Skip to comments.Can a Pious Muslim Become a Loyal American?
Posted on 01/21/2006 10:17:13 AM PST by Jeremydmccann
We must never forget . . . that as Muslims, we are obligated to desire, and when possible to participate in, the overthrow of any non-Islamic governmentanywhere in the world in order to replace it by an Islamic one, the speaker concluded his remarks. The venue was a mosque, not in Rawalpindi or Jeddah but in San Francisco. When a recent convert noted that if Muslims are obligated to overthrow the U.S. government then accepting Islam was tantamount to an act of political treason, the lecturer responded matter-of-factly, Yes, thats true.
He was right both technically and substantively. A breach of allegiance to the United States by naturalized Muslims is not a rarity, it is an integral part of the Muslim-American experience. It is an inherent dilemma for many; it leads the serious few to give aid and comfort to the enemy. The problem will be solved only if and when Islamic activism is treated as grounds for the loss of acquired U.S. citizenship and deportation. The citizenship of any naturalized American who actively supports or preaches jihad, inequality of infidels, the establishment of the Sharia law, etc., should be revoked, and that person promptly deported to the country of origin.
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"Can a Pious Muslim Become a Loyal American?"
If they devoutly follow the Koran and the Hadiths?
Well, it's probably above my paygrade to make that call.
They keep saying it- plainly, honestly- and the STUPID among us refuse to hear it.
The speaker and everyone inside the mosque should be tracked down and arrested and deported to the most backward Islamic paradise we can find.
The mosque- and ALL mosques- should be bulldozed.
And we MUST start enforcing the laws against treason and sedition.
Short and concise answer: No.
"Pious" Muslims will never be loyal to _any_ authority, government, or culture, other than that of Islam itself. The Quran commands nothing less.
I will go so far as to say that the same statement applies to the overwhelming majority of Mulisms everywhere, whether "pious" or somewhat less so.
Rule of Thumb:
'Muslims First Americans Second'
This has always been my experience, without exception.
"The mosque- and ALL mosques- should be bulldozed.
And we MUST start enforcing the laws against treason and sedition."
Politically, this will be difficult at the moment. A more attainable first step would be the complete political and legal defeat of CAIR---the largest American Islamacist group. They are currently suing those who speak out against them for libel---while enjoying strong MSM support.
I agree. I am also sickened when the pres. and the others refer to Islam as a religion of "peace" and "love". Sure, he shouldn't say the oppposite, but he shouldn't say anything period.
I'm not so sure. Dissimulation, by the author's own reference, means concealing, not abandoning, beliefs. For a muslim to adhere to the oath of citizenship would require him to abandon his religious beliefs which explicitly call for the overthrow of infidel governments like the US government. Therefore I don't see how islam is compatible with the U.S. government or most of America and the world for that matter.
Obviously, you can lose your citizenship whether or not you were born here.
All that's needed is TO ENFORCE THE LAW!!
You don't need a pay grade to make this call, it's pretty in-your-face - all you need to do is listen to them.
I know that sounds extreme, but our very survival may depend on it. Would we have allowed declared Nazis in 1943 to remain in this country? I don't think so. In my opinion Islam is not as much a religion as it is a political organization. The daily prayer rituals etc are little more than a form of cult ritual. A way to keep the masses in line.
Kick em out!!
I think the bigger question is, does America need or want Muslim citizens?
Reminds me of a friend who owned a bar room. It was a neighborhood bar and just about everyone in it knew each other.
He was telling me how one of his regular customers came in and called him aside. The patron explained to my friend that his ensuing actions were not meant personally to my friend and they might affect his business, and he was sorry.
MY friend didn't quite grasp the situation. The guy walked down to a booth pulled out a gun and fired 4 shots into a customer and killed him.. As he was exiting the bar with gun in hand, he turned to my friend and said I'm sorry it had to happen here in your place. (He was later arrested)
Sometimes you have to pay attention to what is being said. The Muslims make their plans available to anyone who will read or listen.
