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Posted on 03/25/2006 1:05:50 PM PST by jveritas
In page 3 this Saddam Regime document ISGZ-2004-019744.pdf dated February/3/2003 there is a request to supply Chemical gear for the Chemical group. This document is a letter from an Iraqi Export and Import Company Vendor addressed to the Iraqi Army Commission Of Equipment stating his pleasure to provide the Chemical Gear for the Chemical Group and he goes into Chemical gear equipment he can provides. This Chemical Group is part of the Feedaeyeen Saddam as other parts of the document indicate.
Beginning of the translation page 3 of the ISGZ-2004-019744.pdf :
In the Name of God the Most Merciful The Most Compassionate
To the Secretary/ The Commission of Equipment
Subject: Equipping The Chemical Group
I am pleased to present an offer (The Assembly against the Chemical Strike) and it contains the following parts:
Knowing that this assembly is from Belgian origin. Please inform with the extent of your need of this assembly and the quantity (Since the price is connected to the quantity) and as soon as possible to allow us to agree to import it to the country and as soon as possible.
This and accept our best appreciations considering ourselves faithful soldiers to serve this country under the Leadership of the redeemer Saddam Hussein (God protect and shepherd him) and from victory to victory and from God the success.
Wadah Abdel Wahed Al Rawi
Al Mansour/ Al Andalos Street 611/ drive 10/ Al Baali Building PhoneL 5436500
End the translation of page 3.
This is from Feberuary 2003!!! I think there is even more than just an active Chemical Platoon.
Do I not recall that our troops discovered lots of this chemical weapons protective gear during the initial days? Our troops were fully outfitted as well for such an event. Both sides apparantly had reason to believe this eventuality was highly possible.
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"Do I not recall that our troops discovered lots of this chemical weapons protective gear during the initial days?"
UK: Chemical suits found in Iraq
Thursday, March 27, 2003 Posted: 3:15 PM EST (2015 GMT)
LONDON, England (CNN) -- British military officials said Thursday they found chemical weapons protection suits when Iraqi infantry abandoned a headquarters facility in the oil fields of southern Iraq.
Chemical platoon thread here:
Thought process going on here....I don't see anything specific to an offensive capability....but seems to be specific to only the Chemical Group....was he not equipping the regular soldiers with some of the same equipment....would be a question....course the plan would be only that the enemy would be hit by the chemicals...
So by INF ERENCE
Can't we say that the Chemical Group is an Offensive group!!!! Just trying to nail down obvious things......
Thanks, Mo1. I thought so.
I assume this ties in to the oil-for-food scandal?
Of course, it could be code for deflection of real source
Even up to the point that US forces were driving toward the Kabala Pass, Saddam had so compartmentalized his military that senior military commanders were not sure or not if Iraq had chemical or biological weapons. It was only after the US Marine Expeditioary passed through Karbala that Saddam Hussein told his own senior military commanders that they indeed did NOT have WMD. He had up until that time maintained the Chemical Platoons to reassure his military, and to threaten the Kurds and Iranians, with their assumptions made about Iraq's WMD capabilities.
The Chemical Platoons described in jveritas' previous post today has the same platoon composition as has been the standard Chemical platoon for the Iraqi military since 1983.
The purchase of the Belgian chemical protection equipment was a rouse to fool senior Iraqi commanders and the outside world...
If your unit is firing chemical weapons they still need to be protected, particularly if there is a chance the wind could blow back your way.
Interesting scenario and would be supported by the AP's "poor frustrated Saddam" reporting on the tapes where Saddam and other officials say they have no chemical weapons.
What's that old saw: "Justice will out."
One can hope...
If they're glued to TVs all they're seeing is march madness ... Fox News needs to get behind this document release and start reporting it because it's going way under-reported. Too many of my well-informed friends are only vaguely or not at all aware of this until I tell them about it.
No smoking gun here..close but no.
Yes that would be an offensive unit,....right!
Keeping digging in those 40,000 boxes...the truth is out there.
Agreed.....I doubt one document would have a smoking gun, they probably made sure they destroyed the cache of such,....but by inference we can get some ideas,....course the MSM will be working hard to prove otherwise....
I'd be very surprised if we found a smoking gun. Unless there's a handwritten note to Saddam that says something like, "Take the WMDs here" with a hand-drawn map showing a road to Syria, I doubt we'll get a "smoking gun." These documents, taken in their totality, are continuing to bolster what most of us agree was a good cause to begin with ... the invasion and regime change in Iraq. The preponderance of the evidence continues to mount, and the smoking gun is the documents as a whole.
I think that much can be gained from determining if this was declared activity or not.
Hold on for a minute and I'll get Koffi on the phone and get that question answered post haste! /sarc.
Wether these tidbits were declared or not does more than infer, imho.
That presumes that stories of WMD being moved to Syria are false. Their is a hypothetical that allows both to be true. Perhaps Saddam did not have artillery WMD munitions, but did have WMD munitions deliverable by plane or helicopter. So therefore, the artillery was a rouse, but the air munitions were taken to Syria. He was not able to use his air force due his loss of control of all airspace. And any planes or helicopters were taken out during the initial air strikes. That may explain why the Soviets gave up and moved them out, hypothetically.
So President Bush did not lie to us about Iraq WMD's if these two documents are telling about Chemical activities and even if we assume that its purpose were to fool his military and make them think that they still have WMD. If his military was deceived by him on the WMD issue all the way till the end, then the "Left Lie" that President Bush lied to us on Iraq WMD is being destroyed more and more by these documents.
