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HIV Bombers. Al-Qaeda's plot to infect troops with AIDS virus
UK Mirror ^ | Jan. 8, 2005 | Rupert Hamer

Posted on 01/08/2006 3:53:00 PM PST by FairOpinion

AL-QAEDA is recruiting suicide bombers who are infected with the AIDS virus, according to documents revealed to the Sunday Mirror.

Terror chiefs are also targeting fanatics who suffer other lethal blood diseases such as hepatitis and dengue fever in order to increase their "kill rate" from an explosion. The chilling new threat is revealed in papers distributed to British military camps in Iraq and across Europe.

Under the heading "HIV/Hepatitis" the document states: "There is evidence that terrorists might be deliberately recruiting volunteers with diseases that are spread by blood transference."

Experts have found that bones and other blood-spattered fragments from a suicide bomber could penetrate the skin of a victim 50 metres away and infect them.

In the papers (part of which is summarised above) soldiers are warned to wear special protective clothing when on guard duty or if they have to deal with casualties in the event of an attack.

All bases must also have snipers hidden behind blast-proof defences ready to take out would-be suicide bombers. The guidelines were issued following the 7/7 London bombings which left 52 dead and injured hundreds more.

Spy chiefs have also examined other attacks, including a car-bombing on the Black Watch in central Iraq which killed three soldiers a year ago.

Last night an MoD spokesman confirmed that bases had been made aware of the new threat.

He added: "The Army go to great lengths to prepare our soldiers for every eventuality."


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aids; alqaeda; alqaida; bioterror; fisa; gwot; hiv; homosexualagenda; iraq; jihad; nsa; spying; terrorattack; terrorism; terrorists; waronterror; whatmuslimsdo; wiretap; wot
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Does anyone think that Al Qaeda isn't planning to infect people right here in the US with deadly diseases, if they can?

But of course, we wouldn't want to intercept their phone calls,when they talk to the terrorists already in the US, do we, we might actually find out and prevent an attack, and save thousands of innocent lives. Much better to just ignore those phone calls. (/sarcasm)

1 posted on 01/08/2006 3:53:01 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

Looks like al-Qaeda is trying to get into the San Fran-sicko bathouse business...


2 posted on 01/08/2006 3:55:22 PM PST by ExcursionGuy84 ("Jesus, Your Love takes my breath away.")
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To: FairOpinion
Highly recommended editorials:

The Wisdom in Wiretaps. Bush critics seek war-powers loopholes to benefit terrorists.

Mark Steyn: Mark Steyn: U.S. shouldn't have to do tap dance over bugging

"It's very hard to fight a terrorist war without intelligence. By definition, you can only win battles against terrorists pre-emptively -- that's to say, you find out what they're planning to do next Thursday and you stop it cold on Wednesday. Capturing them on Friday while you're still pulling your dead from the rubble is poor consolation.

...if the Democrats have their way, all terrorist cells in Europe or Pakistan would have to do to put themselves beyond the reach of U.S. intelligence is get a New Jersey-based associate to place a bulk order for Verizon cell phones."

3 posted on 01/08/2006 3:56:51 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

HIV and hepatitis? It would be unfortunate for the soldeiers and their intimate contacts, but how are those diseases going to deliver any real punch to the US? They are too slow.


4 posted on 01/08/2006 3:57:01 PM PST by Wage Slave
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To: FairOpinion
Bioterrorism, plain and simple.
5 posted on 01/08/2006 3:58:05 PM PST by Marty
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To: FairOpinion
They're scraping the bottom of the barrel, once again.

But if they recruit enough people infected with AIDS, will the UN start funding Al Queda since they're an 'impacted organization'?
6 posted on 01/08/2006 3:58:10 PM PST by kingu
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To: KylaStarr; Cindy; StillProud2BeFree; nw_arizona_granny; Velveeta; Dolphy; appalachian_dweller; ...

This is just sick...well, AQ is sick; but this is sicker than sick.


7 posted on 01/08/2006 3:58:27 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: FairOpinion

I thought the Mirror was like our National Inquirer

check out lane trash


8 posted on 01/08/2006 3:58:37 PM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: kingu

I thought they have been funding them from the start....

See Oil for food investigation


9 posted on 01/08/2006 3:59:39 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: sure_fine

It is. And, like the Enquirer, no one believes what is in it unless it is something they already want to believe.


10 posted on 01/08/2006 4:00:57 PM PST by lugsoul ("Try not to be sad." - Laura Bush)
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To: FairOpinion

We had better stop fighting these people before we make them mad.


