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Minutemen to Bush: Build Fence or We Will
Associated Press ^ | ARTHUR H. ROTSTEIN

Posted on 04/20/2006 6:12:54 AM PDT by 300magnum

TUCSON, Ariz. - Minuteman border watch leader Chris Simcox has a message for President Bush: Build new security fencing along the border with Mexico or private citizens will.

Simcox said Wednesday that he's sending an ultimatum to the president, through the media, of course — "You can't get through to the president any other way" — to deploy military reserves and the National Guard to the Arizona border by May 25.

Or, Simcox said, by the Memorial Day weekend Minuteman Civil Defense Corps volunteers and supporters will break ground to start erecting fencing privately.

"We have had landowners approach," Simcox said in an interview. "We've been working on this idea for a while. We're going to show the federal government how easy it is to build these security fences, how inexpensively they can be built when built by private people and free enterprise."

Simcox said a half-dozen landowners along the Arizona-Mexico border have said they will allow fencing to be placed on their borderlands, and others in California, Texas and New Mexico have agreed to do so as well.

"Certainly, as with everything else, we're only able to cover a small portion of the border," Simcox said. "The state and federal government have bought up most of the land around the border. I suspect that's why we'll never get control of the border."

But he said the plan is to put up secure fencing that truly will be an effective deterrent, and to show how easily it can be accomplished.

Simcox gave this description of the envisioned barrier-and-fencing complex:

Start with a 6-foot deep trench so a vehicle can't crash through; behind it, roll of concertina (coiled, razor-edged barbed wire), in front of a 15-foot high heavy-gauge steel mesh fence angled outward at the top.

Behind the fence will be a 60- to 70-foot wide unpaved but graded dirt road, along with inexpensive, mounted video cameras that can be monitored from home computers. On the other side of the road will be a second, 15-foot fence, with more concertina wire on its outside.

"It's a very simple, effective design based on feedback we've had from Border Patrol and the military," Simcox said. "It's a fence that can be built on the cheap, effective and secure."

Simcox said supporters will try to build the fencing with volunteer labor. Surveyors and contractors have offered to help with the design and survey work, he said, and some have said they will provide heavy equipment.

Simcox said those involved in the planning hope to keep costs to between $125 and $150 a foot.

Access to land literally on the border is an issue because so much is state-leased trust property or federally owned, he said.

"You may have to deal with a situation where private property owners erect their own fences and may be faced with the president sending the National Guard to prevent them from protecting their private property," Simcox said.

He said the Minuteman plan is "to keep turning up the heat" until President Bush has to respond somehow.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: borderfence; bordersecurity; bushamnesty; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; invasionusa; minutemen; openborders
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To: LPM1888

"Your comparison of the Illegal Aliens to "Foreign Invaders" is ridiculous and disgusting."

Your smokin' crack. they are invaders, plain and simple. They thumb their noses at the laws of this land. Everyone here realizes the reason they come, but those reasons DO NOT excuse their illegal crossing. No one here here wants to stop LEGAL immigration, we want ILLEGAL immigration stoped. Your excuses are ridiculous!


151 posted on 04/20/2006 8:44:19 AM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: 300magnum
Posted this yesterday:

Raytheon Completes Successful Border Control Effort ~ (an operational demonstration SW Texas)

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During the six-week mission, Athena and CBP successfully detected, intercepted and deterred transnational threats, drugs, and alien smuggling across the U.S.-Mexican border over a large joint operations area including 160 miles of coastline, 120 miles of land border, and nine ports of entry.

152 posted on 04/20/2006 8:44:37 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: LPM1888
We welcome all except racists and bigots.

And, of course, you can tell if people are racist or bigoted just by looking at them?
153 posted on 04/20/2006 8:45:22 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: LPM1888
The so called "Minute Men" have become an embarrassment to America and a disgrace to the name they have stolen.

Where do you rationalize that from?

154 posted on 04/20/2006 8:46:37 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: sawoody

No, trillion. 1.58X10E9


155 posted on 04/20/2006 8:47:47 AM PDT by tx4guns (Guns don't murder people; stupid people murder people.)
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To: LPM1888
Well you seem to be fighting hard in the cause of ILLEGAL Immigration. So the question is, how many illegals do YOU employ? Keep them stupid and keep the wages low thats what these employers like, id say thats sorta like Feudalism...hey thats soooo 1100 AD, how about you wake up to 2006. If you aren't employing illegals then why fight for ILLEGAL immigration? I cannot think of any other conceivable objective. If you are wanting to help people then good they can come here legally and get paid more per hour.
156 posted on 04/20/2006 8:49:06 AM PDT by Xenophon450 (Behead those who say Islam is violent)
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To: LPM1888
"No, just a lifelong love of what made America great and dislike of racists and bigots."

