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Ways sought to end overcrowding in homes
The Washington Times ^ | 1-6-06 | Keyonna Summers

Posted on 01/06/2006 11:26:01 AM PST by JZelle

Several local officials -- facing overcrowding problems in their respective jurisdictions -- support the recent suspension of a ban on extended family members living under one roof in Manassas but said localities still must find a way to deter illegal aliens and others from cramming into single-family homes. "Overcrowding is a problem in a number of our neighborhoods and we have to find some way to address that problem [but] I don't believe the government can tell families which relatives can live with them," said Gerald E. Connolly, a Democrat who is chairman of the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors. "Manassas made an earnest effort to come up with some sort of enforcement mechanism to limit overcrowding," said Sean T. Connaughton, a Republican who is at-large chairman of the Prince William Board of County Supervisors. "We're facing the same types of challenges in the county [because] the problem has arisen very quickly. ... For all of us in local government this has been a very difficult issue to get our arms around." Their comments come after Manassas officials decided to suspend -- and possibly repeal -- a zoning ordinance that states a household may consist of only immediate relatives plus an unrelated person, and that extended relatives, including aunts, uncles and cousins, do not factor into the "family" equation. Adopted last month, the ordinance drew criticism from civil rights and fair housing groups who called the city's definition of "family" an unconstitutional government probe into the personal matters of families. Manassas officials on Wednesday recanted their position after the American Civil Liberties Union of Virginia threatened to sue the city, saying the ordinance targeted Hispanic immigrants who residents and lawmakers blame for overcrowding in neighborhoods throughout Northern Virginia.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: daylaborers; fairfaxco; illegalaliens; immigration; landuse; overcrowding; princewilliamco; va; zoning
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1 posted on 01/06/2006 11:26:05 AM PST by JZelle
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To: JZelle

Amazing... How many people live in your house is now a government issue too.


2 posted on 01/06/2006 11:27:41 AM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: JZelle
LOL! Nice euphemism for "We don't want twenty illegal aliens living in every house in our town!" Enforce the immigration laws, and this little zoning crisis ceases to be an issue.
3 posted on 01/06/2006 11:29:44 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: TChris

Only when all 15 people in a small 2 bedroom townhouse are illegal immigrants.


4 posted on 01/06/2006 11:31:19 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights (GOP, The Other France)
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To: JZelle

Those racists!

(In light of this statement, please ignore my tagline.)


5 posted on 01/06/2006 11:32:56 AM PST by Disambiguator (Making accusations of racism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.)
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To: JZelle

Address illegal immigration directly, instead of its symptoms.


6 posted on 01/06/2006 11:35:31 AM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
Only when all 15 people in a small 2 bedroom townhouse are illegal immigrants.

Then the housing issue is really a proxy for the illegal immigration issue. That's a bad idea.

It's like trying to eliminate houseflies by declaring open season on things with wings.

7 posted on 01/06/2006 11:35:45 AM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: TChris

"Amazing... How many people live in your house is now a government issue too.

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These ordinances are pretty common. Most cities have some sort of restriction on unrelated people living in single-family residences.

Oddly, they started out mostly as a way to keep whole crews of college kids renting a house and piling into it. You know, 8 old junkers on the street. Old couches on the lawn. Parties til dawn. That sorta thing


These days, it's immigrant families that are the concern. The college kids are all living in nice apartments these days, paid for by their long-suffering parents.


8 posted on 01/06/2006 11:36:09 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: clee1
Since the federal government won't enforce immigration law this may be the way the local governments way of trying to deal with it.
9 posted on 01/06/2006 11:50:59 AM PST by PreviouslyA-Lurker (...where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2 Corinthians 3:16-18)
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To: albertp; Allosaurs_r_us; Abram; AlexandriaDuke; Americanwolf; Annie03; Baby Bear; bassmaner; ...
we have to find some way to address that problem [but] I don't believe the government can tell families which relatives can live with them,"

I agree now we have to find and impeach all the government officials that passed this law the first time around that thought it was the place of the government to tell families what relatives could live with them

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10 posted on 01/06/2006 11:51:42 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: MineralMan

Really, if it's a local zoning issue, that's within the local jurisdictions rights (or should be). Just like you cannot run commercial ventures in residential areas etc.

However, I do think they need to address the illegal alien issue directly, not just consequences that bother them.

susie


11 posted on 01/06/2006 11:52:25 AM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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To: JZelle
Ways sought to end overcrowding in homes

This is the only effective wayto end overcrowding in homes that i can think of :-)


12 posted on 01/06/2006 11:54:30 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: JZelle

easy: SEND. THE ILLEGALS. HOME.


13 posted on 01/06/2006 12:03:49 PM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: TChris

Many homes are strictly zoned (by the local government) as a "single family dwelling". This ensures that the home will not be rented out, en masse, as a business and upset a residential neighborhood.

Live next to one of these "homes" and you may think different.
1. Ten cars in the driveway, street and LAWN.
2. 24-hour operations. One crew is getting ready for work and another crew is starting a post-work party at 2am.
2. HIGH CRIME. Usually, these homes are rented out to individuals (not groups of families) and resemble more of a college frat on crack(you don't want to live next to one of those, either). You can't even let your kids out into the yard.

We're not talking about The Waltons, with grandma and grandpa, here.


14 posted on 01/06/2006 12:04:08 PM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Mr. Jeeves
It seems to me, in my untutored ignrance, that the solution to this problem would be for local authorities who receive overcrowding complaints from citizens to take a quick look at the subjecs of the complaints and, if it looks like they are probably a bunch of illegals, refer the matter to the INS. If the INS then investigated and actually did something about the problem, the problem would quickly go away.
15 posted on 01/06/2006 12:13:04 PM PST by libstripper
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To: JZelle
Manassas should just zone x number of square feet per resident. For example, 250sq. ft. for an adult and 150sq. ft. for children under 12.
16 posted on 01/06/2006 12:16:11 PM PST by Doohickey (If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice...I will choose freewill.)
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To: TChris

I understand..........a piss poor way to take care of a problem. Sad commentary on the way the illegal immigration issue has been handled.


17 posted on 01/06/2006 12:38:44 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights (GOP, The Other France)
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To: TChris

Not just immigration. We had a couple that was bringing foreign students into the country. Looked like 8-10 at a time were living with them. First thing they did was get a car and try to learn how to drive. Almost hit the neighbor. Of course, they paid rent to the couple and received in state tuition based on the address. We HAD to stop them and got them to cease. They moved almost immediately. Good scam while it lasted.


18 posted on 01/06/2006 12:59:08 PM PST by doodad
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To: freepatriot32
This is the only effective wayto end overcrowding in homes that i can think of :-)

ROFL! I don't know, socialized medicine would also work well to deal with overpopulation!
19 posted on 01/06/2006 1:04:25 PM PST by proud_yank (Guns cause crime like forks cause Michael Moore to be fat.)
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To: doodad

I worked on a similar problem here. Finally, the police raided the crowded mobile homes bringing the fire department and INS. There must be safety and sanitation public health issues connected with overcrowding.


20 posted on 01/06/2006 1:06:23 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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