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What questions should we ask the RECRUITER?

Posted on 03/30/2006 1:37:22 PM PST by GottaLuvAkitas1

My daughter is talking to RECRUITER for military service, and we have someone coming by from the Army tonight.

Can you please help me with questions to ask?

We plan to talk to all branches before she decides. Thank you for any help.


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1 posted on 03/30/2006 1:37:23 PM PST by GottaLuvAkitas1
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1

I got two words for you.

Air Force.


2 posted on 03/30/2006 1:39:09 PM PST by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1

GET A GUARANTEED MOS (MILITARY OCCUPATIONAL SPECIALTY) BEFORE YOU SIGN ANYTHING! ALSO DEMAND A RANK OF E2 OR HIGHER UPON COMPLETION OF BASIC TRAINING!........


3 posted on 03/30/2006 1:39:31 PM PST by Red Badger (I must not fear.Fear is the mind-killer.Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.....)
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1

Get any promises in writing. Ask about delayed enlistment in order to guarantee training in a desired field. Ask about the minimum obligation for the desired training. Save the Air Force recruiter for last, because that is who she will end up enlisting with. ;^)


4 posted on 03/30/2006 1:40:17 PM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: calljack; GottaLuvAkitas1

Agree!


5 posted on 03/30/2006 1:41:08 PM PST by arbee4bush (Our Airman Daughter KB4W--Hero, Patriot and the Love of her mom & dads life!)
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To: Red Badger

"GET A GUARANTEED MOS (MILITARY OCCUPATIONAL SPECIALTY) BEFORE YOU SIGN ANYTHING! ALSO DEMAND A RANK OF E2 OR HIGHER UPON COMPLETION OF BASIC TRAINING!........"

Ok. I have no idea what that means. Can you please explain.
My husband was in the Airforce, but I know nothing about the military stuff.

Can she get these things right out of high school?


6 posted on 03/30/2006 1:41:58 PM PST by GottaLuvAkitas1 (Ronald Reagan is the TRUE "Father Of Our Country".)
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1; Red Badger

Just like the Badger says, get a guarantee on a job! Only problem is the Recruiter probably can't give that guarantee himself. That happens at a MEPS for the Navy (What I do incidentally).

Good luck!


7 posted on 03/30/2006 1:43:05 PM PST by twstearman ((Scratching head - Southerner lost in New England.))
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To: Yo-Yo

"Get any promises in writing. Ask about delayed enlistment in order to guarantee training in a desired field. Ask about the minimum obligation for the desired training. Save the Air Force recruiter for last, because that is who she will end up enlisting with. ;^)"

LOL! that is what my husband said. He told her to go with Air Force, but she is checking them all out.


8 posted on 03/30/2006 1:43:40 PM PST by GottaLuvAkitas1 (Ronald Reagan is the TRUE "Father Of Our Country".)
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To: Red Badger
ALSO DEMAND A RANK OF E2 OR HIGHER UPON COMPLETION OF BASIC TRAINING!

I thought that that was SOP.It was for us back in '69.

9 posted on 03/30/2006 1:43:44 PM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: Red Badger; GottaLuvAkitas1

My son is in Airborne school right now...He was E2 going into boot, and will be bumped up again shortly...

I helped him negotiate...He got a 40K signing bonus, and 95k for college if he wants it going out the back. On the 40k, they gave him 20k on completion of boot, and he gets a 5k per year bonus for each year he is in.

If your kid is smart and does well on the pre physical tests and the ASVAB...you can demand alot. His pre enlistment work that he did ensured the E2 entry...

Good luck...


10 posted on 03/30/2006 1:44:09 PM PST by antaresequity (PUSH 1 FOR ENGLISH - PUSH 2 TO BE DEPORTED)
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1
Has she taken any college courses? Some high schools offer college course credits.

My daughter graduated from basic E2 but had some college when she went in. Better pay grade :)

11 posted on 03/30/2006 1:44:24 PM PST by arbee4bush (Our Airman Daughter KB4W--Hero, Patriot and the Love of her mom & dads life!)
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1

What questions would you have or ask of a college or university?

What questions would you ask of an employer at the interview?

What questions would you ask of yourself regarding what you expect out of opportunity?


