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Immigrant brain drain in Silicon Valley
MSNBC ^ | March 30, 2006 | George Lewis, NBC News

Posted on 03/31/2006 6:25:17 AM PST by adorno

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41 posted on 03/31/2006 7:00:17 AM PST by jetson (throne)
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To: Chanticleer

My point exactly. There are plenty of bright American kids who are interested in science. And yes, I know this from first hand experience in education.
Why are we recruiting people from overseas, and not giving American kids with good GPAs who have an interest in s&t a low cost education and the chance at a good job?
I call bs on this.


42 posted on 03/31/2006 7:04:54 AM PST by bordergal
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To: righttackle44
Okay. Got that. But what is "retitless?" The only derivation I can think of is impossible. Even with surgery.

Is it a dirty joke?


Not a dirty joke, but maybe I'll turn it into part of the language. Just have to think of a meaning for the word and use it in a sentence.



But, I'm sorry I missed that in my original post:

it shoul've been "meritless"
43 posted on 03/31/2006 7:10:14 AM PST by adorno
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To: adorno

We'll start seeing these pro-illegal articles a lot over the next couple of weeks


44 posted on 03/31/2006 7:11:53 AM PST by zeugma (Anybody who says XP is more secure than OS X or Linux has been licking toads.)
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To: Courdeleon02
Why do we even have an H1B visa program when kids getting out of college today with computer science degrees can't find jobs. Yet Bush says we need more graduates with science and tech degrees. Is he out of touch. A little, you think. I also know many of my friends in the computer and tech fields who lost their jobs and could not find similar work and then had to leave the field.Its ridiculous!

Exactly right!

My son was attending college with a computer engineering major. After veviewing the prospects for computer science graduates, he decided to change his major. Too bad because, even if it's my opinion, he would've done great in the field.
45 posted on 03/31/2006 7:16:10 AM PST by adorno
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To: bordergal

I think there is a myth in our society that the brightest and best students don't need to worry about the costs of their education because of scholarships... but this simply isn't the case. If you don't play football or some other profitable sport and/or aren't a minority, most schools won't give full scholarships. I heard that tuition at Duke University is now over $40K per year.... Even at half-tuition, that will prevent many American kids from attending. That doesn't mean that our kids won't be able to compete. Most state institutions are affordable and many are excellent. But it does limit their options.


46 posted on 03/31/2006 7:19:40 AM PST by Chanticleer (Let us speak courteously, deal fairly, and keep ourselves armed and ready. T. Roosevelt)
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To: Courdeleon02
Why do we even have an H1B visa program when kids getting out of college today with computer science degrees can't find jobs.

Maybe because kids "getting out of college today" are more skilled at raving, chuggalugging and spring-breaking than computer science.

47 posted on 03/31/2006 7:20:00 AM PST by Lekker 1 ("Computers in the future may have only 1000 vacuum tubes..." - Popular Mechanics, March 1949)
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To: Lekker 1

I don't think the tech/science geeks are the raving types -- at least they weren't in my day. Our idea of a wild party weekend was a science fiction convention or a weekend of Dungeons and Dragons!


48 posted on 03/31/2006 7:22:16 AM PST by Chanticleer (Let us speak courteously, deal fairly, and keep ourselves armed and ready. T. Roosevelt)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

"I don't see why Bush is pushing the Guest Worker program so hard. We already have one - it's called the H1B program. The problem is that it keeps getting expanded and I've never seen any of these people ever go home. They stay permanently!"

Good! Jeesh, you hear so many people on this forum whine about jobs getting exported to India. Stop and think. We've got the best and brightest from some of these countries coming here and helping our economy. We need to expand this program and keep these people here. This is unlike the illegal criminals coming over the border.


49 posted on 03/31/2006 7:23:03 AM PST by cowtowney
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To: mlc9852
the Cubans in So. Fla. They made Miami what it is today.

Generally, the Cubans who came into the US had a higher education level and more skills. They had the ability and means to flee Cuba and leave the peasants behind. Most of the Mexcians who are coming here don't have the education or skills.

The Mexicans are coming in far greater numbers. It is unprecedented making it difficult for us to assimilate them. Based on census figures, California has 8.8 million foreign born citizens (in a population of approx 34 million in 2000). This represented an increase of 2.4 million since 1990. The number of Mexican-born in 2000 was 3.9 million compared to 2.4 million in 1990. Given the census methodolgy, I think these figures are grossly understated.

In a state like North Carolina, the number of Mexican born residents has risen from 8,751 in 1990 to 179,236 in 2000. In Arizona it has gone to 435,001 from 150,606 in 1990. 30 of the 50 states now have Mexican-born residents as the biggest portion of their foreign born population compared to 18 in 1990. What we are witnessing is an invasion, which is gathering in size and breadth.

And this doesn't include the numbers coming from the Carribean and Central America. El Salvador (Virginia, Maryland, and DC) and the DR (New York) have the largest representation in three states and DC. The DR popultion of NY has almost doubled in 10 years to 415,000.

50 posted on 03/31/2006 7:23:59 AM PST by kabar
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To: adorno
So I guess we get to watch the lamestream dinosaur media trot out a bunch of these stories for the next year or so.