Unfortunately it doesn't appear that you know what a racist or a bigot is. For that matter I don't think you understand what made America great either.
157 posted on 04/20/2006 8:49:49 AM PDT by Durus ("Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." JFK)
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To: Flavius Josephus

Did you hear about the Plague outbreak in LA earlier in the week?
________________________________________________________

No....What plague


158 posted on 04/20/2006 8:50:22 AM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Breaking and Entering means Unannounced Visit)
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To: Youngman442002; LPM1888
I am a Minuteman...I am not a bigot..I am a law abiding citizen...legal means something to me..but I am beginning to wonder why I abide by the laws of this country..I seems okay not to according to our politicians and the Liberal media...

...and don't forget LPM1888!

159 posted on 04/20/2006 8:51:03 AM PDT by houeto (Report Illegals. http://www.ice.gov/partners/employers/worksite/index.htm)
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To: MadeInAmerica

Bubonic plague hits LA
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1617345/posts

LA Woman Hospitalized With Bubonic Plague
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1617454/posts


161 posted on 04/20/2006 8:54:51 AM PDT by InfraRed
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To: swain_forkbeard; LPM1888
Do you think a nation should exercise control over the flow of non-citizens into its territory?

I see there is still no answer to your very simple question! Let's try posting it again, shall we?

162 posted on 04/20/2006 8:55:48 AM PDT by houeto (Report Illegals. http://www.ice.gov/partners/employers/worksite/index.htm)
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To: InfraRed

Bubonic plague has been present in California for years.


163 posted on 04/20/2006 8:56:22 AM PDT by tertiary01 (May 1st-- PINKO DE MAYO shop til you drop)
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To: ridesthemiles
They cannot read ...

How about some of these signs. ;-)


164 posted on 04/20/2006 8:56:25 AM PDT by 300magnum (We know that if evil is not confronted, it gains in strength and audacity, and returns to strike us)
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To: InfraRed

Bubonic plague hits LA
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1617345/posts

LA Woman Hospitalized With Bubonic Plague
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1617454/posts
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This fun is just getting started. Thanks for the links.


165 posted on 04/20/2006 8:58:43 AM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Breaking and Entering means Unannounced Visit)
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To: LPM1888

"Fourth Generation New Mexican landowner, my family Homesteaded here before it was a State. Tenth or eleventh Generation American.
Some of my ancestors were living in what is now America before there was an America. Others came later, my namesake sold his ship in what is now South Carolina in about 1750 and headed West.

We welcome all except racists and bigots."

You seriously need to pull your head out of your a$$. You have come to this forum and accused us of being racists and bigots for wanting to protect OUR country. I am a native New Mexican, born and raised in Bernalillo. My family has been there since the 1600's. My last name is Castillo, so your bullshiite race card will not work on me. I have stepped up to the plate, and have protected this country for the last 22 years. I enlisted in the Marine Corps after high school, giving up a track scholarship to New Mexico Highlands. ILLEGAL AILIENS have no right to be here, and you can kiss my a$$!!


166 posted on 04/20/2006 9:00:47 AM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: 300magnum

LOL! That's one of the various pet names I have for my ex.


167 posted on 04/20/2006 9:03:04 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: LPM1888

One wall kept people in, the other keeps people out. See the difference?


168 posted on 04/20/2006 9:05:05 AM PDT by FightThePower!
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To: LPM1888
Why don't they just build the Berlin Wall while they're at it?

The Berlin wall was built to keep people IN.

169 posted on 04/20/2006 9:07:42 AM PDT by Protagoras (The world is full of successful idiots and genius failures.)
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To: sean327

Thank you for your service, and God bless you and your family.


170 posted on 04/20/2006 9:08:00 AM PDT by 300magnum (We know that if evil is not confronted, it gains in strength and audacity, and returns to strike us)
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To: tx4guns

That's 1.5 billion, not trillion. Check your numbers.


171 posted on 04/20/2006 9:09:21 AM PDT by FightThePower!
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To: plain talk

A small price to pay in reality. But the issue is that private landowners dont own all of the border, so if the minutemen can show how relatively cheap it is, then perhaps the government will catch on. I think that was their point. $1.584B is a fraction of the cost of the WOT and will probably prevent future terror.


172 posted on 04/20/2006 9:09:50 AM PDT by gun_supporter
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To: LPM1888
Some of my ancestors were living in what is now America before there was an America.

What you don't realize, with your narrow and selective recall of your ancestor's history, is that those ancestors stole the land from the previous occupants. Your ancestors only succeeded because they had a bigger army than the previous owners.

Even if you could prove you were a direct descendant of the Olmecs, that still wouldn't legitimize your apparent claim to some moral superiority. There is evidence even the Olmecs were not the first civilization on this continent.