12 posted on 03/30/2006 1:44:49 PM PST by deport
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1

Getting a specific MOS does not always guaranty that you will work that job. I am not sure if they still have special catagory MOS's now or not. I always got an assigment in my MOS because of that. Had to fight for it one time, but we got there (they kept trying to assign me to the motor pool or mess hall).


13 posted on 03/30/2006 1:44:58 PM PST by Stashiu (RVN, 1969-70)
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1

Yes! It just means that she has a guaranteed job traing field after BASIC. Like Electronics or Computers. Otherwise, they'll put her into whatever they feel like they need. Cook, Clerk, Garbage can washer, etc...........And ask about BONUS money upon completion of advanced training..........


14 posted on 03/30/2006 1:44:59 PM PST by Red Badger (I must not fear.Fear is the mind-killer.Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.....)
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To: Red Badger

I think only the Army will guarantee an MOS.


15 posted on 03/30/2006 1:45:48 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1
It might also be a good idea to talk about duty stations and which ones are easier to get for which MOSs. I wouldn't believe every word a recruiter says, though. They are under intense pressure to deliver recruits and will often stretch the truth or outright lie. I agree with "get everything in writing". Even so, be aware that the needs of the Army (or Air Force or Navy or Marines) will always come first. She may also want to ask about educational opportunities and other benefits. Ask the dumb questions because when you're in basic training and you can't get help is not the time to realize that you need help.

And Hooah from an Army wife! :)

16 posted on 03/30/2006 1:45:52 PM PST by Kaylee Frye
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To: Red Badger
GET A GUARANTEED MOS (MILITARY OCCUPATIONAL SPECIALTY) BEFORE YOU SIGN ANYTHING!

Excellent advice. MOS is Army, AFSC (Air Force Specialty Code) is obviously Air Force. Each branch has their own. GET IT IN WRITING.

17 posted on 03/30/2006 1:46:07 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1

Make sure you ask specifically what MOS (Job) she will get. Don't take the answer, in the Communications Field.

IMO, make sure she gets the GI Bill. She'll have to put money in for it, but I have too many troops who didn't want it when they signed up, then realized they needed it when they got out.

Enlistments are for 8 years. Even if she does only 2 or 3 active, she is subject to recall for the whole 8.

Most bonus' are paid half up front (or completion of AIT)and the rest over a 2 or 3 year period. If she takes a bonus and does not complete her enlistment (except for certain medical reasons) the Government will come back and get that money. You might want to inquire about that.

Makes sure she gets everything the Recruiter told her in writing. If it's not in writing, you won't get it.

Good luck to you daughter.


18 posted on 03/30/2006 1:46:29 PM PST by Redleg1963
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To: Bella_Bru
Navy does, too :) No more undesignated Seamen, everyone gets a job.
19 posted on 03/30/2006 1:46:44 PM PST by twstearman ((Scratching head - Southerner lost in New England.))
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1

For a female the Air Force is the best bet, in the Army she will be constantly preyed on by the males and lesbians, while the Air Force will be similar, it may not be as aggressive or threatening.


20 posted on 03/30/2006 1:47:03 PM PST by ansel12
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To: calljack

What are the average fatality rates for my proposed duty?
That's a good one.
Really though, for a woman going in to the service I think the Air Force is by far the best choice.
Lifestyle can be very civillian like.
Work on the base 8-5 and go to off base housing if you can afford it. Can be a whole lot like a non military job.
I love the Air Force style.


21 posted on 03/30/2006 1:47:15 PM PST by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1

I could be very much mistaken,but if you're thinking "safety" for your daughter,think Air Force or Navy.


22 posted on 03/30/2006 1:47:29 PM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1

AN MOS is a military job code. If you want to be a computer tech you need to have the computer tech school guaranteed up front or she could wind up in infantry etc. Recruiters will tell you that people can choose specialties later after boot camp, can and get to are 2 differnt things. Get it in writting up front. Of course you have to qualify for the school based on the ASVAB test. Has she taken this? If not don't sign nothing until you have those scores see waht she qualifies for and then start looking at which service will give her the training she wants. And don't forget the Coast Guard, same pay and benefits but shall we say a different view of the world?


23 posted on 03/30/2006 1:47:32 PM PST by dblshot
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1

The Marine recruiter will ask her what she can do for the Corps, not what the Corps can do for her.


24 posted on 03/30/2006 1:47:36 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Red Badger
ALSO DEMAND A RANK OF E2 OR HIGHER UPON COMPLETION OF BASIC TRAINING!........

