Posted on 03/31/2006 6:25:17 AM PST by adorno
In California's Silicon Valley, the superstars of the high-tech industry are all immigrants:
* Pierre Omidyar, born in France, founded eBay * Andrew Grove, born in Hungary, helped start Intel * Sergey Brin, from Russia, co-founded Google
Siva Singaram, from India, would like to follow in their footsteps.
"Currently I've got an idea for a startup company," says Singaram. "It's in the field of Internet advertising."
But because he has no green card, he'll have to return to India to start his company. Singaram and his wife Sangeetha, expecting a baby in May, are here on temporary skilled workers visas. By law, only 65,000 people a year can get those visas and it's difficult for them to become permanent residents.
(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...
Mething that some of their complaints are retitless and more than likely are just looking for excuses for staying in the U.S.
OK - let us keep 12 million illegals in case one of them has a good idea and starts a business...
India has lots of IT folks, but generally in my experience their calibre is far lower that most US engineers. I have met some that are amazing.. but most are just bit pushers that will never be more than individual contributors.
darn
H1-B visas are supposed to be temporary. I don't see the problem.
The legal immmigrants working in Silicon Valley in the technical sector are quite different from those streaming in from Mexico. How many high-tech jobs are held by illegial immigrants from Mexico? Yeah, that's what I thought. None.
Mething = methinks
Perhaps if we did not have 20 to 25 million illegals here we could allow more illegal immigrants.
Gee, what a unique idea...
what would the internet be like without advertising?
He could always just stay here. It's not like the ICE is gonna knock on his door tomorrow or the next day or the next decade.........or century...........
Maybe because we have a free market in this country and a higher standard of living?
bttt
Oh, boo hoo! I suspect most Americans are willing to forego his "genius."
Really? There are no American high-tech superstars? What about Steve Jobs? Bill Gates? Are they the only two? I find that hard to believe.
The Indian guys are usually very law-abiding. If they are no longer allowed to stay, then they leave.
Maybe that's why we should let more in. We already have enough law-breakers, how about a few law-obeyers?
I don't see why Bush is pushing the Guest Worker program so hard. We already have one - it's called the H1B program. The problem is that it keeps getting expanded and I've never seen any of these people ever go home. They stay permanently!
i have been wanting to start a discussion about revamping the immigration policy from the current lottery system to one which gives preference to English speaking people from anywhere who have credentials in the higher sciences and mathematics.
I would go so far as to encourage companies to put together wish lists for people with particular skill sets in medicine and sciences and try to match them up with candidates(ala recruitment) overseas with promises of an accelerated naturalization system to those qualifying.
this is the basic idea with the reason being that the US should be dominant in all areas of scientific and medical advancement. to do this, we should bring the best the rest of the countries have here and let the capitalist system do what it does best.
He could always open a 7-11 store.......
The story is nothing but pro-immigration propaganda. For every immigrant who is successful there are dozens of Americans that are just as or more successful. This story comes from MSNBC a liberal MSM organ that constantly attempts to brainwash the American public to believe in the left wing liberal agenda.The news bureau of NBC the parent company is loaded with journalists who are 80% liberal. Need I say more.
No problem - just as long as American companies who employ them pay them the same salary as Americans, and that those companies then don't get to lay off equivalent workers over age 40.
I've seen a lot of that.
"Ahhhh...do you want a slurpee?"
is as infamous as
"Tu tienes fries con su hamburgeuse?"
Because the US is on the cutting edge of technology and offers the best enviroment for entrepreneurs. Certainly, their home countries would be better off if they stayed home, but that would hurt the US.
The US has been the world's biggest beneticiary of the "brain drain." Our graduate schools in the hard sciences are dominated by foreigners. We need skilled, edcuated people, which is why we are constantly increasing the H1B visa levels. Our primary and secondary education systems are not giving us the people we need to run our ecomony.
I would much rather see us have a controlled immigration program that gives us the kinds of people we need to compete in the global economy. The current flood of ill-educated, unskilled Mexicans streaming across our borders in unprecedented numbers is exactly what we don't need.
Mething that some of their complaints are retitless and more than likely are just looking for excuses for staying in the U.S.
These are the kinds of people we should find excuses to keep them staying here.
"H1-B visas are supposed to be temporary. I don't see the problem."
That's weird. I know H1b's that have been here for years. They were brought in to replace older American techs that were laid off in a "right-sizing".