Barf-o-matic.

51 posted on 03/31/2006 7:24:54 AM PST by Looking4Truth (Radical Muslims and Illegal immigrants: Too stupid to create so they invade or destroy.)
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To: Chanticleer

Yeah...I was trying to be funny. It's the graduates in Medieval French Literature that seem to think they deserve a high paying job when they get out. The kids need to assess where the job market needs are, and choose accordingly. This myth about "pick something you love" is great, but it doesn't put bread on the table.


52 posted on 03/31/2006 7:25:13 AM PST by Lekker 1 ("Computers in the future may have only 1000 vacuum tubes..." - Popular Mechanics, March 1949)
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To: adorno
By law, only 65,000 people a year can get those visas and it's difficult for them to become permanent residents.

But it's not difficult for them to come here and depress U.S. wages whether they stay or go. Just keep the revolving door open and let's all watch the middle class disappear.

53 posted on 03/31/2006 7:27:52 AM PST by Looking4Truth (Radical Muslims and Illegal immigrants: Too stupid to create so they invade or destroy.)
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To: adorno
If 65,000 H1B Visas are issued annually

Its about to be increased to 300,000 because INDIA is calling the shots to our corrupt Congress through "free trade" agreements, instead of the American citizen.
54 posted on 03/31/2006 7:30:23 AM PST by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: Chanticleer
Really? There are no American high-tech superstars? What about Steve Jobs? Bill Gates? Are they the only two? I find that hard to believe.

Hewlett, Packard, Scully, Ellison
55 posted on 03/31/2006 7:32:13 AM PST by frossca
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To: adorno
In a very related story: H-1B visas hit roadblock in Congress
56 posted on 03/31/2006 7:33:25 AM PST by adorno
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To: Chanticleer
If it's true that our graduate schools in the hard sciences are dominated by foreigners, then that's at best a shame, at worst a danger. Where will their loyalties lie? How many leaders in history were educated in one country, only to return to their homeland and become adversaries of the country which gave them their education? Maybe we should concentrate on educating our children and encouraging them to aim for excellence in science and technology and stop relying on foreigners to fill in the gaps.

Here is a good, balanced article on the subject: Is There a Science Crisis? Maybe Not

With an unemployment rate of 4.8%, the US economy is essentially at full employment. It is the envy of the developed world. In order to have an expanding economy, we need workers. Immigration, legal and illegal, accounts for our growing population. Without immigration, we would have a declining and aging population like Japan and most of Europe. The dirty little secret is that we need workers period.

That said, we need to control who comes in here so we can have a workforce that meets our needs. Allowing hoards of uneducated, unskilled Mexicans to pour across our border will hurt rather than help our economy in the long run. They are becoming an increasing burden on our social systems and a drain on our resources. They are also artificially dampening wages and benefits for Americans at the lower end of the economic scale.

57 posted on 03/31/2006 7:35:08 AM PST by kabar
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To: Chanticleer
Free Harvard tuition for students from low-income homes

(Mercury News wire services)

"Harvard University, the oldest college in the United States, said students from families with a combined income of $60,000 or less can attend the school for free.

The new program, the most generous in the eight-school Ivy League, will begin in September, the school said in a statement. Its plan also reduces the amount families with combined incomes of $60,000 to $80,000 will have to pay.

``These increases in financial aid build on and extend out emphasis on recruiting students from low-income backgrounds and send a clear signal to middle-class families who have all too often felt that Harvard and other leading institutions are out of reach,´´ Harvard President Lawrence Summers, 51, said in a statement.

Harvard's program builds on one Summers started two years ago that waived tuition for families earning less than $40,000, making the school the first in the Ivy League to offer such a plan. Since then, Yale and Princeton universities and the University of Pennsylvania have all announced similar programs, as has Stanford University.

Harvard, which has a $25.9 billion endowment -- the largest in the United States -- set its tuition, room, board and mandatory fees at $43,655 last week".

Another perk for Illegals?...

58 posted on 03/31/2006 7:36:13 AM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: adorno
The US should be courting highly educated, talented professionals who are adept at job creation. That is the whole point of this article. In the past, talented people came to this country from all over the world with a strong work ethic, creativity and brilliance. Now we've got construction workers and maids who can't speak English or read (Spanish, English or anything else).

The immigration laws should FAVOR talented, brilliant, educated people who can add to the economy. Instead, the current red tape prevents the talented from joining the US economy while it allows illegals who suck up the available resources, be it education, health care or welfare. Oh, and the reason most can't do business start ups (like in India) is that the bureaucracy in those countries makes it virtually impossible. The US laws lend themselves to entrepreneurship. It's all about innovation and job creation.
59 posted on 03/31/2006 7:38:48 AM PST by khnyny
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To: Chanticleer

Nope, my neighbor's daughter is extremely bright (over 4.0 GPA) and will be paying her own way through college.

Needless to say, Stanford probably isn't in her future with minimum wage at $6.75 per hour.


60 posted on 03/31/2006 7:39:57 AM PST by bordergal
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