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US Christian broadcaster says Sharon's stroke divine retribution
Breitbart.com ^ | 01/05/06

Posted on 01/06/2006 5:18:49 AM PST by Kjobs

US evangelical broadcaster Pat Robertson suggested Ariel Sharon's stroke was divine retribution for "dividing God's land" of Israel, igniting his latest trademark controversy.

As the Israeli prime minister battled for life, Robertson seemed to suggest to viewers on his "700 Club" television show that Sharon was being punished for his policies in Gaza and the West Bank.

"The prophet Joel makes it very clear that God has enmity against those who, quote, 'divide my land.' God considers this land to be his.

"You read the Bible, he says, 'This is my land.' And for any prime minister of Israel who decides he's going carve it up and give it away, God says, 'No. This is mine.'"

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1 posted on 01/06/2006 5:18:51 AM PST by Kjobs
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To: Kjobs

posted already I believe.


2 posted on 01/06/2006 5:20:40 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Kjobs

The man was speaking as if he were God. He is actually a delusional old man.


3 posted on 01/06/2006 5:22:43 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: Kjobs

Robertson's computer is suffering from an ID10T error.


4 posted on 01/06/2006 5:23:16 AM PST by Appalled but Not Surprised
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To: Kjobs

He's starting to sound like the Howard Dean of the religious right.


5 posted on 01/06/2006 5:25:30 AM PST by shekkian
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To: Kjobs

I heard a clip this morning from Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention. He took Robertson to task, but didn't say whether he was right or wrong.


6 posted on 01/06/2006 5:27:06 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: bert

It's one way to pimp his show.


7 posted on 01/06/2006 5:30:24 AM PST by Vaduz (and just think how clean the cities would become again.)
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To: Kjobs

Brother Pat ought to be real glad that Old Testament penalties are not in vogue. He'd have been stoned to death many times.


8 posted on 01/06/2006 5:34:33 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (The problem with being a 'big tent' Party is that the clowns are seated with the paying customers.)
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To: Kjobs

And is Pat Robertson America's punishment?


9 posted on 01/06/2006 5:35:04 AM PST by Stark_GOP
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To: Kjobs

One aspect of this is not being noticed. Robertson isn't alone in these kind of pronouncements. There are similar words being said in Israel, by some on the religious right.


10 posted on 01/06/2006 5:37:26 AM PST by samtheman
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To: samtheman
One aspect of this is not being noticed. Robertson isn't alone in these kind of pronouncements. There are similar words being said in Israel, by some on the religious right.

There are stupid people everywhere.

11 posted on 01/06/2006 5:43:58 AM PST by Smile-n-Win (Don't let her take things away from you on behalf of the public good!)
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To: Smile-n-Win

By my point isn't the stupidity of the statements (which is obvious) but the unspoken alliance.

A lot of those ultra-conservative Jews hate and fear the Christian Right in America, even though those Christians are the most dedicated allies Israel will ever have.

It's bizarre to me. I was talking to a conservative religious Israeli yesterday (by IM) and he kept telling me that the middle ages proves the Jews can't trust the Christians.

I tried to IM him a message along the lines of "Earth to Jews, this isn't the middle ages any more", but I don't think I got through the galactic barrier.


12 posted on 01/06/2006 5:47:29 AM PST by samtheman
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To: samtheman
I would never claim to speak for El-Shaddai but,

the 'punishment' scenario is a possibility.

13 posted on 01/06/2006 5:48:00 AM PST by freedomson (Tagline comment removed by moderator)
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To: Kjobs

Good read... I found this while researching this topic... BTW... Happy New.. I heven't posted in a while..

THE SUPREMACY OF GOD




In one of his letters to Erasmus, Luther said, "Your thoughts of God are too human." Probably that renowned scholar resented such a rebuke, the more so, since it proceeded from a miner’s son; nevertheless, it was thoroughly deserved. We too, though having no standing among the religious leaders of this degenerate age, prefer the same charge against the majority of the preachers of our day, and against those who, instead of searching the Scriptures for themselves, lazily accept the teaching of others. The most dishonoring and degrading conceptions of the rule and reign of the Almighty are now held almost everywhere. To countless thousands, even among those professing to be Christians, the God of the Scriptures is quite unknown.

