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Ramzi Yousef, Oklahoma City, and Al Qaeda: Linked in Documents?
LauraMansfield.com ^ | April 3, 2006

Posted on 04/03/2006 5:23:48 PM PDT by Calpernia

Does an obscure document, hidden among the hundreds of documents released recently from Iraq and Afghanistan, provide evidence linking Al Qaeda operative Ramzi Yousef to the Oklahoma City attack on the MurrahBuilding?

The Arabic-language handwritten document, numbered AFGP-2002-801138, and available at http://www.ctc.usma.edu/aq/AFGP-2002-801138-Orig.pdf , contains a series of pages that were written in what appears to be some sort of daily planner.

The daily planner appears to be a standard daily calendar/agenda book, containing a daily calendar for the year 2000. The dates within the calendar are in English, and have the Islamic dates for each day as well.

The planner appears to be one sold commercially in Pakistan. The early pages of the planner are printed in English, and contain information that would be helpful to non-Urdu speaking persons in Pakistan, including emergency telephone numbers in Karachi, air travel times from Pakistan, and various other reference guides. It's interesting to note that the handwriting in the document is all in Arabic, despite the planner's Pakistani provenance.

A note at the beginning of the document states that the document was obtained from a "Boot Camp - Class of 2000" in Afghanistan. The term "Boot Camp" most likely refers to one of the Al Qaeda training camps operating in Afghanistan in that time period. Dated comments within the document confirm that the document was most likely written in the year 2000. Other notes indicate that the document is very likely a compilation of questions being prepared for use by Osama Bin Laden in the filming of a new videotape.

The document confirms the links between Al Qaeda and Sheikh Omar Abdul Rahman, convicted in the US for his role in terrorism planning in New York City, and Ramzi Yousef, convicted Al Qaeda operative, calling them "brothers" (see page 122).

In respect to our Brothers who are imprisoned in the United States and other infidel countries, are there attempts or hope to release them such as sheikh 'Omar 'Abd Al-Rahman, Ramzi Yousef and others?

And in a series of questions, apparently forming a set from which Bin Laden can select questions to discuss in a video tape, goes on to implicate Yousef (and indirectly implicate Al Qaeda) in the April 1995 attack on Oklahoma City (see page 192).

We hear about the Oklahoma explosion and that it is the largest explosion in America. Is it the one planned by Ramzi Yousef or not? (Note: This question was circled and marked with two (X) marks.

The document goes on to pose other questions to Bin Laden with regards to "the Americans".

One particularly disturbing question discusses rumors of nuclear weapons and Iraq, implying that Iraq was already in possession of nuclear missiles in the summer of 2000. It's interesting to note the repeated references to Iraq even though the document was found in Afghanistan, but isn't surprising given the fact that many of the "mujahideen" were actually men from the Arab countries, including Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt. (See page 178):

An Iraqi soldier said," America placed missiles with nuclear heads capability in Kuwait aimed on Russia and that what he saw with his own eyes. When Saddam occupied Kuwait he took these missiles along with its transporters and is still in Iraq. The United States is still looking for these missiles but could not find them because Saddam succeeded in hiding it. Is this claim true, and what do you think of it?

Many of the questions are quite ominous, and show that rumors of some sort of large scale attack against the United States was being planned in the summer of 2000.

What is the news about the battalions you are preparing? Do we have a role to play in it or not? We asked our instructors but no one gave an answer in this matter?

Why is there a delay in executing the martyrdom operations against the Americans?

We heard a lot about the (BATTALION) that will be dispatched from Afghanistan, are there news about it, and its destination?

Dear Sheikh, we pledged the legend to you to work and join Jihad movement, we will not let down, we are the soldiers of God. Please explain to us the importance of martyrdom operations against the American infidels?

One question is particularly disturbing:

What are the most famous and important American corporations that handle American interests and where is it located?

Other questions are more indirect - implying that the US of international "troublemaking".

Is it in the American interest to stir trouble in Iran? I read in a study that the United States created a Shiite state in case an eastern and a western Sunnis states clash or not with this Shiite state. The study concluded that Khumeini was delivered to Tahran during the revolution by an American combat aircraft?

As more of these documents are released and examined, it is very likely that we will find not only a wide range of "smoking gun" evidence regarding earlier terror attacks, but we will likely gain insight into the minds of Al Qaeda. Hopefully we will be able to translate this insight into prevention of future terror attacks.

Note: Special thanks to Freeper Peach for pointing out this document to me.

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For more translations and news on terrorism, visit http://www.lauramansfield.com


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; iraqiintelligence; jihadinamerica; okc; okcbombing; oklahomacity; prewardocs; ramziyousef; yousef
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1 posted on 04/03/2006 5:23:51 PM PDT by Calpernia
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To: Peach
Special thanks to Freeper Peach for pointing out this document to me.

