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SUPREME COURT UPHOLDS OREGON'S SUICIDE LAW
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Posted on 01/17/2006 7:07:26 AM PST by SoFloFreeper

BREAKING ON THE AP WIRE:

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court has upheld Oregon's one-of-a-kind physician-assisted suicide law, rejecting a Bush administration attempt to punish doctors who help terminally ill patients die.


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To: SoFloFreeper

Another nail in the coffin of seatbelt mandates, seems to me, if someone who doesn't live in New Hampshire wants to appeal it up.

If you have the right to hire a doctor to help you commit suicide, the idea that you don't have the right to risk injury by not wearing a seatbelt is rather absurd.


201 posted on 01/17/2006 8:18:41 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Wolfie

The good thing is that they actually allowed the state to decide this issue, which could bode well for states that would like to legalize medical marijuana.


202 posted on 01/17/2006 8:18:52 AM PST by Quick1
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To: SoFloFreeper

This decision seems to confirm Rush's statement yesterday that if Alito is confirmed, it will still be 5-4 on the liberal side.

I'm delighted that Roberts joined Scalia and Thomas in voting for life. If Alito is confirmed that will make 4 conservatives. So, the moral of the story is that we need at least one more conservative on the court before we can start moving back in the right direction.

If people want to commit suicide, there is no practicable way to stop them. But the law should not support suicide any more than it supports murder. In traditional Christian thinking, suicide is worse than murder.

I sympathize with those who support states rights. But there can be no right to kill, with the sole exceptions of justice through capital punishment and just warfare. The basic constitutional freedoms are "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Life is the most fundamental right of all, and it is INALIENABLE.

Well, back to the drawing board. We MUST confirm Alito, but that still will not be enough to reverse the tide of death. So we must work to increase the number of conservative votes in the Senate, and we must hope that Bush gets another chance to appoint a conservative to SCOTUS.

Janice Rogers Brown.


203 posted on 01/17/2006 8:18:59 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Disgusting ruling but let me ask this: how does this decision impact abortion? Can it no be argued that the practice of abortion should be left to the states?


204 posted on 01/17/2006 8:19:30 AM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: antiRepublicrat

Because Ruth Bader Ginsberg and John Paul Stevens are such states right advocates.


205 posted on 01/17/2006 8:19:59 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Yes. The man really does have a dog named "Splash".)
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To: lawdude
"We wanted Justices that would follow the constitution."

Exactly. We screamed about judicial activism and strictly interpreting the Constitution. Now when the court comes down on the side of states rights some want to flip-flop when the decision doesn't fit their personal beliefs. Like John Kerry, you can't have it both ways if you want to be taken seriously.

206 posted on 01/17/2006 8:20:19 AM PST by blaquebyrd
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To: Fishtalk
Now I understand someone in a coma and all that. Plus other extenuating cases. But if a person has a terminable disease and doesn't want to live then that person, or his/her loved ones, can somehow, someway, get medicine that can be overdosed with no pain.

Do you realize how many people a year survive an overdose? Having a doctor prescribe the correct dosage for the patient, prescribing a medication that will cause a pleasant death versus a death wracked in pain, vomiting, hallucinations etc is another. There is a real reason why Doctors should be involved in this issue.

Why on earth does this country insist on getting the medical profession all involved in this matter? Doctors are supposed to HEAL people, not kill them.

Agreed, yet what do doctors do when our medical abilities are overwhelmed by the disease? When the only "healing" a doctor can do is prescribe pain medications or put the patient into a condition where they have no idea what is going on? That isn't healing. That is waiting for death to take over.

Of course I must mention the lovely Dr. Kavorkian who got his rocks off killing people. THAT's the sort of doctor who wants to kill people as I see it.

Kevorkian made the mistake of not "helping" those who were terminal, instead he opted to assit in the suicide of those who believed their quality of life was too low to live anymore. That was his biggest mistake and is paying for it now, as he should be.

If you kill your own self, what? they gonna put you in jail?

But oh no. We found a way to make money at it! We can create our own little dying industry. For a small fee, of course.

Not to mention, then I'll shut up, the abuse such a system foments. Like another poster mentioned, soon, given the slippery slope, we'll have OTHER people making decisions to end the lives of those who are a burden.


We already have an industry making money off of death. It's called hospice and rakes in billions a year.

As I stated in a previous post, I have a HUGE problem with a third party making the decision to end a persons life. That goes for the Schiavo case, abortion etc. Yet, if a person of sound mind, facing a few months to live, where all medical intervention has failed, I have less of a problem with that person making the decision for themselves.

I hope this case does not turn into a slippery slope, as Roe did. However, in the end, as with Roe this is a states issue and on that basis the SC's ruled correctly.
207 posted on 01/17/2006 8:21:02 AM PST by Brytani (Democrats - destroying America since 1868)
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To: antiRepublicrat

In other words they allow people to kill themselves with controlled substances. Does this mean that someone wanting to kill themselves can get around federal gun laws, if a gun and not an injection is the method of choice.


208 posted on 01/17/2006 8:21:36 AM PST by HapaxLegamenon
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To: eyespysomething; SoFloFreeper
I am uncomfortable with the feds being involved with everything. I believe abortion should be a state issue also.