The Mayans stole from the Olmecs, the Aztecs stole from the Mayans, the Spanish stole from the Aztecs, and now the Half-Spanish/Half-Aztec are trying to steal from us. (And BTW, WE didn't steal this land from Mexico--we purchased it). The Aztecs at least put up a fight, but you deny us the same right? What chutzpah.

173 posted on 04/20/2006 9:12:18 AM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: Wallace T.

Excellent post!


174 posted on 04/20/2006 9:12:28 AM PDT by viaveritasvita (The Grace of God has appeared, bringing Salvation to all men. Titus 2:11)
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To: LPM1888
That is exactly the same type of people who have created the America that we know today.

Nonsense.

My grand parents came here legally. They were invited.

175 posted on 04/20/2006 9:14:35 AM PDT by Protagoras (The world is full of successful idiots and genius failures.)
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To: LPM1888
That is something for all Americans to be ashamed of.

I would be ashamed of you, if I gave a rip about you.

176 posted on 04/20/2006 9:17:12 AM PDT by Protagoras (The world is full of successful idiots and genius failures.)
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To: LPM1888
I am a Native New Mexican, fourth generation.

So your people sneaked in as criminals?

177 posted on 04/20/2006 9:21:27 AM PDT by Protagoras (The world is full of successful idiots and genius failures.)
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To: LPM1888

Millions of poor people all around the world "just want a better life for themselves and their families." Should they all be allowed to swarm in here too at will, and illegally? If your answer to the question is no, then why should Central and South Americans be allowed to come here illegally and at will?


178 posted on 04/20/2006 9:25:53 AM PDT by Cecily
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To: LPM1888
We welcome all except racists and bigots.

Interesting that you should bring this up. Every recent pro-illegal immigrant rally or march has been nothing less than bigotry on parade.

Anti-American bigotry, celebrated by the mainstream media - with a side dish of racism against white people.

You claim to not welcome such behavior - but here you are, defending the very same.

179 posted on 04/20/2006 9:30:12 AM PDT by Charles Martel
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To: LPM1888
"Your attempt to use fear tactics to promote your agenda is pathetic."

Your ridiculing someone who doesn't agree with you is what's pathetic. If they 'just want a better life for themselves and their families', then how do you explain the Mexican flags being displayed, all the talk about reclaiming what they lost to the U. S two centuries ago, and the simple fact that they acted illegally by simply entering this country in the first place?

If they are solely interested in bettering themselves, then they should have the character and comportment to go through the proper legal channels and obtain visas. If not, then they don't warrant or deserve my respect nor compassion. And, neither do you.

180 posted on 04/20/2006 9:30:25 AM PDT by bcsco ("He who is wedded to the spirit of the age is soon a widower" - Anonymous)
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To: Battle Hymn of the Republic

We are talking about some really remote areas, anyway, I expect that they've done their homework.


181 posted on 04/20/2006 9:34:20 AM PDT by Flavius Josephus (Nationalism is not a crime.)
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To: LPM1888

How would you stop illegals from crossing our border?


182 posted on 04/20/2006 9:34:29 AM PDT by bigj00
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To: Algernon Sidney
If the Minutemen do it, it will cost $150 per foot just to cover the beer tab

Hah! You're probably right.

183 posted on 04/20/2006 9:35:07 AM PDT by Flavius Josephus (Nationalism is not a crime.)
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To: hershey
[ Hilarious. (Doubtless the admin. will dig up a dusty law that says you can't build a fence on an international border without govt. approval.) ]

No they will say its too expensive to build a fence since Unions MUST be used... Inflating the cost of building 1000%.. or some other nonsense UNTIL they can get the illegal aliens legalized.. and effect ALL future elections.. Did I say ALL FUTURE ELECTIONS?.. Oh! yeah..

184 posted on 04/20/2006 9:39:46 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: LPM1888

Why don't they just build the Berlin Wall while they're at it?

The so called "Minute Men" have become an embarrassment to America and a disgrace to the name they have stolen.>>>>>>>>>


What are YOU doing to help the cause? Keyboard Commando....go get em tiger.


185 posted on 04/20/2006 9:41:56 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache ("Scientology is dangerous stuff,it's like forming a religion based around Johnny Quest and Haji.")
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To: Baynative

Sounds great but how much you want to bet the permits for fence construction get denied or some other building code snafu would prevent something like this?


186 posted on 04/20/2006 9:42:32 AM PDT by Horatio Gates (When it hits the fan, it may not be evenly distributed.)
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To: 300magnum
I'd like to see the government stop its own people. If illegals can crash our country we can show the politicians too, that there's power in numbers. Go Minutemen!!!

