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Immigrant brain drain in Silicon Valley
MSNBC ^ | March 30, 2006 | George Lewis, NBC News

Posted on 03/31/2006 6:25:17 AM PST by adorno

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To: antiRepublicrat
H1-B visas are supposed to be temporary. I don't see the problem.

Thst's exactly what they're lamenting, that the Visas only allow them to stay in the U.S. on a temporary basis. Most of them won't have any great ideas and will just be another member of a staff, but some of them are lamenting the fact that they'll have to return home to start the "next geeat killer app"? If they do have the next great business, why can't they take their talent back home and do it there? The people in their respective countries, I'm sure, would be appreciative of a new business that creates jobs.
21 posted on 03/31/2006 6:39:42 AM PST by adorno
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To: adorno

The story is nothing but pro-immigration propaganda. For every immigrant who is successful there are dozens of Americans that are just as or more successful. This story comes from MSNBC a liberal MSM organ that constantly attempts to brainwash the American public to believe in the left wing liberal agenda.The news bureau of NBC the parent company is loaded with journalists who are 80% liberal. Need I say more.


22 posted on 03/31/2006 6:41:53 AM PST by Courdeleon02
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To: APRPEH

No problem - just as long as American companies who employ them pay them the same salary as Americans, and that those companies then don't get to lay off equivalent workers over age 40.

I've seen a lot of that.


23 posted on 03/31/2006 6:42:11 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Red Badger


"Ahhhh...do you want a slurpee?"

is as infamous as

"Tu tienes fries con su hamburgeuse?"


24 posted on 03/31/2006 6:42:47 AM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: TommyDale
The legal immmigrants working in Silicon Valley in the technical sector are quite different from those streaming in from Mexico. How many high-tech jobs are held by illegial immigrants from Mexico? Yeah, that's what I thought. None.

True. But...

If 65,000 H1B Visas are issued annually, don't you think that a lot of American IT professionals would be displaced by many of those foreign IT workers?
25 posted on 03/31/2006 6:44:24 AM PST by adorno
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To: adorno
My question is: If these people are so talented, why do they need to be in the U.S. to start their dream business? Wouldn't their respective countries be better off having those people start businesses in their native countries? India, as an example, has a huge IT sector and I'm sure would be willing to welcome those 'entrepreneurs".

Because the US is on the cutting edge of technology and offers the best enviroment for entrepreneurs. Certainly, their home countries would be better off if they stayed home, but that would hurt the US.

The US has been the world's biggest beneticiary of the "brain drain." Our graduate schools in the hard sciences are dominated by foreigners. We need skilled, edcuated people, which is why we are constantly increasing the H1B visa levels. Our primary and secondary education systems are not giving us the people we need to run our ecomony.

I would much rather see us have a controlled immigration program that gives us the kinds of people we need to compete in the global economy. The current flood of ill-educated, unskilled Mexicans streaming across our borders in unprecedented numbers is exactly what we don't need.

Mething that some of their complaints are retitless and more than likely are just looking for excuses for staying in the U.S.

These are the kinds of people we should find excuses to keep them staying here.

26 posted on 03/31/2006 6:44:35 AM PST by kabar
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To: antiRepublicrat

"H1-B visas are supposed to be temporary. I don't see the problem."

That's weird. I know H1b's that have been here for years. They were brought in to replace older American techs that were laid off in a "right-sizing".


27 posted on 03/31/2006 6:45:34 AM PST by dljordan
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To: in hoc signo vinces

I know Paks open up motels and Indians open up 7-11's. So is that why motels never have 7-11's next door?........


28 posted on 03/31/2006 6:46:13 AM PST by Red Badger (I must not fear.Fear is the mind-killer.Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.....)
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To: adorno; Michael Goldsberry; aberaussie
Hi-Tech Americans ping

In California's Silicon Valley, the superstars of the high-tech industry are all immigrants

Do you think this statement is true?

29 posted on 03/31/2006 6:48:22 AM PST by Chanticleer (Let us speak courteously, deal fairly, and keep ourselves armed and ready. T. Roosevelt)
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To: adorno

why don't they just run across the Mexican border?


30 posted on 03/31/2006 6:49:13 AM PST by bella1
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To: Clemenza
Maybe because we have a free market in this country and a higher standard of living?

No doubt!

But, when they originally applied for the visa, they knew that it would be for a temporaty stay, and with a company that also understood that, that foreign worker was temporary.
31 posted on 03/31/2006 6:49:21 AM PST by adorno
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To: adorno

A sizable chunk of the science and engineering doctorates went to non-U.S. citizens, according to the NSF. Of 23,152 doctorates awarded to students whose citizenship was known, 8,839 went to non-U.S. citizens. In engineering alone, foreign-born persons receiving doctoral degrees last year represented more than 60 percent of the total, according to the NSF. Between 1993 and 2002, foreign citizens earned just more than 57 percent of all engineering doctorates, the NSF said.


32 posted on 03/31/2006 6:49:29 AM PST by kabar
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To: 2banana

While I realize your comment is meant to be sarcasm, these great ideas and new companies were started by LEGAL immigrants.


33 posted on 03/31/2006 6:51:01 AM PST by WashingtonSource (Freedom is not free.)
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To: Red Badger
I know Paks open up motels and Indians open up 7-11's. So is that why motels never have 7-11's next door?........

The ongoing Indian Pakistan conflict has it's roots in New York believe it or not - it all started when a cabbie smashed his cab into a 7-11.

34 posted on 03/31/2006 6:53:06 AM PST by ExpatCanuck
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To: TommyDale

Give the Mexicans another generation or two here and things will improve. Same thing happened with the Cubans in So. Fla. They made Miami what it is today.


35 posted on 03/31/2006 6:53:22 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: adorno

Because America has the investors to fund these companies, the talent to make these companies, and the businesses to sell these companies services to. You've got a better chance of your startup company making you rich in America than in India.


36 posted on 03/31/2006 6:56:32 AM PST by discostu (raise your glass of beer on high, and seal your fate forever)
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To: cinives
No problem - just as long as American companies who employ them pay them the same salary as Americans, and that those companies then don't get to lay off equivalent workers over age 40.

Ditto!

I'v'e seen a lot of that myself.

Indian and Chinese H1B visa holders who were recruited at a lower wage, and, soon thereafter, some of my fellow workers got layoffs while the Indians and Chinese remained to do their work (after having been trained by the same people who got laid off).
37 posted on 03/31/2006 6:57:38 AM PST by adorno
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To: dljordan

Why do we even have an H1B visa program when kids getting out of college today with computer science degrees can't find jobs. Yet Bush says we need more graduates with science and tech degrees. Is he out of touch. A little, you think. I also know many of my friends in the computer and tech fields who lost their jobs and could not find similar work and then had to leave the field.Its ridiculous!


38 posted on 03/31/2006 6:57:55 AM PST by Courdeleon02
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To: kabar

If it's true that our graduate schools in the hard sciences are dominated by foreigners, then that's at best a shame, at worst a danger. Where will their loyalties lie? How many leaders in history were educated in one country, only to return to their homeland and become adversaries of the country which gave them their education? Maybe we should concentrate on educating our children and encouraging them to aim for excellence in science and technology and stop relying on foreigners to fill in the gaps.


39 posted on 03/31/2006 6:58:21 AM PST by Chanticleer (Let us speak courteously, deal fairly, and keep ourselves armed and ready. T. Roosevelt)
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To: adorno
"Mething = methinks"

Okay. Got that. But what is "retitless?"
The only derivation I can think of is impossible.
Even with surgery.

Is it a dirty joke?
40 posted on 03/31/2006 6:59:29 AM PST by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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