To put it as blunt as possible - When the opportunity presents itself, the Muslims are going to kill you, because you don't believe that Allah is God. - tom
Let me answer that, no and no.
I can remember a time when the same questions were asked of and about Catholics. I suppose the question has less to do with Islam and more to do with culture. For the most part the middle east does not have a history of nations or nationalism. The people there identify in the following order 1) family, 2) tribe, 3) sect, 4) Islam, 5) community, 6) nation.
Muslims? Loyal Americans? No way.
"And we MUST start enforcing the laws against treason and sedition."
Well, and here may be a new thought: SUE media outlets that are considered treasonous in the peoples mind.
We CAN fight the MSM.
But first, we must WANT to.
An oxymoron- No?
Definitely not a redundancy.
One of the most illuminating moments of the past year came Thanksgiving, when I was in my local deli, run by a Yemeni family.
The absolute rapture or America and Thanksgiving as he spoke of how 27 kinsfolk gathered for "four turkeys, man. Thanksgiving's great!"
The guy is also devout -- he closes for an hour for Friday prayers -- but he appears to be an equally devout American.
The trouble with the Muslim creed, I reckon, is that it sets the bar for devotion just so high that, with just a short stretch, the even-more-devout can embrace blowing themselves up. It's a petri dish for cultivating fanaticism. While my local store owner seems a decent, reasonable man (and he's honest to a T), it's his faith that has the fatal flaw.
Only about to the extent a Communist can be...
Please keep in mind that the hijackers lived in this country for years and no one they met daily suspected their true feelings. There are Muslims here now, among us- that some of us trust and consider 'regular' guys-who will be the next to pull off a terrorist attack. Those who considered them 'good Muslims' will be shocked.
I'm not saying the man you mentioned is a terrorist, just that-knowing his 'faith' can't be trusted- you should be less trusting and more vigilant.
It is our naivete and willingness to take people at face value that they use against us.
I absolutely agree. There are many good men and women who have been roped into islam whether by an accident of birth or because they were duped as converts.
The evil is hidden inside islam...under the clutter of the language of the Quran. I suggest there is a living spirit behind islam...and it certainly is NOT benign.
"I can remember a time when the same questions were asked of and about Catholics"
--- Yes, you can.
However, the Catholics were not advocating murder, rape and terrorism
That is a specious comparison. What Pope, or local Catholic priest, urges the faithful to butcher others,commit murder/suicide, or insist that no other religion but Catholicism should exist-much less that it should rule the world?
No other modern religion can be compared to Islam for barbaric savagery. You have to go back to the real dark ages.
If a Hardshell Baptists Minister called for the killing of people who did not follow the Baptists Creed, all hell would break loose!
If a Catholic Priest did the same, more hell...
I say when a religion goes past the spiritual, it is not a religion!
In the case of Radical Islam, it does not deserve protection... It deserves to be crushed!
And damn near all of them are smiling when they serve you, or being just the most normal neighbors.
And the fools among us think that because Mohammed is polite he's an A-ok American.
How far would he get if he was frothing at the mouth and screaming in the streets as they do in the Mid East?
I agree with you. I met a bunch of nice arabs a few decades ago, when I was in college. As I got to know them, I discovered a couple of things: they hated Americans, some of them were here to recruit their fellow arab students into the PLO,and they were adept liars.
It's not that difficult for them to present a nice face to Americans, and in the company of their own people, show their true hatred of us.
I don't understand why we let them stay here, unless they are citizens of our country.
My views are probably simplistic. I just don't understand how we can be at war with them and welcome them into our country at the same time.
My daughter's Girl Scout troop is going to a mosque "to worship" this Sunday. She won't be going. We are in Massachusetts, so I'm not surprised that most of the girls in the troop are going.
One thing Christianity does really well is adapt to modern government. The simple 'Do unto Caesar's' line really makes the difference.