11 posted on 01/08/2006 4:01:10 PM PST by billhilly
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To: blueslover; sandan

THIS is why there are wiretaps on terrorists without first getting warrants.
It is best to intercept this sort of thing before it gets HERE rather than waiting for it to happen.
Would you rather wait for the bad guys to pull this sort of thing in Iraq, Afghanistan, or the U.S. before doing something about it?


12 posted on 01/08/2006 4:01:21 PM PST by Darksheare (Beware the waddling Penguin Invaders from Ursa Minor!)
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To: Wage Slave

terror


13 posted on 01/08/2006 4:01:38 PM PST by elfman2
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To: FairOpinion

The chilling new threat >>

Chilling? Try ridiculous.


14 posted on 01/08/2006 4:03:05 PM PST by Appalled but Not Surprised
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To: Wage Slave

any real punch to the US? They are too slow.


It's called terror for a reason.

It's the same reason that they target children and women.
The tool they hope to use is fear .

If they can put that fear in the minds of the general population, then public opinion may be effected.

Look around you ... there are a lot of people who would trade their freedom for safty.


15 posted on 01/08/2006 4:03:10 PM PST by THEUPMAN (#### comment deleted by moderator)
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To: FairOpinion

Biowarfare. It is illegal per treaty, but to terrorists not a problem.


16 posted on 01/08/2006 4:03:19 PM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: FairOpinion

Bioterror was only a matter of time..


17 posted on 01/08/2006 4:03:25 PM PST by xcamel (Exposing clandestine operations is treason. 13 knots make a noose.)
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To: FairOpinion
In the Middle Ages, they catapulted plague-ridden bodies into enemy ships and camps.
18 posted on 01/08/2006 4:03:26 PM PST by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: Wage Slave

They could also get people from Africa infected with Ebola, and just put them on a plane to the US.


19 posted on 01/08/2006 4:03:46 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

The odds of HIV transmission during any one sex act is actually quite small, and that's with a lot of fluid swapping going on. I think a bomb splashing people with HIV blood would be almost entirely ineffective.


20 posted on 01/08/2006 4:04:09 PM PST by Phocion ("Protection" really means exploiting the consumer. - Milton Friedman)
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To: THEUPMAN

http://www.biohazardnews.net/binladen.shtml

Biological and Chemical Weapons Bin Laden's Next Move?

In a recent article in Jane's Intelligence Review, Rand corporation expert Dr. Peter Chalk estimates that the capability to produce biological weapons has spread to at least 17 countries, citing indications that "sub-state terrorist organizations, including Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda, have an active interest in developing BT (bio-terrorism) capability."

U.S. administration officials who monitor bin Laden's activities warn that his terrorist organization is already working with weapons of mass destruction. Satellite pictures of dead animals on test ranges suggest that the terrorists have experimented with chemical or biological weapons at a training camp in eastern Afghanistan.

Testimony in a 1999 Egyptian trial of 107 suspected terrorists suggest that the al-Qaeda network might have negotiated to purchase biological weapons such as anthrax and the Ebola virus. A leading terrorist, associated with al Qaeda, said to a reporter during the trial that Osama bin Laden and his top aide, Islamic Jihad leader Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri, had bought both biological and chemical agents and made a list of 100 U.S. and Israeli targets for such attacks.

The court was told that suspected terrorists connected to bin Laden had admitted to buying germ agents by mail for $3,865. Samples of the Ebola virus and salmonella bacteria were offered for sale to the bin Laden associates by factories in Eastern Europe. Another supplier in Southeast Asia made an agreement with the terrorists to sell "samples of anthrax", while a lab in the Czech Republic agreed to sell botulinum toxin for $7,500.


21 posted on 01/08/2006 4:06:07 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

Isn't the Mirror a tabloid?


22 posted on 01/08/2006 4:06:21 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: FairOpinion

Isn't the Mirror a tabloid?


23 posted on 01/08/2006 4:06:23 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: Wage Slave

you are right... who is the misinformed "reporter"?

pass out hep c, most people will outlive their disease with very few complications

pass out hiv.... what is it a 10 year incubation? and thats if the virus is activated.

obviously these are effective short run tools with an efficient kill ratio


24 posted on 01/08/2006 4:07:06 PM PST by jackson29
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To: FairOpinion
"It's very hard to fight a terrorist war without intelligence"

Thats what our liberals are doing, trying to dictate how to fight a war, when they have zero intelligence.

Hell, no need for terrorists to try to spread aids, the liberals want queers in the military!...sarc.
25 posted on 01/08/2006 4:07:30 PM PST by Beagle8U (An "Earth First" kinda guy ( when we finish logging here, we'll start on the other planets.)
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To: ExcursionGuy84
you said: Looks like al-Qaeda is trying to get into the San Fran-sicko bathouse business...