The real test of whether you're a constitutional conservative is holding to the principles even when you disagree.

For example, I think abortion should be legal (although restricted, but I don't want to take that tangent away from the point). But I also think Roe v. Wade was an unconstitutional intrusion into the sovereignty of the states. I know this would result in abortion being illegal in many states, but I don't care, as that individual issue is subordinate to constitutional principles.

209 posted on 01/17/2006 8:22:30 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

Sadly, some people would, and they need to be guarded against as much as the far left.


210 posted on 01/17/2006 8:22:56 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: johnmecainrino

"Specter is a fool...."

No he's their enabler.


211 posted on 01/17/2006 8:22:56 AM PST by Sweetjustusnow (Oust the IslamoCommies here and abroad.)
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To: Mr. Brightside; greasepaint
I wonder if the same rationale will be used in abortion cases.

Now that's a good question.....
212 posted on 01/17/2006 8:22:56 AM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: greasepaint

I imagine that is the legal basis for the ruling.


213 posted on 01/17/2006 8:24:45 AM PST by wouldntbprudent
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To: Mr. Brightside
I wonder if the same rationale will be used in abortion cases.
I was just telling a friend in Oregon who was happy about this decision "you know, this could be a kep precedent in overturning Roe".

I agree with the decision as far as the idea it should be a state function, though I think involving the medical profession in suicide is an extremely dangerous and corrupting concept.

-Eric

214 posted on 01/17/2006 8:24:48 AM PST by E Rocc (If I'm IBTZ, the thread gets pulled)
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To: antiRepublicrat

There is that little thing in the Constitution called "the right to life"


215 posted on 01/17/2006 8:25:47 AM PST by Sweetjustusnow (Oust the IslamoCommies here and abroad.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
How? The constitutional issue here is federal power over the states, not suicide.

Yeah, like this one (below) on the same issue? The federal courts are into POWER, and liberal politics, not states rights.

Washington State
On January 25, 1994, Compassion in Dying initiated a legal challenge of Washington State's prohibition against assisted suicide, RCW 9A.36.060. On May 3, 1994, Federal Judge Barbara J. Rothstein rendered a decision declaring the law unconstitutional. On March 9, 1995, a 3-Judge Panel of the Ninth District Court of Appeals overturned the District Court (2-1). On March 6, 1996 the Ninth District Court (en banc) reinstated the District Court ruling.

216 posted on 01/17/2006 8:25:53 AM PST by vox_freedom (Fear no evils)
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To: Labyrinthos
But who's "right" is it? If I chose not to live, then how have I been deprived of a right? I also have a right to liberty and happiness, and if I voluntarily choose to liberate myself from a slow and painful death and seek happiness in the heavens above, then any attempt by government to stop me from killing myself is a deprivation of my Constitutional rights.

Oh absolutely. So long as YOU choose to kill yourself, meaning the mythical "you", then get a damn gun and do the deed. Again, I must ask, they gonna put you in jail?

Come on this matter is something the government, federal or state, should NOT even be getting involved in.

What's happening here is the beginning of state-sanctioned "suicide-mills", a real money-maker. Could even boost tourism.

It has nothing to do with states' rights, come on. If a state passes a law that allows mad husbands to kill their argumentative wives it doesn't mean it's okay just cause a state passed the law.

If you people don't see what's happening here then maybe it's me. But WHY do doctors et al have to get involved in this? It's something I don't think should be legislated in any matter. With no legislation, one can still handily kill themselves without their corpse being thrown in the slammer.

By even having such a thing on the books ANYWHERE, the door is opened. Who knows where this will lead. Depressed people can demand assisted suicide. In a moment of despair I can ask that I be freed from my pain. And don't give me that stuff about two doctors, so-called strict restrictions. I'm sure anyone can find two doctors to sign the form. Soon enough the lawmakers will begin making exceptions.

If it's that bad, do it YOURSELF, don't go demanding the lawmakers make laws just for little ole you. No one can stop you if it's what is really wanted.

217 posted on 01/17/2006 8:26:43 AM PST by Fishtalk
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To: johnmecainrino

Spectre's wrorse than a fool. Calling him a fool is painting him with whitewash.


218 posted on 01/17/2006 8:26:56 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: FourtySeven

I'm curious why you put legal suicide in quotes? Are you implying that suicide is illegal? There isn't a state in the union that will put you in jail for attempting it, and obviously none that will for succeeding.


219 posted on 01/17/2006 8:27:12 AM PST by Mr. Blonde (You know, Happy Time Harry, just being around you kinda makes me want to die.)
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To: HapaxLegamenon

I know what you mean about the FDA. This decision, as reported in the article, seems to weaken the FDA. And supports a "states' rights" view. But I agree that if the issue were abortion these majority justices wouldn't see it that way at all.

I'll have to read the opinions. Does anyone have a link? many thanks, in advance.

I am deeply troubled by the idea of assisted suicide. I understand the arguments on both sides.

But that's a policy argument. As far as the Constitutional arguments go, all I want to see is some consistency in application, rather than a gut-reaction policy decision dressed up as Constitutional law.

I fear we are getting the latter, not the former, these days . . .


220 posted on 01/17/2006 8:27:20 AM PST by cvq3842
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