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Police face Mexican military, smugglers
dailybulletin.com ^ | 01/24/06 | Sara A. Carter and Kenneth Todd Ruiz,

Posted on 01/24/2006 6:24:51 AM PST by jackbenimble

Armed standoff along U.S. border By Sara A. Carter and Kenneth Todd Ruiz, Staff Writers

Mexican soldiers and civilian smugglers had an armed standoff with nearly 30 U.S. law enforcement officials on the Rio Grande in Texas on Monday afternoon, according to Texas police and the FBI. Mexican military Humvees were towing what appeared to be thousands of pounds of marijuana across the border into the United States, said Chief Deputy Mike Doyal, of the Hudspeth County Sheriff's Department.

Mexican Army troops had several mounted machine guns on the ground more than 200 yards inside the U.S. border -- near Neely's Crossing, about 50 miles east of El Paso -- when Border Patrol agents called for backup. Hudspeth County deputies and Texas Highway patrol officers arrived shortly afterward, Doyal said.

"It's been so bred into everyone not to start an international incident with Mexico that it's been going on for years," Doyal said. "When you're up against mounted machine guns, what can you do? Who wants to pull the trigger first? Certainly not us."

An FBI spokeswoman confirmed the incident happened at 2:15 p.m. Pacific Time.

"Bad guys in three vehicles ended up on the border," said Andrea Simmons, a spokeswoman with the FBI's El Paso office. "People with Humvees, who appeared to be with the Mexican Army, were involved with the three vehicles in getting them back across."

Simmons said the FBI was not involved and referred inquiries to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

ICE did not return calls seeking comment.

Doyal said deputies captured one vehicle in the incident, a Cadillac Escalade reportedly stolen from El Paso, and found 1,477 pounds of marijuana inside. The Mexican soldiers set fire to one of the Humvees stuck in the river, he said.

Doyal's deputies faced a similar incident on Nov. 17, when agents from the Fort Hancock border patrol station in Texas called the sheriff's department for backup after confronting more than six fully armed men dressed in Mexican military uniforms. The men -- who were carrying machine guns and driving military vehicles -- were trying to bring more than three tons of marijuana across the Rio Grande, Doyal said.

Doyal said such incidents are common at Neely's Crossing, which is near Fort Hancock, Texas, and across from the Mexican state of Chihuahua.

"It happens quite often here," he said.

Deputies and border patrol agents are not equipped for combat, he added.

"Our government has to do something," he said. "It's not the immigrants coming over for jobs we're worried about. It's the smugglers, Mexican military and the national threat to our borders that we're worried about."

Citing a Jan. 15 story in the Daily Bulletin, Reps. David Dreier, R-Glendora, and Duncan Hunter, R-San Diego, last week asked the House Judiciary Committee, Department of Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, the House Homeland Security Committee and the House International Relations Committee to investigate the incursions. The story focused on a Department of Homeland Security document reporting 216 incursions by Mexican soldiers during the past 10 years and a map with the seal of the president's Office of National Drug Control Policy, both of which were given to the newspaper.

Requests by Dreier, chairman of the House Rules Committee, and Hunter were made in jointly signed letters.

On Wednesday, Chertoff played down the reports of border incursions by the Mexican military. He suggested many of the incursions could have been mistakes, blaming bad navigation by military personnel or attributing the incursions to criminals dressed in military garb.

Mexican officials last week denied any incursions made by their military.

But border agents interviewed over the past year have discussed confrontations those they believe to be Mexican military personnel.

"We're sitting ducks," said a border agent speaking on condition of anonymity. "The government has our hands tied."

Sara A. Carter can be reached by e-mail at sara.carter@dailybulletin.com or by phone at (909) 483-8552.

Kenneth Todd Ruiz can be reached by e-mail at todd.ruiz@dailybulletin.com or by phone at (909) 483-8555.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegal; immigrantlist; immigration; mexican; mexicantroops; military; smugglers
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To: Sterco

Re your #27 -

"...Why does Chertoff remind me so much of Baghdad Bob?"

Say, now there's an interesting mission for a competent Photoshopper out there in FR Land!!!

{8^{D~


61 posted on 01/24/2006 11:48:25 AM PST by Uncle Jaque (Club Freedom; Dues: Vigilance.)
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To: Mojave; Travis McGee; Czar
The liberals and libertarians would have been outraged if any on the marijuana smugglers had suffered any harm.

Uhhhh, the libertarians on FR that I know of are the strongest proponents of border security and organizations like the Minutemen. It is your authoritarian buddies like the late great Cultural Jihad who are open-border lobbyists.

62 posted on 01/24/2006 11:48:53 AM PST by jmc813 (John Shadegg for Majority Leader)
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To: spikeytx86

Re your #26 - "The pharmacist needs to cowboy up and send some of texas's finest to the border."

That'd be nice... dream on.

Since when do the Rangers have Strykers, M-1 Abrams, or Helo gunships?

Most LEOs are not even trusted with select fire weapons, much less anything "tactical", other than the occasional SWAT unit.

And if they dispatch one of those, they will be promptly spanked by Washington and probably have their funding cut forthwith.

The Branch Davidians at Waco got a lot more government attention than these Mexican invaders ever will.


63 posted on 01/24/2006 11:54:08 AM PST by Uncle Jaque (Club Freedom; Dues: Vigilance.)
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To: jackbenimble

Are we going to sit on our hands until we are conquered by the banana republic of Mexico?


