In Praise of FR's freedom - from a progressive

by ClassConscious aka SoLongCrooks ^

[ClassConscious]

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Earlier thread by this poster under another name before he was banned, linked above also:

Bye-bye Delay! So long crooks! Goodbye world, I'm gone by ZOT!

Posted on 01/08/2006 8:43:32 PM CST by SoLongCrooks

Yaa, you repukes are not doing so well, huh? Imagine, you repukes control the presidency, both houses of Congress, and appointed 7 of the 9 Supreme Court justices. Yet the Supreme Court thre out sodomy laws in all 50 states and recognized the right of government to seize land for any reason. And you couldn't pass your Social Security changes could you? Sorry, that was your last shot. Come November, we're going to start seeing more Democratic faces in the House. It's the end for you guys. You guys are celebrating when Bush's numbers go *up* to 45%. Then Faux News trumpets this like it's some kind of victory.

I should add I am not a Democrat, I am a communist. And I know one day the workers will control the means of production, and all the capitalist idle class parasites you guys love will be eliminated as a class. But I also recognize, like the CPUSA, sometimes you must enter a front with the liberals for tactical reasons. We had fun sticking it to the liberals with Nader and the Greens in 2000, 2002 and 2004, but this year we're switching gears. Evo Morales in Bolivia, Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, plus all are other Latin American comrades, and the Left Party in Germany, the Socialist Party in Spain pulling the troops out of Iraq. It's a come back for the workers of the world, BIG TIME. Sorry to all you capitalists and sycophants, or Jesus-believing loonies.

Oh yaa - Bye bye Tom Delay. We control nothing in the government, yet we still control so much! Gramsci was right to make a long march through the institutions. Too bad your shot at power amounted to so little! At least you got your estate tax cut...for a few years anyhow.

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The first thing I will say up front - I am a progressive, not a conservative. This message is about the freedom of Free Republic, versus the party line of Democratic Underground.

If you look at Democratic Underground's rules ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html ), one is "Democratic Underground may not be used for political, partisan, or advocacy activity by supporters of any political party or candidate other than the Democratic Party or Democratic candidates." Note, this doesn't say Republicans, this doesn't say "progressive candidates", it says Democratic candidates, period. Now let's compare this to Free Republic's posting guidelines ( http://www.freerepublic.com/help.htm ) - "Broadly stated, the goals of this site are to further conservatism, expose political corruption, and recover a truly constitutional form of government." No mention of the Republican Party. No jihad against you if you make up your mind to vote for Pertouka. No "party line" from the Republican leadership. Significantly, even though DU and FR are compared often, that is a (unofficial) Democratic Party site, you are a conservative site.

I just made two posts saying positive things about the Green party, talking about how people like Clinton and Kerry do not represent working class people and so forth. This was after 200+ posts there by me on other topics. Both of my threads were locked and I was directed to the above mentioned rules, which say those who don't follow the Democratic Party line are not welcome. I then posted a thread saying Free Republic had more freedom of expression than Democratic Underground, and that that was a shame. That was erased.

While my discussion of this was banned on DU, I don't think it will be banned here. I can't believe I am more free to discuss my support of the Greens, or talk about freedom of political discussion on Free Republic than Democratic Underground. And as I said before, the fact that you are a conservative site, not a official or unofficial Republican Party site is probably due to this. The party that runs the White House, Congress and 7 of 9 Supreme Court seats allows people to support Pertouka over Bush on its main political board. The main discussion board for people of the progressive movement declares all must follow the Democratic Party line, and any other discussion is locked and erased. I've even seen people banned before.

This is not going to make me a conservative or Republican. I am a working class person and hate capitalists. Note, I hate capitalists, not conservatives. I know plenty of conservatives, but am not a regular at the mansions of wealthy heirs. Anyhow, my point is this will not make me like capitalism any more, but I am very fed up with the Democrats and places like DU. They restrict freedom, make people follow a party line - and lose. You allow discussion, allow people to choose between Pertouka, Bush and whatnot - and win. Very sad.