What are you thinking...they would never do anything to help America...

26 posted on 01/08/2006 4:07:38 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver (Most Americans are so spoiled with freedom they have no idea what it takes to earn and keep it.)
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To: kingu

The UN has been supporting Al-Qaeda all along.


27 posted on 01/08/2006 4:07:47 PM PST by thoughtomator (Illegal immigrants come to America for a better life - yours!)
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To: jackson29

The point is that it would increase the demand by the US public and Dems in Congress to withdraw our troops NOW!

Obviously running away from Al Qaeda is the best defense (/sarcasm).

All AQ has to do is kill a few hostages, infect a few soldiers with some diseases and the US public obligingly surrenders and converts to Islam. Bin Laden is still operating on the evidence of their attack in Somalia -- a few people die, US obligingly runs home with its tail between its legs.

President Bush isn't going to do it, but if there is sufficient public outcry, he may not have a choice. AQ are fighting the public opinion war, where with the Dems help, they are gaining.


28 posted on 01/08/2006 4:10:15 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: Wage Slave
"...how are those diseases going to deliver any real punch to the US? They are too slow."

It's terror tactic intended to affect troop moral.

29 posted on 01/08/2006 4:11:23 PM PST by blam
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To: Darksheare

I think the soldier who kills the most alQueda scum should get a new house as a thank you.


30 posted on 01/08/2006 4:11:23 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all our troops at home and abroad!!)
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To: FairOpinion

The prime recruiting grounds, they have the vruses and diseases and the hate America attitude.

31 posted on 01/08/2006 4:12:01 PM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: FairOpinion

That would be real terrorism. It would terrify me.


32 posted on 01/08/2006 4:13:38 PM PST by Wage Slave
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To: jackson29

And it would take at least 20 years to ascertain the kill rate. I hope they're really as dumb as this. ;D


33 posted on 01/08/2006 4:15:18 PM PST by Wage Slave
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To: stephenjohnbanker

There was something awhile back about terrorists looking to use sick people to spread such fine diseases as smallpox and other fun diseases.

The sooner Al-Qaeda is annihilated, the sooner we don't have to find out whether they are seriously looking into this.


34 posted on 01/08/2006 4:16:41 PM PST by Darksheare (Beware the waddling Penguin Invaders from Ursa Minor!)
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To: blam

It could be effective as that. But I don't know how they're going to find any infected Muslims, as they are all pure followers of Allah. Maybe they'll tie them up and inject them with the virus.


35 posted on 01/08/2006 4:18:45 PM PST by Wage Slave
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To: xcamel

Al Qaeda's Bio Weapons

WASHINGTON, March 31, 2005

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/31/terror/main684449.shtml


Al Qaeda had progressed much further toward developing a particular biological weapon before the Sept. 11 attacks than the United States realized, the presidential commission investigating intelligence on weapons of mass destruction found.

The intelligence community was surprised by al Qaeda's advances in a virulent strain in the disease, identified by the commission only as "Agent X" to prevent al Qaeda from knowing what the U.S. government has learned.

The discovery of al Qaeda's work came only after the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan removed the Taliban from power, the report says.

"Al Qaeda's biological program was further along, particularly with regard to Agent X, than pre-war intelligence indicated," the report says. "The program was extensive, well-organized, and operated for two years before September 11, but intelligence insights into the program were limited."

It was not so advanced that al Al Qaeda had a functioning weapon, the report says.

U.S. officials have previously said they found signs of al Qaeda's work in anthrax weapons in Afghanistan, but it was not clear if "Agent X" referred to anthrax. Other diseases that may be turned into weapons include smallpox, plague and ebola.

"We found that just prior to the war in Afghanistan in 2001, the Intelligence Community was able to correctly assess al Qaeda's limited ability to use unconventional weapons to inflict mass casualties," the report says. "Yet when the war uncovered new evidence of WMD efforts, analysts were surprised by the intentions and level of research and development underway by al Qaeda. Had this new information not been acquired, and had al Qaeda been allowed to continue weapons development, a future intelligence failure could have been in the offing."


36 posted on 01/08/2006 4:19:21 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: Darksheare

We need to kill so many of them that they get depressed and/or demoralized to the point they announce a new DEVIL, and leave us alone.


37 posted on 01/08/2006 4:31:44 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all our troops at home and abroad!!)
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To: FairOpinion

There's an old saying, about getting folks to church that I think is aptly applied here with a bit of modification:

Each one get one ; )

Only in America, we're more generous. It's a 6 or 7 to 1 ratio, especially if we're flying.


