Did Russian Ambassador Give Saddam the U.S. War Plan?

ABC News ^ | 03/23/2006 | Unknown

[Starman417]

March 23, 2006 — Following are the ABC News Investigative Unit's summaries of five documents from Saddam Hussein's government, which the U.S. government has released.

The documents discuss Osama bin Laden, weapons of mass destruction, al Qaeda and more.

The full documents can be found on the U.S. Army Foreign Military Studies Office Web site:

http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/products-docex.htm.

Note: Document titles were added by ABC News.

"U.S. War Plan Leaked to Iraqis by Russian Ambassador"

Documents dated March 5-8, 2003

Two Iraqi documents dated in March 2003 — on the eve of the U.S.-led invasion — and addressed to the secretary of Saddam Hussein, describe details of a U.S. plan for war. According to the documents, the plan was disclosed to the Iraqis by the Russian ambassador.

The first document (CMPC-2003-001950) is a handwritten account of a meeting with the Russian ambassador that details his description of the composition, size, location and type of U.S. military forces arrayed in the Gulf and Jordan. The document includes the exact numbers of tanks, armored vehicles, different types of aircraft, missiles, helicopters, aircraft carriers, and other forces, and also includes their exact locations. The ambassador also described the positions of two Special Forces units.

The second document (CMPC-2004-001117) is a typed account, signed by Deputy Foreign Minister Hammam Abdel Khaleq, that states that the Russian ambassador has told the Iraqis that the United States was planning to deploy its force into Iraq from Basra in the South and up the Euphrates, and would avoid entering major cities on the way to Baghdad, which is, in fact what happened. The documents also state "Americans are also planning on taking control of the oil fields in Kirkuk." The information was obtained by the Russians from "sources at U.S. Central Command in Doha, Qatar," according to the document.

This document also includes an account of an amusing incident in which several Iraqi Army officers (presumably seeking further elaboration of the U.S. war plans) contacted the Russian Embassy in Baghdad and stated that the ambassador was their source. Needless to say, this caused great embarrassment to the ambassador, and the officers were instructed "not to mention the ambassador again in that context."

(Editor's Note: The Russian ambassador in March 2003 was Vladimir Teterenko. Teterenko appears in documents released by the Volker Commission, which investigated the Oil for Food scandal, as receiving allocations of 3 million barrels of oil — worth roughly $1.5 million. )

[bahblahbah]

I wonder what' in this. I hope it's in english...

ISGP-2003-00015320

Synopsis: Document on research done about American politics

• ISGP-2003-00015320.pdf - Text

[SittinYonder]

B. How does somebody in Afghanistan know what evidence America possesses ?

genefromjersey today posed some questions about one of the other documents ... how did Iraq get certain info about U.S. intelligence. Did they get that from the Russians, too?

[txroadkill]

You're right, I mis-worded that. I have no doubt they were involved...including the JDAM Busters they gave them just days before the invasion started. What amazes me is that they would even dream to think it would have done any good after the way "top soviet technology" worked so well against us in '91. I just don't see the pay out for them...could they have ever thought they would ever be able to cash those oil vouchers??? I know they Russians did some really stupid things during the cold war, but you would think they had figure out by now that their best efforts were never a match.

[SittinYonder]

Here's gene's questions ...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1601671/posts

[SittinYonder]

From your link:

The convoy of 25 diplomats, including Russia's ambassador to Iraq, Vladimir Titorenko, was hit by ground fire near a western Baghdad suburb Sunday. Five diplomats were reported wounded, some seriously, Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Yakovenko said on Russian television.

Curiouser and curiouser ...

[Marine_Uncle]

Sorry if I seemed to be a bit testy. No use lecturing you, you know as well as I that the Russian are essentially doing the same deal in Iran. They desperatly want to take the region over. They need warm water ports. Lots of gas/oil pipelines. They need to do all in their power to regain what they believe represents super power status. They must over a long period of time make sure socialism is the accepted means governance globally, regardless of the cute charades they attempt to deceive with in the mother country.
And above all they like the stupid Europeans must do all they can to oppose the US when it appears they can get away with it. Problem is they all are afraid of us from the economic as well as the military viewpoint.
As you quite aware, this whole Iranian nuclear weapon problem really rests on the Russians lap. Like they and the French primarily did with Saddam, the Russians are doing once again with the Iranians. Well as we know, since the Sha of Iran got the boot and the goons got in.
At any rate. As far as I am concerned, the cold war never went away, it just became a bit more, how should we say, lucent to the causual observer and for those that prefere to turn their heads away from the realities. GWB plays footsies with Vlad and company out of neccessity, not by choice.

