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On the Way? (Some of the Iraqi documents may be released soon.)
The Weekly Standard. ^ | 01/21/2006 | Stephen F. Hayes

Posted on 01/22/2006 7:51:04 AM PST by baystaterebel

MORE THAN TWO MONTHS AGO, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Pete Hoekstra requested 40 documents captured in postwar Iraq as he sought better understand the activities of the Iraqi regime in the months and years before the U.S. invasion in March 2003. On Friday afternoon, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence finally provided 39 of the 40 documents Hoekstra had requested.

I had been seeking the same documents. For more than five months I pestered Department of Defense public affairs staff to see them. I provided titles to the Pentagon staff and, eventually, filed a Freedom of Information Act request. I got nowhere, so in mid-November we published the 40 titles in THE WEEKLY STANDARD. Here is how I described them in that article:

Some of the document titles I requested are suggestive, others less so. It's possible that the "Document from Uday Hussein regarding Taliban activity" was critical of one or another Taliban policies. But it's equally possible, given Uday's known role as a go-between for the Iraqi regime and al Qaeda, that something more nefarious was afoot.

What was discussed at the "Secret Meeting with Taliban Group Member and Iraqi Government" in November 2000? It could be something innocuous. Maybe not. But it would be nice to know more.

It appears that we will know more soon. Hoekstra has asked his staff to review the documents before releasing them to the public. It is important to remember that this set of documents is a tiny percentage of the Iraqi documents that have been translated (.078 percent of the 50,000) and a mere sliver of the overall document take of approximately 2 million. Whatever emerges from this group may not be a representative sample of the overall document takes.

(Excerpt) Read more at weeklystandard.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 109th; harmony; hoekstra; iraqdocuments; oilforfood; prewarintelligence; stephenfhayes
Pay attention to this story. Evidence is slowly pilling up that links Al Queda/Taliban directly to Saddam. Read the list of document headers. If even a smidge of these documents prove to be valid.........
1 posted on 01/22/2006 7:51:06 AM PST by baystaterebel
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To: baystaterebel

Why not just release the documents? What's taking so long?

Just do it.


2 posted on 01/22/2006 7:52:48 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Dog; Howlin; Peach; Miss Marple; OXENinFLA; hipaatwo

fyi


3 posted on 01/22/2006 7:53:08 AM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: baystaterebel

Neat. Thanks for posting this. Bookmarked.


4 posted on 01/22/2006 7:54:10 AM PST by syriacus
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To: baystaterebel
It appears that we will know more soon.

Hope so. Been a long time coming.

5 posted on 01/22/2006 7:54:37 AM PST by T. Buzzard Trueblood (left unchecked, Saddam Hussein...will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." Sen. Hillary Clinton)
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To: baystaterebel
I think Hayes should leave it alone until we have gone through all of them and put together all of the information.

It will be far more damaging as a whole, rather than letting out bits and pieces.

I understand where Mr. Hayes is coming from, but I wish he would let our intel guys do the job.

6 posted on 01/22/2006 7:54:42 AM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: samtheman
There are tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of documents that have to be translated and cataloged, so that an entire picture can be painted of what was going on inside Iraq.

I don't think they should release anything until they are finished with all of it.

7 posted on 01/22/2006 7:57:06 AM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: samtheman

Why not just release the documents? What's taking so long?
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Good point, in fact, why were they not released YEARS ago? When all the finger-pointing and the scumbag libs were sliming the Pres and his staff about Iraq (the MSM as well) -- why were they not released???

Would that not have helped the entire project of the Iraq invasion??? I think it would have.


8 posted on 01/22/2006 7:57:49 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: KylaStarr; Cindy; StillProud2BeFree; nw_arizona_granny; Velveeta; Dolphy; appalachian_dweller; ...

ping


9 posted on 01/22/2006 7:58:42 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: EagleUSA

Three possibilities:

1. There are no documents.
2. They contain still-sensitive information.
3. The people managing them are idiots.

Whatever's going on, it's certain that Saddam had connections to terrorists. Those have been reported --- and ignored --- many times over the past several years. It would be nice, very nice, to get some hard evidence on his connection to AQ. Which I personally believe he had.


10 posted on 01/22/2006 8:03:31 AM PST by samtheman
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To: EagleUSA

That is one of our main intelligence problems. We have the best collection devices out there. But we simply dont have the manpower to translate all the viable imformation.