I should close this by saying I agree with nothing the Republicans or conservatives are for - except one thing. I am a complete supporter of the Second Amendment. I have been on the left for a long time and the scariest people around are the gun control people. Not the soccer moms who the leaders of gun control people try to appeal to, but the leaders themselves, the people who want more and more gun control. I have heard people like this talk about how they are scared that people up in Appalachia and in the South have so many guns. I am always puzzled like this. For myself, I feel pretty SAFE knowing people in Appalachia, the South and so forth have guns. Why would someone be scared that the working people in rural areas have rifles, shotguns and so forth? The people who say this usually aren't working class people, they are usually liberal yuppie types. So all you second amendment supporters - you're more right than you know, if you heard how these people talk, you'd be more freaked out by all this gun control stuff than you probably already are. The gun control people are the creepiest, scariest people on the left and in the Democratic party. Meaning not the soccer moms and so forth they try to appeal to, but the people masterminding the fight on that. In fact, if you look at DU polls - many many DUers are more pro-2nd amendment than pro-gun control. So who are these gun control people? So keep fighting on this, at least one party supports the 2nd Amendment. Other than this, I don't agree with conservatives or Republicans on anything, especially in terms of the working class. Hopefully this post will shame some DU admin into allowing more freedom of expression for progressives there. You guys can discuss problems in the conservative movement while we can't - we're only allowed to praise the Democratic party, otherwise, hit the road. I hope I shame some DU admin into making changes with this, but I doubt I will.

[keithtoo]

What you have seen is that most 'liberals' are NOT liberal. They are control freaks who know darn well that unless people are put under a strict set of rules, they will never fulfill liberal or 'progressive' dreams.

Freedom is a scary and messy thing. Lib's need to get over their co-dependent character flaws and let messy freedom reign.

[Darksheare]

Well, FR is for the advancement of conservative causes.
But we do discuss wide ranging topics.
But Dem talking points tend to become very old very quickly.
Just keep that in mind, be courteous, and avoid talking points and you probably will be okay.
(Case in point: Board pet Liberal "Murrymom". She rewrites history at will, often.)

[writer33]

Then you are obviously a moron. Buh bye.

You capitalist pig!!!!!!!

:)

[JRandomFreeper]

You replied. You get points for that. I'll argue with you all night about capitalism. If you reply.

Opening argument: Amrerican Capitalism is the only thing that saved Europe during the last world war. And our leadership opened the way to communism that enslaved and killed hundreds of millions in the east.

/johnny

[spinestein]

1) I don't think you should be zotted because your post is respectfully written.

2) You should read the rules more carefully here at FR because this post should be in "personal" (and that is reason enough to at least delete it from breaking news.

3) FR is a private site (and very capitalist) and free speech does not apply here. If the owner and his moderators want something deleted, that's the way it goes.

4) Lurk for awhile and learn how things are done here before posting speeches. Then you will more likely be welcomed.

[TheForceOfOne]

Always respond to points you make, present facts to back them up, and avoid personal attacks because that means you have run out of argument yet continue to post anyway.

If your mind is open, you will learn from many knowledgeable people here more than willing to share.

You'd may be surprised how quickly your opinion might change once presented with honest debate.

Good Luck.

[harrowup]

Why not tell me what he has done to get some here so riled up?

Well now, for starters, he is a bigot.

That said, I'm no conservative but I do despise crooks and liars and the current face of the Democrat Party is that in double no-trump.

[RightWhale]

Oh, the Progressives, yes, in that sense quite right. Not at all like they intend progress itself. It's almost ironic they would use that name.

[nopardons]

Can you smell the ozone yet, troll?

[A Citizen Reporter]

I hate people who hate capitalists!

[The Old Hoosier]

COme on, man, lay off. THis is the best thread all day. And that isn't just the beer talking.

[Admin Moderator]

While my discussion of this was banned on DU, I don't think it will be banned here.

I wouldn't count on that. Folks who hate capitalists, conservatives and Republicans, especially in that combination, don't tend to become long term posters here.

This isn't a site for debating liberals in an evenhanded forum. This is a forum by and for conservatives.

Our tolerance for the few token liberals here is fickle.

[Registered]

Thanks for the tagline partner.

[Carry_Okie]

The environmental move-mint is a tool of corporate socialists, a way to put competitors out of business and raise commodity prices via artificial shortages. Here is a workable free market alternative.

See tagline.

[Darksheare]

He has been polite so far.
And we do need at least someone fresh as Murrymom is quite stale.

[America's Resolve]

It is not just that DU bans people who are conservatives or Republicans - they do this all the time for people who support the Green party! *laugh* They're still stuck on stupid from the 2000 elections. We're all evil, your side and ours, because we didn't let them steal that election.

[popdonnelly]

Why would anyone want to waste their time only supporting candidates of the Democratic Party?

[NapkinUser]

"I'm no conservative"

Libertarian?

[The Old Hoosier]

LOL!

[Jeff F]

You sound like a working class Democrat rather than a liberal. Many of your fellow old school Democrats have found themselves voting Republican over the years as their party has increasingly left them and the Republican party has moved into the gap.

Working class Democrats are generally pro 1st. and 2nd. Amendment, for national defense (even if not the current war), suspicious of government at all levels, and distrust elites of every kind. While there are many areas where such people part from working class Republicans, they shared more in common than either have with the current core of the the Democrat party.