I know Paks open up motels and Indians open up 7-11's. So is that why motels never have 7-11's next door?........
In California's Silicon Valley, the superstars of the high-tech industry are all immigrants
Do you think this statement is true?
why don't they just run across the Mexican border?
A sizable chunk of the science and engineering doctorates went to non-U.S. citizens, according to the NSF. Of 23,152 doctorates awarded to students whose citizenship was known, 8,839 went to non-U.S. citizens. In engineering alone, foreign-born persons receiving doctoral degrees last year represented more than 60 percent of the total, according to the NSF. Between 1993 and 2002, foreign citizens earned just more than 57 percent of all engineering doctorates, the NSF said.
While I realize your comment is meant to be sarcasm, these great ideas and new companies were started by LEGAL immigrants.
The ongoing Indian Pakistan conflict has it's roots in New York believe it or not - it all started when a cabbie smashed his cab into a 7-11.
Give the Mexicans another generation or two here and things will improve. Same thing happened with the Cubans in So. Fla. They made Miami what it is today.
Because America has the investors to fund these companies, the talent to make these companies, and the businesses to sell these companies services to. You've got a better chance of your startup company making you rich in America than in India.
Why do we even have an H1B visa program when kids getting out of college today with computer science degrees can't find jobs. Yet Bush says we need more graduates with science and tech degrees. Is he out of touch. A little, you think. I also know many of my friends in the computer and tech fields who lost their jobs and could not find similar work and then had to leave the field.Its ridiculous!
If it's true that our graduate schools in the hard sciences are dominated by foreigners, then that's at best a shame, at worst a danger. Where will their loyalties lie? How many leaders in history were educated in one country, only to return to their homeland and become adversaries of the country which gave them their education? Maybe we should concentrate on educating our children and encouraging them to aim for excellence in science and technology and stop relying on foreigners to fill in the gaps.
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My point exactly. There are plenty of bright American kids who are interested in science. And yes, I know this from first hand experience in education.
Why are we recruiting people from overseas, and not giving American kids with good GPAs who have an interest in s&t a low cost education and the chance at a good job?
I call bs on this.
We'll start seeing these pro-illegal articles a lot over the next couple of weeks
I think there is a myth in our society that the brightest and best students don't need to worry about the costs of their education because of scholarships... but this simply isn't the case. If you don't play football or some other profitable sport and/or aren't a minority, most schools won't give full scholarships. I heard that tuition at Duke University is now over $40K per year.... Even at half-tuition, that will prevent many American kids from attending. That doesn't mean that our kids won't be able to compete. Most state institutions are affordable and many are excellent. But it does limit their options.
Maybe because kids "getting out of college today" are more skilled at raving, chuggalugging and spring-breaking than computer science.
I don't think the tech/science geeks are the raving types -- at least they weren't in my day. Our idea of a wild party weekend was a science fiction convention or a weekend of Dungeons and Dragons!
"I don't see why Bush is pushing the Guest Worker program so hard. We already have one - it's called the H1B program. The problem is that it keeps getting expanded and I've never seen any of these people ever go home. They stay permanently!"
Good! Jeesh, you hear so many people on this forum whine about jobs getting exported to India. Stop and think. We've got the best and brightest from some of these countries coming here and helping our economy. We need to expand this program and keep these people here. This is unlike the illegal criminals coming over the border.
Generally, the Cubans who came into the US had a higher education level and more skills. They had the ability and means to flee Cuba and leave the peasants behind. Most of the Mexcians who are coming here don't have the education or skills.
The Mexicans are coming in far greater numbers. It is unprecedented making it difficult for us to assimilate them. Based on census figures, California has 8.8 million foreign born citizens (in a population of approx 34 million in 2000). This represented an increase of 2.4 million since 1990. The number of Mexican-born in 2000 was 3.9 million compared to 2.4 million in 1990. Given the census methodolgy, I think these figures are grossly understated.
In a state like North Carolina, the number of Mexican born residents has risen from 8,751 in 1990 to 179,236 in 2000. In Arizona it has gone to 435,001 from 150,606 in 1990. 30 of the 50 states now have Mexican-born residents as the biggest portion of their foreign born population compared to 18 in 1990. What we are witnessing is an invasion, which is gathering in size and breadth.
And this doesn't include the numbers coming from the Carribean and Central America. El Salvador (Virginia, Maryland, and DC) and the DR (New York) have the largest representation in three states and DC. The DR popultion of NY has almost doubled in 10 years to 415,000.
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