Boehner hints a back down on 'amnesty'

The Washington Times ^ | March 29, 2006 | Charles hurt

[surely_you_jest]

House Majority Leader John A. Boehner refused yesterday to rule out compromising with the Senate to expand the House border security bill to include a guest-worker program or provisions that opponents call "amnesty." "Let's wait and see what the Senate can produce," he told reporters yesterday when asked whether House Republicans would reject the Senate Judiciary Committee's proposal to allow the estimated 12 million illegal aliens now in the U.S. to seek citizenship after paying a fine.

[Miss Marple]

Name the places in the USA from which you can get tomatoes Nov-March. Answer: Florida, Texas, and California.

In all of those states, they currently operate with migrant workers, many of whom are illegals. That is the basis of the current pricing on tomatoes.

SO, without the illegals we will probably not get tomatoes from those states, as the cost (even with mechanization) will be prohibitive. And if we don't buy from Mexico, we will have to import from faraway countries, also very expensive.

This is not important to me, as I can do without tomatoes for those months, and grow my own and freeze extra in the summer. It does show how things in the economy can change based on the final bill.

[Once-Ler]

You're pretty cozy with a poster who was barely banned prior to you signing up.

You have a sharp eye Indy. Oh wait, perhaps he also browsed this forum for almost four years, and never bothered to post because the anti-intellectual swarm of Bushbots would consistently stiffle debate.

[Indy Pendance]

"Fact is, no one knows the actual number. That's kinda the point."

So, your 20 mil claim, that you've been spouting on this thread, is 'made up'?

[Dane]

From day one, Bush has been talking nonsense about "family values don't stop at the Rio Grande"

And what is so evil about "family values" and why should they stop at the Rio Grande?

[Do not dub me shapka broham]

Agriculture in this country has been hindered for decades because of an over-reliance upon cheap, imported labor.

The agricultural industry in California was modernizing, the grape pickers-among others-were being paid higher wages, some parts of the industry were being automated-and thus those workers were becoming redundant-and the necessity of relying upon an antiquated, manpower-reliant system of harvesting was become less pressing.

In other words, things were progressing as they normally should in a modern, post-industrial, Western nation.

The reversion to migrant farmers and illegal aliens paid minimal wages is hindering-not helping-U.S. agriculture.

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

He left?

[gsan]

Hmmm -- How do we rank the success of other countries that have guest workers? Japan ... Switzerland ... Aruba? What do they do that makes their programs successful?

[Howlin]

So, your 20 mil claim, that you've been spouting on this thread, is 'made up'?

Well, based on the "truancy" picture up the thread, I'd say that's a safe bet.

[Dog Gone]

So you contend that illegal immigration is needed in order for Americans to have fruits and vegetables? You're selling the American people short.

You can't understand basic english. That is nowhere near what I said.

I give up with you.

[EternalVigilance]

Workplace enforcement plummets under Bush

By Chris Kelly · June 22, 2005 01:45 PM

Yesterday Richard Stana of the Government Accountability Office told a House panel that under the Bush administration workplace enforcement of immigration violations had fallen sharply. For instance, consider the numbers of employers who received formal letters warning about possible fines for violating immigration laws:

Under Clinton in 1999: 417 employers
Under Bush in 2003: 3 employers

In part this is certainly due to more focus on the border and on possible terrorism, and ICE does have a specific program targeting illegal aliens working at sensitive facilities: see the fairly frequent arrests at Navy shipyards for examples.

However, no doubt a good part of the drop-off is due to "other factors."

Complete details in "Employer sanctions decline" (also here as "Auditors find drop in immigration enforcement at worksites"), or in "Critics cite lax efforts to enforce federal worksite immigration laws".

UPDATE: There are more quotes in "Witness says ICE lax on employers".

UPDATE 6/23/05: Unfortunately, Drudge is linking to the Reuters report "Lawmakers seek to crack down on illegal immigrants" from Alan Elsner. As a breezy introduction to current issues, it's OK, but it is somewhat misleading and it buries the lede. It starts out:

Life for the estimated 10 million illegal immigrants living in the shadows in the United States could soon get even tougher as states and the federal government pass new legislation cracking down on them...
It goes on to mention Arizona's Prop. 200 without mentioning the efforts in Arizona to block it or reduce its impact, then it quotes the National Council of La Raza (National Council of The Race), then it mentions Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX)'s guest worker program, then it quotes the NCLR again.

Only in the 12th paragraph does it say this:

In recent years, the government has done almost nothing to enforce the law banning the employment of illegal immigrants.

That and the next paragraph discuss the content of the rest of this post. Then, it gives a paragraph to what was discussed in the post "Can employers verify Social Security numbers?" and it closes with a quote from Dan Griswold of the Cato Institute.


http://michellemalkin.com/immigration/2005/06/22/01:45.pm

[Mojave]

And what is so evil about "family values"

Anchor babies.

[Dane]

The agricultural industry in California was modernizing, the grape pickers-among others-were being paid higher wages, some parts of the industry were being automated-and thus those workers were becoming redundant-and the necessity of relying upon an antiquated, manpower-reliant system of harvesting was become less pressing.

And you are an agricultural expert how?

[Mo1]

Fact is, Peach, Bill Clinton's administration did a better job of enforcing the laws against hiring illegal aliens.

Huh??

haven't you forgotten how he ignore the FBI and bypassed background & criminal checks on 1.2 immigrants in 1995?

[EternalVigilance]

Well, based on the "truancy" picture up the thread, I'd say that's a safe bet.

Liar.

[arasina]

What's going on? I don't get what onyx forget.

Why is everyone fighting?

I'm leaving soon, Peach. I know I told you I was going to hang in there and I know most people around here could give a hoot, but this place sucks anymore. I'm surprised onyx hasn't called me a troll since we haven't been in agreement lately, even though "ya'll" have known me since I joined 3 years ago.

I can't believe how posters (like do not dub me shapka broham) got ganged up on and kicked at today. It's like everyone wants to stand in a circle around a disagreeing FReeper and point at them and laugh. And then laugh more and say things like 'that poster is ZOT!' Not exactly mature and graceful. Yes, I am a sensitive person and do tend to take things personally.

And yes. Mineral Man, Larry Lucido, Petronski, and Pukin Dog: arasina WILL be writing an opus but it will surely be ZOTTED upon entry so you won't be able to read all my dreadfully exciting farewell words.

Insert arasina's signature smiley-----> :o)

[Dane]

Anchor babies

I don't see how "Family Values don't stop at the Rio Grande", means anchor babies, since those babies were born north of the Rio Grande.

[Dog Gone]

Sure, machines will replace human labor if practical. But the most cost-effective method will be employed.

There's nothing new about that.

[Howlin]

You certainly are.

[Do not dub me shapka broham]

Japan has-or had, rather-one of the most restrictive immigration systems in the world.

It's a homogeneous nation.

Second and third generation Koreans-keep in mind, these are people who come from a country that was essentially a colony of Japan for years-are denied Japanese citizenship.

Forget about awarding that privilege to people who come from an even more distant culture.

If America had a system in place like that of Japan-instead of having the most liberal laws in this regard of almost any country on the planet-then perhaps a bracero/guest-worker program might make sense.

[EternalVigilance]

http://michellemalkin.com/immigration/2005/06/22/01:45.pm


Yesterday Richard Stana of the Government Accountability Office told a House panel that under the Bush administration workplace enforcement of immigration violations had fallen sharply. For instance, consider the numbers of employers who received formal letters warning about possible fines for violating immigration laws:

Under Clinton in 1999: 417 employers
Under Bush in 2003: 3 employers