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

187 posted on 04/20/2006 9:43:44 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: MadeInAmerica; LPM1888
"The Minute Men are the example of the Constitution of these United States of America The racists and bigots who have stolen the name of the Minute Men are only an example of racism and bigotry. That is something for all Americans to be ashamed of. ___________________________________________________________ Racism-Bigotry? You must be a troll for DUmmies. I do not want 30 MILLION of ANY RACE to come into this country ILLEGALLY. Now take your race card and shove it. That card is no longer accepted in this country!"

Thanks, MadeInAmerica! I don't know what LM1888's agenda is but he's way off base here. I was going to respond to this statement but had already responded to an earlier one. I'm glad you did for me.

I get the feeling this guy is either Hispanic, an employer of Hispanics, both, or a DU that's been around and undercover for a few years. Whatever. His posts are showing him to be a jerk. Just because one is against illegal immigration does not make one a bigot. I live in a community that has a large Hispanic population (for its size). I welcome them as long as they're here legally. But if illegal, I'll be the first to wish them a safe trip home before DHS comes a' calling.

188 posted on 04/20/2006 9:44:03 AM PDT by bcsco ("He who is wedded to the spirit of the age is soon a widower" - Anonymous)
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To: LPM1888
I am a Native New Mexican, fourth generation. New Mexico is a combination of many different cultures and much the better for it.

RACIST STATEMENT OF THE DAY!!

YOU seem to be saying you were around BEFORE there were few "cultures" in NM and that now you *know* the place is better for it? I always laugh at people who are as misinformed as you are except you're to derainged to laugh at.

So, since you are of the mistaken belief that **diversity** is the greatest asset a state/country can have, why don't you try and get some cannibals and maybe a few suicide bombers admitted to your state? Afterall, diversity is always better and tolerance the greatest virtue of all. Just go away loser.

189 posted on 04/20/2006 9:45:20 AM PDT by subterfuge (Call me a Jingoist, I don't care...)
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To: LPM1888
The Israelis have a fence like that. I wouldn't mind seeing it go up the entire length of our southern border. If we don't quickly regain control of our country, we don't deserve to keep it.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

190 posted on 04/20/2006 9:45:26 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: MadeInAmerica

I live in New Mexico very near the border. I'm guessing he lives in Santa Fe, a liberal haven, far from the border and all of the problems on the border. If he doesn't live in Santa Fe then he missed a bet because he already speaks the language.

He is right about the many cultures in New Mexico and I do think it makes this state better in many ways. The many cultures that make this state great have been here for many, many years and I do not see how anyone could equate them with illegals. Not even close, illegals are an invasion and they are ruining the United States. It has nothing to do with race or culture or any other hogwash. It has to do with people entering illegally that should be stopped.

Anyone who wants to come into this country needs to do so legally or not at all.


191 posted on 04/20/2006 9:46:14 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: plain talk
Its still cheaper than the budget outlays for welfare, health care and public education that are bankrupting us. This fence is literally an investment in the security of this country. I consider it money well spent.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

192 posted on 04/20/2006 9:47:10 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: 300magnum

I'd like to see the graded area between the fences laced with anti-personnel and anti-vehicle mines. Place signs every few meters on the Mexican side that say "If you cross this fence, you will die."


193 posted on 04/20/2006 9:47:34 AM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: goldstategop

How about adding dogs - rotweilers, pit bulls, great danes, etc all along the border!


194 posted on 04/20/2006 9:48:17 AM PDT by princess leah
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

You made very good points. Anyone who wants to come into this country needs to do it legally or not at all.


195 posted on 04/20/2006 9:49:16 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: Calpernia

LOL! Thanks Cal!


196 posted on 04/20/2006 9:49:26 AM PDT by KylaStarr (Be Prepared)
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To: 300magnum

where can I donate money to this effort? Anyone know?????


197 posted on 04/20/2006 9:49:28 AM PDT by ezoeni
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To: LPM1888
This is exactly we're up against. To love this country gets you labeled a racist and a bigot. Go ahead and keep calling me one. Patriotism ain't necessarily the last refuge of the scoundrel; its the last refuge of the stout-hearted.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

198 posted on 04/20/2006 9:50:01 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: LPM1888

I think you have given us a great insight on just WHO and WHAT you are and what you stand for.

Laugh while you can.


199 posted on 04/20/2006 9:54:19 AM PDT by KylaStarr (Be Prepared)
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To: sean327; LPM1888

I don't know where LPM1888 went. He stopped posting shortly before your reply. I'm beginning to suspect he may be involved with that Hispanic organization that's helping to organize the protests. His posts about bigotry and racism sure sound like it.


200 posted on 04/20/2006 9:56:15 AM PDT by bcsco ("He who is wedded to the spirit of the age is soon a widower" - Anonymous)
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