That was automatic when I served in the Navy about a hundred years ago. E-1 was recruit, E-2 was apprentice, E-3 was seaman, fireman, airman, corpsman, etc.

Is it different in other services, E-1 beyond basic?

25 posted on 03/30/2006 1:47:46 PM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1

It won't matter. Once she is in what will matter is how she conducts herself. If she is hardworking, honest and keeps her nose clean, she'll do great. If she is a victim type, trying to enforce the contract and threatening to call her folks or her Congrssman, she'll have a terrible time. I tell you this as a female who had a great time and was proud to serve in the US Army.


26 posted on 03/30/2006 1:48:34 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1
Has she already taken all of the tests and gotten back the results?

The results would help to refine the choices and opportunities, there isn't really much to talk about with a Recruiter until you know what is available.
27 posted on 03/30/2006 1:49:09 PM PST by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1

Good luck!!! If you ask me there ain't a higher calling than serving for your country!


28 posted on 03/30/2006 1:49:28 PM PST by Pondman88
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To: twstearman

Good, that's smart!


29 posted on 03/30/2006 1:49:41 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1
The Air Force has the best managers and good opportunity for advancement. The Navy has the best training and tech schools. IMHO young ladies should avoid the Marines and Army. If the recruiter makes any offers, have them put it in writing or don't believe it. Make sure you meet the aptitude and minimum entry requirements for a selected career field before you sign the enlistment papers. But my best advice is to only go in as an officer. Get your school behind you then select a military career. You will find it much more rewarding.
30 posted on 03/30/2006 1:49:44 PM PST by Ben Mugged (labor unions are socialism's shock troops)
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To: Pondman88

What the first guy said - Air Force


31 posted on 03/30/2006 1:50:40 PM PST by craig61a
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To: twstearman; GottaLuvAkitas1

Along with getting a guarantee on the MOS, get a guarantee on any additional training such as DLI (Defense Language Institue) if that is the direction she is looking to go in.


32 posted on 03/30/2006 1:51:16 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1
"What'd you get that medal for?" is a good ice breaker....

Good luck, when one member of a family joins- they all join.

33 posted on 03/30/2006 1:52:04 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1
tough to suggest without knowing why your daughter is intending to join the military, and what career fields she's interested in.

Without knowing anything however, I'd ask about the levels of equivalent civilian education her prospective military training would garner, and I'd want to see something in writing. Some tech schools last a year or more, some you can walk out with an associates degree, others bumpkus. There are tradeoffs to that education of course, and maybe your daughter is looking for an adventure or a challenge more than an education, but that would be one of my questions.

I'd also want definites on the lengths of required initial enlistment for her prospective jobs. Not everyone signs up for a three year tour, many of the more enticing jobs require four or five year terms. That's a five year commitment before your daughter gets to return to civilian life (or get a re-up bonus.)
34 posted on 03/30/2006 1:52:35 PM PST by jz638
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1

Ask about the Army recruiter about the Warrant Officer flight training program. Unless things have changed she can become a Warrant Officer and a helicopter pilot within a year, provided she can pass the flight physical and the aptitude tests. It's a tough program but very rewarding, of course I'm prejudiced as a retired Army Warrant Officer.


35 posted on 03/30/2006 1:53:19 PM PST by ladtx ("It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it." -- -- General Douglas MacArthur)
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1

If she ends up leaning toward the Air Force, I'd want to know how the proposed personnel cuts might affect her as a new recruit. Most of the cuts are coming on the enlisted side.


36 posted on 03/30/2006 1:53:24 PM PST by elc
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To: calljack

Agreed, Air Force.


37 posted on 03/30/2006 1:54:12 PM PST by JZelle
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1

Run, don' t walk to the AIR FORCE recruiter.

Having served 10 years in the Air Force I can tell you that not only do they have the best of everything, they also have the best training and jobs that are easily applicable to the civilian world. Navy second, Army third and I wouldn't even consider the Marines.

Try to find a job that involves a technical school longer than 6 months and require the rank of E2 upon completion of basic training. Also ask to see if they are offering bonuses based on specific career fields. The last two are things I wish I knew about when I signed up.

Most of all make sure your daughter knows that it is an honor to serve and it will be a positive life experience that she can use for the rest of her life.