Bump!

2 posted on 04/03/2006 5:24:29 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: KylaStarr; Cindy; StillProud2BeFree; nw_arizona_granny; Velveeta; Dolphy; appalachian_dweller; ...

ping


3 posted on 04/03/2006 5:25:14 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia; StillProud2BeFree

Thank you so much for making this its own thread, Calpernia!
You're a doll.

Freeper StillProud2BeFree is to be commended for analyzing this document.

Freepers interested in the OKC matter may wish to read this related thread:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1608291/posts?q=1&&page=251#254


4 posted on 04/03/2006 5:26:56 PM PDT by Peach
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To: eyespysomething

Ping to another translation.


5 posted on 04/03/2006 5:27:20 PM PDT by Peach
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To: ducks1944; Ragtime Cowgirl; Alamo-Girl; ziggy_dlo; TrueBeliever9; maestro; TEXOKIE; My back yard; ..

One particularly disturbing question discusses rumors of nuclear weapons and Iraq, implying that Iraq was already in possession of nuclear missiles in the summer of 2000. It's interesting to note the repeated references to Iraq even though the document was found in Afghanistan, but isn't surprising given the fact that many of the "mujahideen" were actually men from the Arab countries, including Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt. (See page 178):

An Iraqi soldier said," America placed missiles with nuclear heads capability in Kuwait aimed on Russia and that what he saw with his own eyes. When Saddam occupied Kuwait he took these missiles along with its transporters and is still in Iraq. The United States is still looking for these missiles but could not find them because Saddam succeeded in hiding it. Is this claim true, and what do you think of it?


6 posted on 04/03/2006 5:27:35 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

You even did the right keywords -- something I always goof up! LOL


7 posted on 04/03/2006 5:27:46 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Calpernia

I've always believed that the Oklahoma City bombing had an Islamic connection. Dittos for Flight 800. The Feds denied terrorist attacks whenever possible, but the WTC was impossible to assign to someone else.


8 posted on 04/03/2006 5:27:48 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (I like to make everyone's day a little more surreal)
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To: Calpernia

BTTT


9 posted on 04/03/2006 5:30:51 PM PDT by tiredoflaundry (She left suds in the bucket, And the clothes hangin' out on the line)
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To: All

So is this related?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1489385/posts?page=2#2

(More at main link)

In July 1977, the head of Pakistan's army, Mohammed Zia-ul-Haq, seized power and declared martial law, and in 1979, he hanged Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, the president who had promoted him. In retaliation, Carter cut off U.S. aid to Pakistan. In 1980, Herring went to Islamabad and was so entranced by Zia and his support for the Afghan freedom fighters that on her return to the United States, she encouraged Wilson to go to Pakistan. There he met Zia, learned about the Afghan moujahedeen and became a convert to the cause. Once Reagan replaced Carter, Wilson was able to restore Zia's aid money and added several millions to the CIA's funds for secretly arming the Afghan guerrillas, each dollar of which the Saudi government secretly matched.

Although Wilson romanticized the mountain warriors of Afghanistan, the struggle was never as uneven as it seemed. Pakistan provided the fighters with sanctuary, training and arms and even sent its own officers into Afghanistan as advisors on military operations. Saudi Arabia served as the fighters' banker, providing hundred of millions with no strings attached. Several governments, including those of Egypt, China and Israel, secretly supplied arms. And the insurgency enjoyed the backing of the United States through the CIA.

Wilson's and the CIA's greatest preoccupation was supplying the Afghans with something effective against the Soviets' most feared weapon, the Mi-24 Hind helicopter gunship. The Red Army used it to slaughter innumerable moujahedeen as well as to shoot up Afghan villages. Wilson favored the Oerlikon antiaircraft gun made in Switzerland (it was later charged that he was on the take from the Zurich-based arms manufacturer). Avrakotos opposed it because it was too heavy for guerrillas to move easily, but he could not openly stand in Wilson's way. After months of controversy, the Joint Chiefs of Staff finally dropped their objections to supplying the American Stinger, President Reagan signed off on it, and the "silver bullet" was on its way. The Stinger had never before been used in combat. It proved to be murderous against the Hinds, and Soviet President Mikhail S. Gorbachev decided to cut his losses and get out altogether. In Wilson's postwar tour of Afghanistan, moujahedeen fighters surrounded him and triumphantly fired their missiles for his benefit. They also gave him as a souvenir the stock from the first Stinger to shoot down a Hind gunship.