Of old, God complained to an apostate Israel, Thou thoughtest that I was altogether as thyself. (Ps. 50:21). Such must now be His indictment against an apostate Christendom. Men imagine that the Most High is moved by sentiment, rather than actuated by principle. They suppose that His omnipotency is such an idle fiction that Satan is thwarting His designs on every side. They think that if He has formed any plan or purpose at all, then it must be like theirs, constantly subject to change. They openly declare that whatever power He possesses must be restricted, lest He invade the citadel of man’s "free will" and reduce him to a "machine." They lower the all efficacious Atonement, which has actually redeemed everyone for whom it was made, to a mere "remedy," which sin-sick souls may use if they feel disposed to; and they enervate the invincible work of the Holy Spirit to an "offer" of the Gospel which sinners may accept or reject as they please.

The "god" of this twentieth century no more resembles the Supreme Sovereign of Holy Writ than does the dim flickering of a candle the glory of the midday sun. The "god" who is now talked about in the average pulpit, spoken of in the ordinary Sunday School, mentioned in much of the religious literature of the day, and preached in most of the so-called Bible Conferences is the figment of human imagination, an invention of maudlin sentimentality. The heathen outside of the pale of Christendom form "gods" out of wood and stone, while the millions of heathen inside Christendom manufacture a "god" out of their own carnal mind. In reality, they are but atheists, for there is no other possible alternative between an absolutely supreme God, and no God at all. A "god" whose will is resisted, whose designs are frustrated, whose purpose is checkmated, possesses no title to Deity, and so far from being a fit object of worship, merits nought but contempt.

The supremacy of the true and living God might well be argued from the infinite distance which separates the mightiest creatures from the almighty Creator. He is the Potter, they are but the clay in His hands to be molded into vessels of honor, or to be dashed into pieces (Ps. 2-9) as He pleases. Were all the denizens of heaven and all the inhabitants of the earth to combine in revolt against Him, it would occasion Him no uneasiness, and would have less effect upon His eternal and unassailable Throne than has the spray of Mediterranean’s waves upon the towering rocks of Gibraltar. So puerile and powerless is the creature to affect the Most High, Scripture itself tells us that when the Gentile heads unite with apostate Israel to defy Jehovah and His Christ, "He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh" (Ps. 2:4).

The absolute and universal supremacy of God is plainly and positively affirmed in many scriptures. "Thine, O Lord, is the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory and the majesty: for all in the heaven and all in the earth is Thine; Thine is the Kingdom, O Lord, and Thou art exalted as Head above all. . . .And Thou reignest over all" (1 Chron. 29:11, 12)—note reignest now, not "will do so in the Millennium." "O Lord God of our fathers, art not Thou, God in heaven? and rulest not Thou over all the kingdoms of the heathen? and in Thine hand is there not power and might, so that none (not even the Devil himself) is able to withstand Thee?" (2 Chron. 20:6). Before Him presidents and popes, kings and emperors, are less than grasshoppers.

"But He is in one mind, and who can turn Him? and what His soul desireth, even that He doeth" (Job 23:13). Ah, my reader, the God of Scripture is no make-believe monarch, no mere imaginary sovereign, but King of kings, and Lord of lords. "I know that Thou canst do everything, and that no thought of Thine can be hindered" (Job 42:3, margin), or, as another translator, "no purpose of Thine can be frustrated." All that He has designed He does. All that He has decreed, He performs. "But our God is in the heavens: He hath done whatsoever He hath pleased" (Psa. 115.3); and why has He? Because "there is no wisdom, nor understanding, nor counsel against the Lord" (Prov 21:30).

God’s supremacy over the works of His hands is vividly depicted in Scripture. Inanimate matter, irrational creatures, all perform their Maker’s bidding. At His pleasure the Red Sea divided and its waters stood up as walls (Ex. 14); and the earth opened her mouth, and guilty rebels went down alive into the pit (Num. 14). When He so ordered, the sun stood still (Josh. 10); and on another occasion went backward ten degrees on the dial of Ahaz (Isa. 38:8). To exemplify His supremacy, He made ravens carry food to Elijah (1 Kings 17), iron to swim on top of the waters (2 Kings 6:5), lions to be tame when Daniel was cast into their den, fire to burn not when the three Hebrews were flung into its flames. Thus "Whatsoever the Lord pleased, that did He in heaven, and in earth, in the seas, and all deep places" (Psa. 135:6).