[SengirV]

If they did, I'd imagine Saddam would have blown all the bridges to slow the allied advance, in order to inflict maximum casualties.


I doubt this happened.

[Cringing Negativism Network]

receiving allocations of 3 million barrels of oil — worth roughly $1.5 million.

Huh?? 50 cents a barrel?

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(I think that's the value of the "allocations" - the amount of take inherent in the contracting of 3 million barrels)

[BARLF]

That's one boob that was always cozy with the Russians. So was the boob's dad if I remember correctly.

[spetznaz]

The first document (CMPC-2003-001950) is a handwritten account of a meeting with the Russian ambassador that details his description of the composition, size, location and type of U.S. military forces arrayed in the Gulf and Jordan. The document includes the exact numbers of tanks, armored vehicles, different types of aircraft, missiles, helicopters, aircraft carriers, and other forces, and also includes their exact locations. The ambassador also described the positions of two Special Forces units. The second document (CMPC-2004-001117) is a typed account, signed by Deputy Foreign Minister Hammam Abdel Khaleq, that states that the Russian ambassador has told the Iraqis that the United States was planning to deploy its force into Iraq from Basra in the South and up the Euphrates, and would avoid entering major cities on the way to Baghdad, which is, in fact what happened. The documents also state "Americans are also planning on taking control of the oil fields in Kirkuk." The information was obtained by the Russians from "sources at U.S. Central Command in Doha, Qatar," according to the document.

To me, the more troubling thing is how that information got to the Russians. If the article is correct, and that the Russians knew our war plans, how did they get them?

Now, I'm sure they have the ability to know general positions of our armed forces, but to know the exact numbers as well as the actual invasion plans is not something that an orbiting satellite can provide. They got this information from some source, and if what the article says is true then that source was very well informed (and thus not some grunt fresh from junior ROTC).

How was this information obtained?

[spetznaz]

Well, if the Russians had any involvement, we knew every bit of it. The one thing we were always really good at was reading their mail.

True, but as I said in a prior post, THEY must have been reading OUR 'mail' to know of our plans. Which brings the question that I asked .....how did they know of our plans and numbers and positions, and to such detail? They either perfected clairvoyance, or they have a person (and pretty senior and/or with senior access) giving them the goods. If the plans were as accurate as the article claims then someone must have given them to the Russians.

[truemiester]

"The first document (CMPC-2003-001950) is a handwritten account of a meeting with the Russian ambassador that details his description of the composition, size, location and type of U.S. military forces arrayed in the Gulf and Jordan. The document includes the exact numbers of tanks, armored vehicles, different types of aircraft, missiles, helicopters, aircraft carriers, and other forces, and also includes their exact locations. The ambassador also described the positions of two Special Forces units. "

Probably got it off CNN.

[Ben Hecks]

Thanks for that link. I have always suspected that the Russians were in a panic and stayed in Baghdad to the bitter end to erase evidence of their backstabbing.

[BARLF]

Someone fed the info to CNN? I read where CNN was the only one that got the date right on when the war would start.

[BARLF]

Ha, see post 54.

[spetznaz]

This 'Mr Nobody' (to quote a British tale from my childhood whereby everything that went amiss, or for that matter went missing, was attributed to Mr Nobody since no one would own up) who goes around 'giving' information needs to be tracked down. While some may blame CNN for broadcasting such information (and they SHOULD have the prudence to still their tongues) I personally think the lion's share of the blame belongs to Mr Nobody. After all it is he who is leaking info to the media and/or foreign powers.

What the media and/or foreign powers do with that information is obviously to be expected (i.e they will use it to either augment their ratings when it comes to the media, or use it to augment their leverage when it comes to foreign powers) ....however the only reason behind Mr Nobody's information diarhhea is treason (or, at the least, extreme inanity).

Who is this Mr Nobody?

[Ursus arctos horribilis]

Don't trust this ABC trickery, = Lucy pulling the football back at the last moment.

[Ursus arctos horribilis]

Not to worry, before they were released, the state department only did so with caveat they could not confirm they were even authentic, or true.

So, our own state department rides once again to the enemy's rescue, even as we discuss this.

[1035rep]

Thanks for the ping

[justa-hairyape]

Here is the 'Coalition of the Willing'. There are perhaps a couple of possibilities for a traitor to be amongst them.

Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Hungary, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, the Philippines, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom and Uzbekistan. Source: US State Department