The CIA "bluebloods" fired Avrakotos in the summer of 1986, and he retired to Rome. Wilson became chairman of the Intelligence Oversight Committee, at which time he wrote to his CIA friends, "Well, gentlemen, the fox is in the hen house. Do whatever you like." After retiring from Congress in 1996, he became a lobbyist for Pakistan under a contract that paid him $30,000 a month. Meanwhile, the United States lost interest in Afghanistan, which descended into a civil war that the Taliban ultimately won. In the autumn of 2001, the United States returned in force after Al Qaeda retaliated against its former weapon supplier by attacking New York and Washington. The president of the United States went around asking, "Why do they hate us?"

Crile knows a lot about these matters and presents them in a dramatic manner. There are, however, one or two items that he appears unaware of or is suppressing. For the CIA legally to carry out a covert action, the president must authorize a document called a finding. Crile repeatedly says that Carter signed such a finding ordering the CIA to provide covert backing to the moujahedeen after the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan on Dec. 24, 1979. The truth of the matter is that Carter signed the finding on July 3, 1979, six months before the Soviet invasion, and he did so on the advice of his national security advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, in order to try to provoke a Russian incursion. Brzezinski has confirmed this sequence of events in an interview with a French newspaper, and former CIA Director Robert M. Gates says so explicitly in his 1996 memoirs. It may surprise Charlie Wilson to learn that his heroic moujahedeen were manipulated by Washington like so much cannon fodder in order to give the USSR its own Vietnam. The moujahedeen did the job, but as subsequent events have made clear, they may not be grateful to the United States.


10 posted on 04/03/2006 5:31:23 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Richard Kimball

Yeah. Had there been one plane crashing into one tower, we'd have only heard about the terrible navigation error, or some such...


11 posted on 04/03/2006 5:32:34 PM PDT by null and void (We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit. - Aristotle)
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To: StillProud2BeFree

come back and reference my pings on this thread later. I think my Islamic bomb notes may be related but I can't get those up until the kids are asleep.

I would be interested in cross referencing my notes with the file you are in.


12 posted on 04/03/2006 5:33:07 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Peach

Ping

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1608606/posts?page=12#12

Bump

BTTT!


13 posted on 04/03/2006 5:34:01 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Richard Kimball

I've got some docs I'll be adding later. I think I have an intel doc from Japan that ties these together to.


14 posted on 04/03/2006 5:35:18 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

I kinda doubt it. I don't think we allow local control of out nukes, and they all have a command destruct function that destroys the warhead without a nuclear explosion.


15 posted on 04/03/2006 5:35:19 PM PDT by null and void (We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit. - Aristotle)
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To: Calpernia

This is big news.


16 posted on 04/03/2006 5:36:28 PM PDT by AllmanBrosFan
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To: null and void

I've got news for you, there is a private company housing a large number of our nukes that belongs to the WTO. You know who to thank.


17 posted on 04/03/2006 5:36:47 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: null and void; Calpernia

I just translated the document - but I agree - I can't imagine the US leaving nukes in Kuwait.


18 posted on 04/03/2006 5:39:44 PM PDT by StillProud2BeFree (http://www.lauramansfield.com)
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To: Calpernia

Hmmmmmmm. Let me guess. Was it, uh, maybe, clinton???


19 posted on 04/03/2006 5:42:27 PM PDT by null and void (We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit. - Aristotle)
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To: null and void

About the same time he signed what ever that agreement was he made with the UN.


20 posted on 04/03/2006 5:44:39 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Color me shocked.


21 posted on 04/03/2006 5:45:43 PM PDT by null and void (We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit. - Aristotle)
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To: null and void
Yeah. Had there been one plane crashing into one tower, we'd have only heard about the terrible navigation error, or some such...

You have a point there.

When the first plane hit, my reaction was the pilots could not get the plane out of auto -pilot and were struggling to get manual control of the plane, and as bad luck would have it they hit a tall building.

When the second plane hit I knew it was statistically just about impossible for that to happen without it being deliberate. - Tom

22 posted on 04/03/2006 5:45:58 PM PDT by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: Calpernia
Congressman demands new OKC bomb probe, sees foreign connection, conspiracy beyond McVeigh, Nichols
23 posted on 04/03/2006 5:46:09 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: StillProud2BeFree

Without looking at my notes (will do after kids are all in bed), I'm assuming this is the Islamic Bomb referenced with the monies Murtha appropriated during Charlie Wilson's war.


24 posted on 04/03/2006 5:46:29 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Good deal. You are all doing a great job keeping the threads alive and with excellent information.

I have to watch "24" shortly but will check in after that.


25 posted on 04/03/2006 5:51:14 PM PDT by Peach
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To: StillProud2BeFree

We would have never put nukes in Kuwait to begin with. No need, tactically. Any need for a nuke could have been supplied by the USN or USAF dropping one off a plane.


