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Hands off 9/11 cross (Port Authority rethinks plans to remove WTC icon)
New York Daily News ^ | April 12, 2006 | PAUL D. COLFORD

Posted on 04/12/2006 7:41:53 AM PDT by presidio9

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To: Between the Lines

They are the same cross.


21 posted on 04/12/2006 9:15:57 AM PDT by eyespysomething (American liberals like everything about the struggle for freedom except the struggle.)
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To: Between the Lines

Second one. Here's how they found it. The photo was taken by firefighters. They took comfort in the setting that it was found, standing upright at the epicenter of the pile. Obviously crosses were an integral part of the building process.

22 posted on 04/12/2006 9:16:32 AM PDT by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K virus -only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: adam_az
Hebrew dittos here.

I'm Jewish, a "native" New Yorker, a former WTC worker, and someone who lost folks that day.

The rage/fear/anger the libs feel when they see that cross makes the solution clear:

Keep it. Display it.

23 posted on 04/12/2006 9:16:42 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: Red Badger

Rust itself can be an effective protective coating.
If they paint it yellow green -- yeesh!


24 posted on 04/12/2006 9:17:21 AM PDT by Kirkwood
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25 posted on 04/12/2006 9:17:54 AM PDT by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K virus -only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: Kirkwood

Another coating on top of the zinc chromate primer........


26 posted on 04/12/2006 9:19:47 AM PDT by Red Badger (I must not fear.Fear is the mind-killer.Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.....)
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To: eyespysomething
They are the same cross.

Sorry, but they are not. In the first picture the upright I-beam has valleys that face to the sides. In the second the upright I-beam has valleys that face to the front and back.

27 posted on 04/12/2006 9:22:06 AM PDT by Between the Lines (Be careful how you live your life, it may be the only gospel anyone reads.)
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To: presidio9

Thanks for the info!


28 posted on 04/12/2006 9:25:06 AM PDT by Between the Lines (Be careful how you live your life, it may be the only gospel anyone reads.)
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To: adam_az

Adam, one day that cross will mean somthing to you.(Phi 2:10-11), Yes even you.


29 posted on 04/12/2006 9:25:50 AM PDT by TheGunny
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To: nonliberal

I actually think all of this huge effort...millions in man-hours to build the right memorial...the various fights and legal battles yet to come....ought to be settled here and now. No memorial...except the dang 9/11 cross. Don't even paint the thing. Don't plant flowers around it. Nothing. Thats WTC steel...and it ought to stay there until NYC is covered with a 1,000 ft glacier and Xenu returns with the space aliens to reclaim Brooklyn as the sacred shore (well...or until Knicks win the championship again).


30 posted on 04/12/2006 9:26:08 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: TheGunny

"Adam, one day that cross will mean somthing to you.(Phi 2:10-11), Yes even you"

Don't hold your breath.


31 posted on 04/12/2006 9:28:48 AM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: presidio9

thanks for the post and the photos


32 posted on 04/12/2006 9:30:53 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Between the Lines
The one with the piece of metal stuck on one arm of the cross.
That cross was found standing upright in the rubble, had come from WTC 1 (North tower) and fell through the roof of building 6. There were actually several crosses in the same place, and the worker who found them spray painted "God's House" on the wall nearby. The one big cross with the metal piece was moved to a more visible location on Oct 3 (2001). This photo shows where it was found originally.



and this shows where it was moved.
33 posted on 04/12/2006 9:34:06 AM PDT by visualops (www.visualops.com ...Crime shouldn't pay: support LEGAL immigration...)
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To: FormerLib

Not many, I hope. As a non-Christian who disapproves mightily of things like posting the 10 Commandments in courtrooms, I see no reason why the cross should be removed. Lots of people who worked on the rescue and recovery efforts in the horrible days and weeks after the attack, drew comfort from it, and many of them and relatives of people killed in the attack still feel strongly that they want it there. The government didn't put it there, it's on what SHOULD be private property (the property was seized by eminent domain and later leased to a private developer in a sweetheart tax-avoiding deal), and it is in no way attacking any other belief system (unlike the Commandment which says "Thou shalt have no other gods before me"). The cross should stay; it's the Port Authority which should be kicked of the property.


34 posted on 04/12/2006 9:53:00 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: presidio9

I'm a lifelong practicing Catholic and a religious guy.

Giving this peice of metal any undue attention is silly to me, though. Leave it, remove it, move it: it's all the same to me.


35 posted on 04/12/2006 9:56:43 AM PDT by HitmanLV (Some people like to dash it out, but they just can't take it!)
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To: visualops

Thanks for the info and pics. As one who has never been able to bring himself to return to the Trade Center since 9/11/01, I appreciate it.


36 posted on 04/12/2006 9:58:14 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: HitmanLV

I'm with you to the extent that I don't get caught up in grilled cheese apparitions. Nevertheless, this cross brought comfort to a lot of people. Mass was said underneath it every morning during the recovery operation. In that sense, it is more than a piece of metal to some people, and one would think liberals would be going out of their way to protect the feelings of those who value it.


37 posted on 04/12/2006 10:00:35 AM PDT by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K virus -only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: HitmanLV

"Leave it, remove it, move it: it's all the same to me."

Do you feel the same about the crucifixs in your church?


38 posted on 04/12/2006 10:03:42 AM PDT by swmobuffalo (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.)
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To: presidio9
I agree. I'm just saying I give it no undue attention. Whatever most people want is fine with me. If an anxious, loud minority wants it removed, I'd be against it not on a substantive ground, but on the fact that a terminally offended minority can't expect their every whim humored by the majority.

If most NYCers want it removed, I'd be fine with that.

If most NYCers want it to remain, or placed in a memorial or other place of honor, I'd be fine with that, too.

I just have no horse in this race. Bigger fish to fry. That's all.
39 posted on 04/12/2006 10:03:57 AM PDT by HitmanLV (Some people like to dash it out, but they just can't take it!)
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To: swmobuffalo

Not at all - a crucifix should remain in a church.

This isn't a crucifix, and this isn't in a church, though.


40 posted on 04/12/2006 10:04:53 AM PDT by HitmanLV (Some people like to dash it out, but they just can't take it!)
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