Good luck,

Mike USAF 1995 - 2005


38 posted on 03/30/2006 1:54:23 PM PST by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1

my first question would be "hey RECRUITER, what's with the caps lock?"


39 posted on 03/30/2006 1:54:29 PM PST by isom35
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1

Save some time. Naval Aviation.


40 posted on 03/30/2006 1:54:58 PM PST by pabianice
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To: A.A. Cunningham

>>>>"The Marine recruiter will ask her what she can do for the Corps, not what the Corps can do for her."<<<<

God I LOVE the Marine Corps!


41 posted on 03/30/2006 1:55:00 PM PST by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: elc

Coast Guard. Every body counts more there.


42 posted on 03/30/2006 1:55:24 PM PST by GAB-1955 (being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the Kingdom of Heaven....)
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1

Two words: Army.


43 posted on 03/30/2006 1:55:24 PM PST by pabianice
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1

GET IT ALL IN WRITING! Don't let them sweet talk with the ole "Oh, yeah, that's not a problem!" B.S.

If it's not a problem (or "guaranteed"), then it needs to be in writing.

It might be different now, but back in the day, all bets were off if we were at war. It was in the contract.


44 posted on 03/30/2006 1:55:40 PM PST by toddlintown (Lennon takes six bullets to the chest, Yoko is standing right next to him and not one f'ing bullet?)
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1

Most important question: "Can I get that in writing?"


45 posted on 03/30/2006 1:55:41 PM PST by Doc-Joe
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1

Every comment advises that you seek a guaranteed MOS/AFSC. That is the abbreviation for Military Occupantional Specialty (Army) or Air Force Specialty Code. It is the exact job or skill each enlistee is trained and qualified for. I was an air traffic controller in the AF, a very desirable career field. Most of the young people who came into the AF to become controllers had to enter through the delayed enlistment program. Basically, what that means, is if you meet all the qualifications for a particular job then you enlist in the inactive reserve. While in the inactive reserve a person doesn't actually do anything military, basically they are waiting for a vacancy in the technical training school where they will go following basic training. For young controllers, the wait was anywhere from 8-10 months.

I can't speak for anything other than the AF, but if your daughter doesn't want to wait that long then she can enlist with a guaranteed job area. The AF breaks all the enlisted skills down into 4 areas; administrative, electronic, mechanical, and general. If she chooses this route then the AF will not guarantee her a specific job but rather they will guarantee her a job the category she choose. If she choose general she will be guaranteed a training in a skill in the general category only. Some good jobs, some bad, depends upon her ASVAB scores. About.com has some very good info on enlisted job skills for all the branches of the military and will list each AF skill in each of the 4 categories.

I strongly recommend that she pick a specific job she wants and enlists for training in that particular skill. And I also strongly recommend she go AF. That's not just because I retired from the AF but a lot of the training is better (I know that statement will upset many) and the living conditions are better. Good Luck!!


46 posted on 03/30/2006 1:56:00 PM PST by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: toddlintown

Beat me by a second.


47 posted on 03/30/2006 1:56:22 PM PST by Doc-Joe
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To: MikeWUSAF
...I wouldn't even consider the Marines.

Thank God a lot of good men do!

48 posted on 03/30/2006 1:56:26 PM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: Ben Mugged
But my best advice is to only go in as an officer.

In '69,during BCT,the Army wanted me to go to OCS.I turned it down largely because of the belief that the average life span of a Second Lieutenant in Vietnam was about two days.

Of course,things certainly might have changed since then.

49 posted on 03/30/2006 1:56:59 PM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: dblshot

"AN MOS is a military job code. If you want to be a computer tech you need to have the computer tech school guaranteed up front or she could wind up in infantry etc. Recruiters will tell you that people can choose specialties later after boot camp, can and get to are 2 differnt things. Get it in writting up front. Of course you have to qualify for the school based on the ASVAB test. Has she taken this? If not don't sign nothing until you have those scores see waht she qualifies for and then start looking at which service will give her the training she wants. And don't forget the Coast Guard, same pay and benefits but shall we say a different view of the world?"

I didn't realize she could take the ASVAB before she signs anything.
WOW, you guys are good!


50 posted on 03/30/2006 1:57:15 PM PST by GottaLuvAkitas1 (Ronald Reagan is the TRUE "Father Of Our Country".)
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