38 posted on 01/08/2006 4:36:02 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: FairOpinion

No word from the US who is still waiting on a warrant.


39 posted on 01/08/2006 4:36:11 PM PST by Smartaleck
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To: kingu

the musi's with aids would rather blow themselves up for allah and 72 virgin boys than be wrapped in a sheet and stoned as a pervert.


40 posted on 01/08/2006 4:37:53 PM PST by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: FairOpinion

Pork Blood Bombs would be nice thing to develop.


41 posted on 01/08/2006 4:50:12 PM PST by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death"( Al-Qaeda & Democratic Party)
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To: FairOpinion
The chilling new threat...

There were a couple documented cases in 2001-2002 of hepititis B tainted bone fragments from Palestinian suicide bombers getting imbedded in Israeli survivors and they have been vaccinating the survivors ever since.

42 posted on 01/08/2006 4:57:56 PM PST by idkfa
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To: FairOpinion

Quite the come down from 9/11.

Now, our men have to watch out for terrorist chicks with STD's.

Guy STD terrorists for the "boys".


43 posted on 01/08/2006 5:00:04 PM PST by OldArmy52
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To: ExcursionGuy84

"bathhouse business"

I think they are just trying to find more reasons to continue to infect kids before they blow them up.


44 posted on 01/08/2006 5:09:59 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Calpernia; FairOpinion; All
Terrorists are evil and evil is evil. It's not the first time that disease has been considered as a possible weapon by the terrorists.

NEW SCIENTIST.com: "SUICIDE BOMBERS MAY SPREAD DISEASE" (July 24, 2002) (Read More...)

45 posted on 01/08/2006 5:11:03 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Wage Slave

In 20 years most if not all of these Islamic scum will be history.


46 posted on 01/08/2006 5:19:03 PM PST by Farmer Dean (Every time a toilet flushes,another liberal gets his brains.)
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To: FairOpinion

Al Qaeda is not gaining, we are winning this war on terror and will eventually achieve the ultimate victory. Stop your stupid pessimism.


47 posted on 01/08/2006 5:22:24 PM PST by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: FairOpinion
How long can HIV live outside the human body?

Scientists and medical authorities agree that HIV does not survive well outside the body, making the possibility of environmental transmission remote. HIV is found in varying concentrations or amounts in blood, semen, vaginal fluid, breast milk, saliva, and tears. To obtain data on the survival of HIV, laboratory studies have required the use of artificially high concentrations of laboratory-grown virus. Although these unnatural concentrations of HIV can be kept alive for days or even weeks under precisely controlled and limited laboratory conditions, CDC studies have shown that drying of even these high concentrations of HIV reduces the amount of infectious virus by 90 to 99 percent within several hours. Since the HIV concentrations used in laboratory studies are much higher than those actually found in blood or other specimens, drying of HIV-infected human blood or other body fluids reduces the theoretical risk of environmental transmission to that which has been observed - essentially zero. Incorrect interpretations of conclusions drawn from laboratory studies have in some instances caused unnecessary alarm.

Results from laboratory studies should not be used to assess specific personal risk of infection because (1) the amount of virus studied is not found in human specimens or elsewhere in nature, and (2) no one has been identified as infected with HIV due to contact with an environmental surface. Additionally, HIV is unable to reproduce outside its living host (unlike many bacteria or fungi, which may do so under suitable conditions), except under laboratory conditions; therefore, it does not spread or maintain infectiousness outside its host (CDC: National Center for HIV, STD and TB Prevention Divisions of HIV/AIDS Prevention

http://www.aids-ir.org/EN/About_HIV-AIDS.html#04

48 posted on 01/08/2006 5:27:42 PM PST by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: FairOpinion

I don't understand why the left is so determined to protect the enemy from discovery of their plans for mor WTCs and such. Another successful attack will pretty much eliminate the lefties from influence on foreign policy and the war. And besides they should be looking forward to getting their hands on things like the Homeland Security Dept, with all its surveillance powers intact. They will have a lot of use for that, though for the Democrats, it is a domestic utility with not much relevance to things foreign.


49 posted on 01/08/2006 5:31:01 PM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Phocion

"I think a bomb splashing people with HIV blood would be almost entirely ineffective."

It isn't the blood splash, it's the bone slivers that get embedded. That said, I don't know what the threat level is in reality. If you are close enough to get bone slivers, you are probably dead anyway.


50 posted on 01/08/2006 5:46:58 PM PST by FastCoyote
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