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Can a Pious Muslim Become a Loyal American?
Chronicles Magazine ^ | 01/20/2006 | Srdja Trifkovic

Posted on 01/21/2006 10:17:13 AM PST by Jeremydmccann

“We must never forget . . . that as Muslims, we are obligated to desire, and when possible to participate in, the overthrow of any non-Islamic government—anywhere in the world – in order to replace it by an Islamic one,” the speaker concluded his remarks. The venue was a mosque, not in Rawalpindi or Jeddah but in San Francisco. When a recent convert noted that if Muslims are obligated to overthrow the U.S. government then accepting Islam was tantamount to an act of political treason, the lecturer responded matter-of-factly, “Yes, that’s true.”

He was right both technically and substantively. A breach of allegiance to the United States by naturalized Muslims is not a rarity, it is an integral part of the Muslim-American experience. It is an inherent dilemma for many; it leads the serious few to give aid and comfort to the enemy. The problem will be solved only if and when Islamic activism is treated as grounds for the loss of acquired U.S. citizenship and deportation. The citizenship of any naturalized American who actively supports or preaches jihad, inequality of “infidels,” the establishment of the Shari’a law, etc., should be revoked, and that person promptly deported to the country of origin.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: anchorbabies; citizenship; immigration; islam; jihadinamerica; mosque; muslim; muslimamericans; naturalization; no; subversives; terrorism
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1 posted on 01/21/2006 10:17:14 AM PST by Jeremydmccann
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To: Jeremydmccann

bump


2 posted on 01/21/2006 10:19:24 AM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Jeremydmccann

"Can a Pious Muslim Become a Loyal American?"

If they devoutly follow the Koran and the Hadiths?
Well, it's probably above my paygrade to make that call.


3 posted on 01/21/2006 10:20:58 AM PST by VOA
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To: Jeremydmccann

They keep saying it- plainly, honestly- and the STUPID among us refuse to hear it.
The speaker and everyone inside the mosque should be tracked down and arrested and deported to the most backward Islamic paradise we can find.
The mosque- and ALL mosques- should be bulldozed.
And we MUST start enforcing the laws against treason and sedition.


4 posted on 01/21/2006 10:22:03 AM PST by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: ClearBlueSky
Amen !

ML/NJ

5 posted on 01/21/2006 10:23:31 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: Jeremydmccann
"Can a Pious Muslim Become a Loyal American?"

Short and concise answer: No.

"Pious" Muslims will never be loyal to _any_ authority, government, or culture, other than that of Islam itself. The Quran commands nothing less.

I will go so far as to say that the same statement applies to the overwhelming majority of Mulisms everywhere, whether "pious" or somewhat less so.

- John

6 posted on 01/21/2006 10:26:36 AM PST by Fishrrman
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To: Jeremydmccann
Can a Pious Muslim Become a Loyal American?Of course not.
7 posted on 01/21/2006 10:27:43 AM PST by mosquewatch.com ("The enemy is anyone who will get you killed, no matter what side they are on.")
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To: Fishrrman

Rule of Thumb:

'Muslims First Americans Second'


This has always been my experience, without exception.


8 posted on 01/21/2006 10:30:28 AM PST by ishabibble (UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL)
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To: ClearBlueSky
None are so blind as those who will not see. Can a devout muslim be a loyal American citizen? No.
9 posted on 01/21/2006 10:30:45 AM PST by asp1
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To: ClearBlueSky

"The mosque- and ALL mosques- should be bulldozed.
And we MUST start enforcing the laws against treason and sedition."

Politically, this will be difficult at the moment. A more attainable first step would be the complete political and legal defeat of CAIR---the largest American Islamacist group. They are currently suing those who speak out against them for libel---while enjoying strong MSM support.


10 posted on 01/21/2006 10:31:23 AM PST by strategofr (Taliban had such quick success because of US State Dept support, Dangerous Diplomacy, Mowbray, p. 63)
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To: Fishrrman

I agree. I am also sickened when the pres. and the others refer to Islam as a religion of "peace" and "love". Sure, he shouldn't say the oppposite, but he shouldn't say anything period.


11 posted on 01/21/2006 10:31:56 AM PST by Jeremydmccann
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To: ClearBlueSky
A devout Muslim can do it only if in taking the oath he is practicing taqiyya, the art of dissimulation that was inaugurated by Muhammad to help destabilize and undermine non-Muslim communities almost ripe for a touch of old-fashioned Jihad.

I'm not so sure. Dissimulation, by the author's own reference, means concealing, not abandoning, beliefs. For a muslim to adhere to the oath of citizenship would require him to abandon his religious beliefs which explicitly call for the overthrow of infidel governments like the US government. Therefore I don't see how islam is compatible with the U.S. government or most of America and the world for that matter.

12 posted on 01/21/2006 10:32:02 AM PST by gotribe (Hillary: Accessory to Rape)
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To: Jeremydmccann

NO


13 posted on 01/21/2006 10:32:21 AM PST by rrrod
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To: Jeremydmccann
The venue was a mosque, not in Rawalpindi or Jeddah but in San Francisco.

Before the pervasiveness of moral relativism, this would've been an outrage. Although, I have a feeling that if more people knew what was being said in mosques, in our own country, things might be a little different.
14 posted on 01/21/2006 10:32:40 AM PST by andyk (Fear my strategery of misunderestimation.)
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To: Dark Skies
From Page 4 of my UNITED STATES Passport, under the sub-heading, "LOSS OF CITIZENSHIP"

Obviously, you can lose your citizenship whether or not you were born here.

All that's needed is TO ENFORCE THE LAW!!

15 posted on 01/21/2006 10:33:49 AM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it!)
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To: VOA

You don't need a pay grade to make this call, it's pretty in-your-face - all you need to do is listen to them.


16 posted on 01/21/2006 10:35:08 AM PST by thoughtomator
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To: gotribe

It isn't.


17 posted on 01/21/2006 10:35:43 AM PST by Jeremydmccann
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To: Jeremydmccann
The United States should declare Islam as a subversive organization with the intent of overthrowing the government of the U.S. and cause all people declared as Muslums to be "persona non grata" and export them!

I know that sounds extreme, but our very survival may depend on it. Would we have allowed declared Nazis in 1943 to remain in this country? I don't think so. In my opinion Islam is not as much a religion as it is a political organization. The daily prayer rituals etc are little more than a form of cult ritual. A way to keep the masses in line.

Kick em out!!

18 posted on 01/21/2006 10:36:04 AM PST by mc5cents
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To: ClearBlueSky

KTAN


19 posted on 01/21/2006 10:36:58 AM PST by Noumenon (Liberal activist judges - out of touch, out of tune, but not out of reach.)
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To: Jeremydmccann
Can a Pious Muslim Become a Loyal American?

No.

20 posted on 01/21/2006 10:37:44 AM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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