11 posted on 01/22/2006 8:04:52 AM PST by Tyche (A half truth is a whole lie)
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To: samtheman
Why not just release the documents? What's taking so long?

Exactly, these were captured in war, so it's not like they are protecting sources or collection methods.

12 posted on 01/22/2006 8:05:32 AM PST by Casloy
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To: teenyelliott
I understand where Mr. Hayes is coming from, but I wish he would let our intel guys do the job.

We have waited long enough, the info needs to be released now and especially before the mid term elections.

13 posted on 01/22/2006 8:13:50 AM PST by Michael.SF. ('Only thing worse than a Frenchman is a Frenchman who lives in Canada' - Ted Nugent.)
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To: EagleUSA; samtheman
...why were they not released YEARS ago? ....Would that not have helped the entire project of the Iraq invasion??? I think it would have.

I don't think so. If they were released piecemeal, and some part was refuted, then that would be the lasting impression in the public mind, reinforced by the MSM (that the "Iraq Docs were false.")

Think about the Atta Prague issue. Irrefutable docs show Atta met Iraqi agents....and yet....it is a widely accepted "fact" by the ROW that Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11.

So dripping the info out, the MSM can tear it down piece by piece. Only if the entire picture is clarified all at once will it have legs.

And I think THAT is why Bush is content to play the long game of history. He's said time and time again that history will "exonerate" him (bad choice of words, W.) So I think he's started the process and not interested in the quick marketing win.

14 posted on 01/22/2006 8:14:13 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: EagleUSA
Would that not have helped the entire project of the Iraq invasion??? I think it would have.

There was plenty of support before and during the invasion. If anything, support is needed now (just before midterms). Could be a game of old fashioned "Texas Hold-em". ;)

15 posted on 01/22/2006 8:14:26 AM PST by Dubya-M-Dees (Mary Mapes was the first in the MSM that had to participate in an election by the people... she lost)
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To: baystaterebel

And while you're at it, Hold the Able Danger Hearings!


16 posted on 01/22/2006 8:16:25 AM PST by sono (Ted Kennedy's naming his dog Splash is like Jack Abramoff naming his dog Bribe.)
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To: sam_paine

And I think THAT is why Bush is content to play the long game of history.
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Too bad, if that is the case. It has cost us so much, in the way of the MSM and scumbag libs getting traction with the public -- their lies, thier spin, all of it resonating with the ignorant, uninformed sector -- sadly that sector CAN VOTE!!! That is my concern about the truth being brought out and showing the MSM and the rotten libs just exactly what and who they are ---


17 posted on 01/22/2006 8:18:51 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: baystaterebel
Thanks for the post. I think the connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda/Abu Sayyaf in the Philippines has been well established.

An Iraqi diplomat named Husain was expelled from the Philippines in February, 2003, after he was linked to a cell phone used to trigger a terrorist bomb that failed to explode. The cell phone tied him to a previous bombing that killed an American soldier. To me, this seems to be pretty solid evidence of Iraqi involvement in terrorism.

From Times Asia, Feb. 17, 2003: Last Oct. 9, police found an "improvised explosive device" in Zamboanga City. Attached was a mobile phone that appeared to be rigged to trigger the unexploded bomb. Investigators discovered that the phone had registered an incoming call from another mobile (which they believe was an attempt to detonate the explosive). Philippine intelligence sources say that several calls had been made from that second phone to senior Abu Sayyaf figures. There was also a single call to Husain made on Oct. 3 at 11:34 a.m.—one day after a bombing in Zamboanga City attributed to Abu Sayyaf had killed three people, including a U.S. soldier.

18 posted on 01/22/2006 8:28:26 AM PST by Ben Hecks
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To: EagleUSA
That is my concern about the truth being brought out and showing the MSM and the rotten libs just exactly what and who they are ---

Well, if it turns out to be a strategery to wait for the right time, then for this to come out in 2007 (for example) would be the final death rattle of the Left! Even if it is well known by 2009 and the entire congress is turned out, wouldn't that be worth the wait?

Orrrrrr..... it could be that this is just a dumb move and Bush is hiding it to save face for Clinton or whatever.

So, either way, whatever happens will be well deserved.