God’s supremacy is also demonstrated in His perfect rule over the wills of men. Let the reader ponder carefully Ex. 34:24. Three times in the year all the males of Israel were required to leave their homes and go up to Jerusalem. They lived in the midst of hostile people, who hated them for having appropriated their lands. What, then, was to hinder the Canaanites from seizing their opportunity, and, during the absence of the men, slaying the women and children and taking possession of their farms? If the hand of the Almighty was not upon the wills even of wicked men, how could He make this promise beforehand, that none should so much as "desire" their lands? Ah, "The king’s heart is in the hand of the Lord, as the rivers of water: He turneth it whithersoever He will" (Prov. 21:1).

But, it may be objected, do we not read again and again in Scripture how that men defied God, resisted His will, broke His commandments, disregarded His warnings, and turned a deaf ear to all His exhortations? Certainly we do. And does this nullify all that we have said above? If it does, then the Bible plainly contradicts itself. But that cannot be. What the objector refers to is simply the wickedness of man against the external word of God, whereas what we have mentioned above is what God has purposed in Himself. The rule of conduct He has given us to walk by, is perfectly fulfilled by none of us; His own eternal "counsels" are accomplished to their minutest details.

The absolute and universal supremacy of God is affirmed with equal plainness and positiveness in the New Testament. There we are told that God "worketh all things after the counsel of His own will" (Eph. 1:11)—the Greek for "worketh" means to work effectually. For this reason we read, "For of Him, and through Him, and to Him are all things: to whom be glory forever. Amen" (Rom. 11:36). Men may boast that they are free agents, with a will of their own, and are at liberty to do as they please, but Scripture says to those who boast "we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell...Ye ought to say, If the Lord will" (Jas. 4:13,15)!

Here then is a sure resting-place for the heart. Our lives are neither the product of blind fate nor the result of capricious chance, but every detail of them was ordained from all eternity. and is now ordered by the living and reigning God. Not a hair of our heads can be touched without His permission. "A man’s heart deviseth his way: but the Lord directeth his steps" (Prov. 16:9). What assurance, what strength, what comfort should this give the real Christian! "My times are in Thy hand" (Ps. 31:15). Then let me "Rest in the Lord, and wait patiently for Him" (Ps. 37:7).

Now get back to the OFST .... :-)





14 posted on 01/06/2006 5:56:44 AM PST by johnk (faithful with little....)
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To: Echo Talon

Several times. I usually do not mind duplicaate post but this is beating a dead horse.


15 posted on 01/06/2006 6:19:41 AM PST by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: Kjobs

I'm sure that there is spiritual significance to this happening. However, that aside, this man should keep his mouth shut. He is a false prophet that doesn't realize that he just looks sillier and sillier all the time. He seems to have a knack for saying the innappropriate at all times. Not only that, it doesn't help Christianity by making it look like we're all a bunch of nutcases. Sheesh!


16 posted on 01/06/2006 6:21:59 AM PST by Shery (S. H. in APOland)
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To: samtheman

Is Robertson right? Did he misquote the Bible?


17 posted on 01/06/2006 6:27:09 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: bert

In 1983-84 I use to watch his program several times a week. At the time, we were living in Utah in a small town, and hungry for kindred spirits. Unfortunately, he is definitely in his dotage.


18 posted on 01/06/2006 6:27:36 AM PST by Irish Queen
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To: Kjobs
"US evangelical broadcaster Pat Robertson suggested Ariel Sharon's stroke was divine retribution for 'dividing God's land' of Israel, igniting his latest trademark controversy..."

Why am I not surprized to see this is Patbabble?

19 posted on 01/06/2006 6:30:11 AM PST by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: shekkian
He's starting to sound like the Howard Dean of the religious right.

Starting?

20 posted on 01/06/2006 6:55:54 AM PST by Thermalseeker
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