64 posted on 01/24/2006 11:55:17 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Maturity has brought me the wisdom to realize just what a world class dumb ass I really am.)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com

"Rush has had his wings clipped too. "

Really? I just heard him give a pretty good rant about it about a half hour ago. (1420 or thereabouts, EST)


65 posted on 01/24/2006 11:57:24 AM PST by Uncle Jaque (Club Freedom; Dues: Vigilance.)
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To: jackbenimble

In my opinion Chertoff is both an incompetent moron and a liar. One is not exclusive of the other.


66 posted on 01/24/2006 12:24:23 PM PST by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: ZULU


U.S. Constitution Article 4 Section 4:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,

and shall protect each of them against Invasion;"


Invasion: \In*va"sion\, n. [L. invasio: cf. F. invasion. See Invade.] [1913 Webster]

1. The act of invading; the act of encroaching upon the rights or possessions of another; encroachment; trespass.


67 posted on 01/24/2006 12:56:09 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: jackbenimble
Either Chertoff is an incompetent moron or he is a liar. Any speculation?

Both.

68 posted on 01/24/2006 1:09:59 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: jackbenimble; ImaTexan

As I posted on the other thread of this matter, Chertoff's lack of action or interest is understandable. They were all Mexicans, therefore it would be racist and/or profiling to defend our border. (sarcasm)


69 posted on 01/24/2006 1:13:52 PM PST by bjcintennessee (Don't Sweat the Small Stuff)
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To: Iscool

Oh don't say that .... someone here on FR might turn you into the Republican Thought Police for not thinking like a good little Republican who always supports the President.


70 posted on 01/24/2006 1:19:07 PM PST by Byron Norris (Lets Get Back to What the Constitution is Really About.)
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To: One Proud Dad

You lived in Alpine? I heard it can get rough out there in Brewster County.


71 posted on 01/24/2006 1:20:50 PM PST by Byron Norris (Lets Get Back to What the Constitution is Really About.)
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To: Byron Norris

One the prettiest spots in Texas. Cost of living is a little high.

I spent many a night out with my BP friends or on surveillance watching the flood cross the river. We used to go into places like down Chispa Road or Loma Linda Crossing where if your radio worked or cell phone signal let you call for help it would take over an hour to get there by car.

Beautiful, but very rugged country.


72 posted on 01/24/2006 1:30:10 PM PST by One Proud Dad
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To: Mojave
"The liberals and libertarians would have been outraged if any on the marijuana smugglers had suffered any harm."

You're confusing libertarians (like myself) with Libertarians (open borders nutjobs). Personally, I want rapid reaction forces on standby for the next time something like this happens so we can chase them as far into Mexico as we need to to kill and/or capture every last one of them. Deploy the National Guard along the border and deal with military incursions the way they should be dealt with: massively overwhelming military force.

I have no problem with us responding to acts of war, and I consider incursions like this to be perfectly legitimate reasons for a full-scale invasion of northern Mexico to stamp out whoever's doing it. If it's the Mexican military that's doing it, then the 4th ID needs to march into Mexico City and dismantle the Mexican military.

You'll find that most (small L) libertarians agree with me.
73 posted on 01/24/2006 1:59:21 PM PST by NJ_gent (Modernman should not have been banned.)
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To: Uncle Jaque

He read my post and wanted to try and salvage some dignity.

He'll do as he's told.


74 posted on 01/24/2006 2:00:25 PM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Same Robat time, same Robat channel!)
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To: jackbenimble
"If I were in charge they would be calling the military."

If I were in charge, they wouldn't have to call the military; the military would already be there obliterating any foreign citizen pointing a weapon or acting in a threatening way toward our BP agents. We should have Predator drones with Hellfire missiles all over the border areas, along with plenty of National Guard and military regulars ready to assist the BP at the first sign of trouble. A single call from a BP agent should be more than enough to bring the wrath of God upon those who would invade our soil and threaten our protectors.
75 posted on 01/24/2006 2:05:09 PM PST by NJ_gent (Modernman should not have been banned.)
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To: One Proud Dad
"We used to go into places like down Chispa Road or Loma Linda Crossing where if your radio worked or cell phone signal let you call for help it would take over an hour to get there by car."

My question is, how long does it take for Predator drones with Hellfire missiles and Apache gunships to get there? :-)
76 posted on 01/24/2006 2:09:10 PM PST by NJ_gent (Modernman should not have been banned.)
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To: NJ_gent

If they are on an orbit assignment only seconds to minutes if they are coming from an airport farther "inland" it could take 10-15 minutes depending on distance and scramble time.

Infrared works good out there due to lack of tall vegetation.


77 posted on 01/24/2006 2:15:15 PM PST by One Proud Dad
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To: jackbenimble

There are two problems we are dealing with. One is the illegal immigration/invasion. That can be easily delt with using current law by prosecuting employers and bankers. The second is the drug smuggling. That will require strict border control.


78 posted on 01/24/2006 2:20:22 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: jackbenimble
On Wednesday, Chertoff played down the reports of border incursions by the Mexican military. He suggested many of the incursions could have been mistakes, blaming bad navigation by military personnel or attributing the incursions to criminals dressed in military garb.

They didn't know that river they were crossing was the Rio Grand. That's a sizable navigation error. That's also sizable "stonewalling" by the administration.

It's looking more and more as though Mexico has forgotten the lessons of 1836 and 1850 and is seeking a memory refresher.

79 posted on 01/24/2006 2:34:52 PM PST by kimosabe31
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To: CodeToad

Three.

3. Treason.


80 posted on 01/24/2006 2:41:10 PM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Same Robat time, same Robat channel!)
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