19 posted on 01/22/2006 8:29:03 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: EagleUSA
Would that not have helped the entire project of the Iraq invasion??? I think it would have.

In my opinion, I think the documents implicate extended and deep involvement in Iraq with many of the 'old Europe' countries. Perhaps even to the point where these various governments knew about Iraq's terrorist ties, and continued to support Saddam because they were being bought off with some big bucks. What will this kind of proof do to the European peoples opinions of their governments? Might it cause instability in some European countries? DoD is going to only let this stuff trickle out, simply to help our supposed allies save face.

20 posted on 01/22/2006 8:38:40 AM PST by Adiemus
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To: Michael.SF.
They are not all translated yet. You want a partial story?

I think the whole story will be more damaging to the dems.

And I think it will be more beneficial to the '08 elections than it will be to midterms.

Many voters in state elections vote on local issues.

People who vote in Presidential elections are more heavily swayed by world events.

If the admin had a slam dunk story with these docs, they would have already released them. I would rather trust Bush/Cheney to know when they should be released and will be the most effective than a reporter who just wants a story.

21 posted on 01/22/2006 8:42:47 AM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: sam_paine
And I think THAT is why Bush is content to play the long game of history.

Yes. One of the lessons that Bush got from his father was "don't peak too soon." (i.e. by the time of 1992 elections, the 1990 gulfwar was forgotten).
22 posted on 01/22/2006 8:46:46 AM PST by atomicweeder
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To: sam_paine
And I think THAT is why Bush is content to play the long game of history.

Yes. One of the lessons that Bush got from his father was "don't peak too soon." (i.e. by the time of 1992 elections, the 1990 gulfwar was forgotten).
23 posted on 01/22/2006 8:46:50 AM PST by atomicweeder
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To: Adiemus

What will this kind of proof do to the European peoples opinions of their governments?
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This was common knowledge, and it was proven (especially in the case of France) that they were heavily complicit in SUPPORTING Saddam's den-of-horrors. Maybe it is high-time that the Euros got a snoutfull of what their slimey socialist governments are all about...IMHO, that would help the U.S. position greatly, since the complicit leaders in the EU, have been such detractors of the U.S. (just to keep the eyes off of their complicity).

I still feel much more good, than bad, would have come out of immediate AND FULL DISCLOSURE for us and our allies in the fight against Islamic terror.


24 posted on 01/22/2006 8:47:44 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: EagleUSA

Agree completely, but does our governemt have the balls to do it? I hope they do, but doubt it.


25 posted on 01/22/2006 8:49:58 AM PST by Adiemus
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To: Mo1; All

Is there a pinglist for Iraq documents? If so, please add my name.


26 posted on 01/22/2006 9:09:39 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: samtheman

Even when we do find hard evidence, the left will stick to 'but you can't PROVE they did 9-11' for a while longer.

Its a weak point, and even that might be blown out of the water if the connections are strong enough, but I'm sure thats what they WILL do.


27 posted on 01/22/2006 9:10:26 AM PST by FreedomNeocon (I'm in no Al-Samood for this Shi'ite.)
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To: Mo1

If this plays out the way I pray it plays out, the Democrats will lose seats in the mid-term elections.


28 posted on 01/22/2006 9:27:14 AM PST by Peach
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To: baystaterebel

I believe that there will be some coming out.Some good,some so so.I think the REAL good ones will come at jut the right time.I.E.,election time,or when GW feels a need to put some Demons[democrats]in their place!


29 posted on 01/22/2006 9:29:55 AM PST by xarmydog
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To: Michael.SF.

I doubt it takes a human being to make all the translations. I assume, based on my personal experience in the intel community, that language translation programs are being used along with other computer hardware and software. Keyword searches can flag documents for in-depth analysis. Any action generates reams of paperwork as the CYA syndrome common to bureaucrats of all nationalities comes into play. That leads to grouping of documents according to ranking interest. At some point, human interface has to put the peices together and make judgements. The public will never know just how smart and dedicated our intel folks are because they must hid their light. They do not need a hundred years to get the job done. The problems are politicians, foreign and domestic,
with personal agendas to protect. Waiting until ALL documents are processed is a big mistake. There are many heads to this snake. Cut them off as quickly as they are found.


30 posted on 01/22/2006 11:04:42 AM PST by hdstmf (too)
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