26 posted on 04/03/2006 5:51:48 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right....)
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To: Calpernia

I know there is a FReeper who has long been tracking the OKC-mohammedian connection... can't recall her name... wrote a book concerning it, iirc


27 posted on 04/03/2006 5:53:40 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal. this would not be a problem if so many were not under-precise)
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To: Calpernia; StillProud2BeFree

Great job!


28 posted on 04/03/2006 6:01:29 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: King Prout; truthaboveall; doug from upland

Jayna Davis.


29 posted on 04/03/2006 6:02:38 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: Calpernia

Wow!


30 posted on 04/03/2006 6:02:44 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Velveeta

that's the name!
thanks!


31 posted on 04/03/2006 6:04:03 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal. this would not be a problem if so many were not under-precise)
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To: Calpernia
The Stinger had never before been used in combat. It proved to be murderous against the Hinds,

Not as I understand it until after a Russian pilot defected to Pakistan and the Stingers IR seeker could be properly calibrated.

32 posted on 04/03/2006 6:04:08 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Calpernia

ping for later


33 posted on 04/03/2006 6:04:37 PM PDT by TNdandelion
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To: Calpernia

Is anything in the world not our fault?


34 posted on 04/03/2006 6:13:02 PM PDT by highpockets
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To: Calpernia

FYI, the CTC at West Point was founded by Wayne A Downing AFTER he resigned from the Bush Administration. He is an incredible American ( many stories about him ) and he was a GREAT officer in the Army, It will be interesting to see what happens to the CTC and General Downing.


35 posted on 04/03/2006 6:13:58 PM PDT by Yasotay
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To: Peach; Calpernia; Chena; Valin; M. Thatcher; DocRock; Madame Dufarge; Txsleuth; SwatTeam; ...
Thanks Peach. Good work by you and Calpernia!

Ramzi Yousef, Oklahoma City, and Al Qaeda: Linked in Documents?

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Please add the keyword prewardocs to any articles pertaining to this subject.

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36 posted on 04/03/2006 6:20:02 PM PDT by eyespysomething
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To: Calpernia

bump


37 posted on 04/03/2006 6:20:08 PM PDT by Ca.Native.Southern.Soul (Longing for the Bible Belt)
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To: eyespysomething; Calpernia

The truth will get out BUMP.


38 posted on 04/03/2006 6:23:20 PM PDT by pissant
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To: eyespysomething

JVeritas has done an AWESOME job.


39 posted on 04/03/2006 6:24:33 PM PDT by StillProud2BeFree (http://www.lauramansfield.com)
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To: Calpernia

Will you ping me when you post those?


40 posted on 04/03/2006 6:25:01 PM PDT by eyespysomething
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To: Calpernia

Somehow my mind starts to wander and I begin to wonder what was in Sandy Bergers pants.....


41 posted on 04/03/2006 6:27:35 PM PDT by woofie
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To: eyespysomething

...and will you ping the list when they are up? Thanks!


42 posted on 04/03/2006 6:30:31 PM PDT by DocRock
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To: Calpernia

BUmp!!!


43 posted on 04/03/2006 6:37:29 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (Look for the union label--on the bat crashing through your windshield!)
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To: Richard Kimball

I am with you 100%! After the lone, depressed bomber, here at an OU football that blew himself up 'accidentally' but won't admit it had anything to do with terrorism lends credibility to your theory that they try to cover up terrorism ties.


44 posted on 04/03/2006 6:39:16 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Elect Bob Sullivan OK Governor -- Throw out Dem Gov DoLittle Henry in 2006!)
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To: Richard Kimball

I may have fallen for the flight 800 'accident'except there were too many eyewitness who claim they saw something fly up and strike it.Stinger comes to mind.Electrical spark my ass.


45 posted on 04/03/2006 6:41:52 PM PDT by xarmydog
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To: Calpernia

I hope that is not something that comes back to bite us.


46 posted on 04/03/2006 6:48:15 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: ScaniaBoy; Cooter; eyespysomething; B4Ranch; Alamo-Girl; Triple; MJY1288; potlatch; Shermy; ...
DOMESTIC TERRORISM ALERT. Please let me know by freepmail if you want to be put on or taken off this list. Thanks.
47 posted on 04/03/2006 6:56:00 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (Join the FR folding team!! http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=teampage&teamnum=36120)
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To: Peach

"I have to watch "24" shortly but will check in after that.:

My "problem" as well. I can't concentrate on both. :)


48 posted on 04/03/2006 6:56:51 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: eyespysomething

I saw this translation about OKC somewhere last week. I don't think this is remotely proof of a link between OKC and al Qaeda.

I am still of the opinion that the link probably exists, and am hopeful that these documents may contain proof, but this ain't that.


49 posted on 04/03/2006 6:59:49 PM PDT by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: DocRock

She will.


50 posted on 04/03/2006 7:00:58 PM PDT by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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