, who lied, under oath, in the U.S. courts, something Nixon never did -- or would have done. The reckless abandon with which Freepers are prepared to downgrade Nixon, the architect of the electoral shift that has given the GOP a virtual lock on the Oval Office since 1968, is disappointing. Aitken's book should be read by every American, including especially members of this forum. Aitken's assessments are devoid of sentiment, do not skirt Nixon's 'warts', but leave no doubt that he was among the most gifted and successful of all U.S. presidents, and will be so-judged by history when the current crop of dewy-eyed JFK worshipers are 'amolderin in their graves. My recommendation to Godfearing Texan is to read Aitken's book and to ask the Nixon critic he was speaking with to do likewise.

[A Balrog of Morgoth]

Bush? Clinton? Nixon?

Apparently your friend thinks history only began on the day he was born.

Has he ever heard of U.S. Grant?

[Night Hides Not]

Apparently your friend thinks history only began on the day he was born.

A common malady among liberals and RINOs.

One of my favorite phrases from that group is: GITMO is far worse than Auschwitz, or Bush = Hitler.

I may not remember what I had for lunch two days ago, but my teenage kids and nieces/nephews no longer invite me to play in their trivia games...unless it's to play on their team.

[geopyg]

Thanks for the post. Don't think that book is on my shelf with all the other Nixon books.

I think Vietnam would have worked out much differently if Nixon hadn't messed up with Watergate.

Plus, perhaps it's in the book, but I look at Vietnam as an important chess-piece in taking on the USSR which lead to detente, etc. Rather than the "Domino Theory" that got us into the war, it turned out to not be just a domino piece, but a pawn that Nixon used to back the king into a corner.

It's too bad that after Nixon was gone, America decided the pawn was expendable.

[LibLieSlayer]

This sort of statement is typical lib tripe. Beyond not ever being able to produce any evidence (outside of DU talking points), when challenged with facts and the truth, they eventually will call you a nasty name and terminate the conversation.

I love bursting dumb-ass lib bubbles!!! :-)

Merry Christmas!

LLS

[driftless]

Your cousin is merely parroting the latest talking points drivel from the DNC and its stooge Big Media. If they told your cousin that Bush and his other admin members were aliens from the planet Zongo, your cousin would probably believe that.

[Thebaddog]

Liddy, remains unapologetic for his criminal conduct. Of course he's sorry he got caught. A truly contemptable character.

Hold on now. Liddy got caught, kept his mouth shut and did his time. He is far from contemptible, but he is a character.

[napscoordinator]

liberals will say Nixon. Conservatives will say Clinton. This is due to the distain for both. What does it matter?

[napscoordinator]

Nice family...Thank God I am not part of it even though I would have been on the conservative side. I am glad that my family loves everyone regardless of differences of opinion. Hope you family comes to the realization that family is more important than politics even though your sibling was wrong to be liberal. LOL.

[carlr]

Take heart because on Jan.21,2009 they will say that President Allen`s (I hope) is the most corrupt in history.

That is assuming of course the MSM wait a full day which is no sure bet on its own.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Mornng F,
We have to presume the klintoon admin, was like the "holiest of holies" in non-corruption.

All of them in his admin should be in federal prison. Including klintoon and the black pant suit babe- beast.

I term his(TP-Slick's) service as "The Eight Years of the Reign of Terror in America.

In closing, have a "Merry Christmas and Happy New Year."

As I See It,
NSNR

[middie]

The initial question did not concern Nixon's foreign policy initiatives led by Dr. Kissinger. The issue concerns the corrupt state of mind of the group around him and the hubris that infected their belief that they were the modern untouchables. Their CREP organization is the outstanding example of their sinister mode of operation.

[bigsigh]

I welcome correction, but I think specifically, Clinton approved the sale of missle guidance software and the supercomputers to run it. This after taking campaign contributions from the Chinese military.

[yarddog]

It is a sad day when many members of a conservative political forum think Nixon was the most corrupt. When you consider, LBJ, Clinton, Kennedy, FDR, and Truman, Nixon couldn't hold a condle to them.

In fact Nixon was probably one of the least corrupt. I have come to dislike Bush very much because of his underhanded support of gun control and active failure to secure our borders, but he is almost totally uncorrupt.

If forced to name the most corrupt, it would be a tossup between LBJ and Clinton. Both were just about totally crooked.

[Wristpin]

The biggest scandal of the Clinton Admin IMHO was the 1996 Gore Airline Security Commission which recommended security measures that could have prevented 9/11. The commission's report was shelved after the airlines stuffed $700K into the DNC coffers.

Of course the RINOs on the 9/11 Commission allowed the debate to be framed from January 2001 onward. They better get the Barrett report released in full!