See this lengthy and fascinating analysis from the documents by wretchard at Belmont Club:
The other striking thing in Document CMPC-2003-001950 was why the Russians should be particularly worried about the smallest component of the deployment:
4- The ambassador pointed that what worried us (most probably us refers to the Russians) was the increase in the number of planes in Jordan where the number of planes in Al Sallt base was as follows: 24 planes F-16 10 planes Tornado 11 planes Harrier He also mentioned that there were 10 A-10 tank destroyers in the Jordanian base of King Faysal.
Why were these relatively small forces so worrisome? My guess is their location near the Iraq-Syrian border and the composition of these air units were suggestive of support for an air assault attack on traffic to and from Syria. What was moving between Iraq and Syria that would be of concern to the Russians?
Foxnews is not reporting on these documents because they believe what some intelligence people (mainly bureaucrats) are saying, and that is there is nothing important in these documents. Foxnews is not the best investigative news outfit, and they spend much more time talking about tabloid news than the real news.
"I'd be very surprised if we found a smoking gun. Unless there's a handwritten note to Saddam that says something like, "Take the WMDs here" with a hand-drawn map showing a road to Syria, I doubt we'll get a "smoking gun." "
See post 31 and bold type for smoking gun by inference.....
I've had differences with you in the past but I am 100% behind your efforts here... you are the man!
"So by INF ERENCE
Can't we say that the Chemical Group is an Offensive group!!!!"
I think it's a reasonable inference that the Iraqi Army was preparing for chemical warfare. Now, since the U.S. hasn't used chemical weapons since 1918, had signed agreements banning their use, and was publically in the act of destroying chemical stockpiles, whose chemical warfare was the Iraqi Army preparing for?
thank you for adding me to the ping list! Can someone explain why the documents are divided into three different sites and why the documents from the (also here) site don't seem to have any translations?
Operation Iraqi Freedom Documents
Documents from the Harmony Database
I borrowed eyespysomething's ping list this time, it's actually her list ... Iraqi freedom documents are taken from Iraq; Harmony database documents are from Afghanistan and "and here" is tied to the operation iraqi freedom docs, just a different link that sometimes automatically pops up.
Do I not recall that our troops discovered lots of this chemical weapons protective gear during the initial days?
Yes, and our troops found supplies of atropine pre-loaded syringes, that also were purchased from foreign suppliers (French?). Apparently every Iraqi commander knew that he and his troops did not have chemicals but were told that the commands to their right and left had them, so all had to be prepared for the activation of the chemicals against the invading forces. All were shocked that no chemicals were used.
Remember the chickens that our troops took on the march, to be their early warning system, their canary in the coal mine?
Some of the items we found when we entered Iraq were all these chem-suits and atropine injectors. I always believed they had them for more than just a fashion statement.
Yes--their claim of being "over-extended" tends to lose credence as they cover every little sneeze out of Aruba.
Where the "F" is the MSM on this?!?!?
Having a Fox News Alert about the Dam Killing of the Minister...who gives a rats ass anyway!
Iran has large numbers of chemical weapons, used chemical weapons against Iraq in the Iran-Iraq War, and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis died in that war, and the Persians and Arabs have fought continuously for about 3,000 years.
People are really twisting themselves into pretzels trying to turn the presence of a chemical decontamination unit, a type of unit common in militaries throughout the world that don't have any chemical weapons and don't really have obvious enemies, into something more than it is.
Please establish for me how you came to the conclusion this is only a defensive decontamination unit. Then please show me when and where this entity was declared as demanded under multiple resolutions.
The only thing that would make this unit legit is IF it was declared. Do you know the answer to wether it was or not? If not then I suppose I could turn your own words back on you and say that you are twisting yourself into a pretzel trying to turn the presence of this entity into something valid.
You are giving Saddam the benfit of the doubt. It is fine for you to do so but I ask why it is he deserves that benefit from you.
The key here is wether or not this was declared. That is the question to ask that, when answered, will show what this really was.
Can you tell me where you heard that Fox News is not reporting on these documents because they were told by someone in government to ignore them? I want to follow up with whoever at Fox you heard that from. Thanks
LOL!!! missing girls and car chase.
Per the UN resolutions everything that was remotely related to Chemical was forbidden in Iraq, offensive or defensive it does not matter. This Chemical Platoon in 2001 was simply illegal.
JANUARY 16, 2003 : (IRAQ : UNMOVIC DISCOVERS EMPTY CHEMICAL MUNITIONS - IRAQ ACTS INNOCENT AND APPOINTS A "COMMISSION OF INQUIRY" ) Among other developments, the report [ the twelfth quarterly report of the Executive Chairman of the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC) in accordance with paragraph 12 of Security Council resolution 1284 (1999), covering UNMOVIC's activities from 1 December 2002 to 28 February 2003.] notes that, on 16 January, UNMOVIC inspectors discovered a number of empty 122-mm chemical munitions. Following that discovery, Iraq appointed a commission of inquiry. - "Statements to the UN Security Council by two Inspectors and Members of the SC, 7 Mar 2003 ," UN Press Release SC/7682, 07/03/2003, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/859554/posts
JANUARY 16, 2003 : (IRAQ : UN INSPECTORS DISCOVER PREVIOUSLY UNDISCLOSED WARHEADS FOR CHEMICAL WEAPONS). Previously undisclosed warheads for chemical weapons are discovered by UN inspectors. -- via "Bio-Chemical Weapons & Saddam: A History, " Various Sources , 02-20-03 , by PsyOp