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Minutemen to Bush: Build Fence or We Will
Associated Press ^ | ARTHUR H. ROTSTEIN

Posted on 04/20/2006 6:12:54 AM PDT by 300magnum

TUCSON, Ariz. - Minuteman border watch leader Chris Simcox has a message for President Bush: Build new security fencing along the border with Mexico or private citizens will.

Simcox said Wednesday that he's sending an ultimatum to the president, through the media, of course — "You can't get through to the president any other way" — to deploy military reserves and the National Guard to the Arizona border by May 25.

Or, Simcox said, by the Memorial Day weekend Minuteman Civil Defense Corps volunteers and supporters will break ground to start erecting fencing privately.

"We have had landowners approach," Simcox said in an interview. "We've been working on this idea for a while. We're going to show the federal government how easy it is to build these security fences, how inexpensively they can be built when built by private people and free enterprise."

Simcox said a half-dozen landowners along the Arizona-Mexico border have said they will allow fencing to be placed on their borderlands, and others in California, Texas and New Mexico have agreed to do so as well.

"Certainly, as with everything else, we're only able to cover a small portion of the border," Simcox said. "The state and federal government have bought up most of the land around the border. I suspect that's why we'll never get control of the border."

But he said the plan is to put up secure fencing that truly will be an effective deterrent, and to show how easily it can be accomplished.

Simcox gave this description of the envisioned barrier-and-fencing complex:

Start with a 6-foot deep trench so a vehicle can't crash through; behind it, roll of concertina (coiled, razor-edged barbed wire), in front of a 15-foot high heavy-gauge steel mesh fence angled outward at the top.

Behind the fence will be a 60- to 70-foot wide unpaved but graded dirt road, along with inexpensive, mounted video cameras that can be monitored from home computers. On the other side of the road will be a second, 15-foot fence, with more concertina wire on its outside.

"It's a very simple, effective design based on feedback we've had from Border Patrol and the military," Simcox said. "It's a fence that can be built on the cheap, effective and secure."

Simcox said supporters will try to build the fencing with volunteer labor. Surveyors and contractors have offered to help with the design and survey work, he said, and some have said they will provide heavy equipment.

Simcox said those involved in the planning hope to keep costs to between $125 and $150 a foot.

Access to land literally on the border is an issue because so much is state-leased trust property or federally owned, he said.

"You may have to deal with a situation where private property owners erect their own fences and may be faced with the president sending the National Guard to prevent them from protecting their private property," Simcox said.

He said the Minuteman plan is "to keep turning up the heat" until President Bush has to respond somehow.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: borderfence; bordersecurity; bushamnesty; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; invasionusa; minutemen; openborders
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To: 300magnum

Why not offer sponsors space on the fence near the top on both sides to advertise, just like NASCAR does all over the cars.


201 posted on 04/20/2006 9:58:49 AM PDT by reluctantwarrior (Strength and Honor, just call me Buzzkill for short......)
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To: tx4guns
"If each donor buys a foot of wall, that will require 5.2 million US citizens to donate $150 each. Probably feasible, but it's gonna take a lot of work."

You forgot to deduct the $57.8 million we contribute annually to Mexico for border security. http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/1229mexicoaid.html

202 posted on 04/20/2006 10:01:53 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: reluctantwarrior

Good idea!! BTTT


203 posted on 04/20/2006 10:04:25 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ((Immigration: Acting like dupes does not earn us their respect, but their CONTEMPT.))
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To: LPM1888

You are the F'n embarrassment. Go back to putting your head in the sand.


204 posted on 04/20/2006 10:05:04 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: LPM1888

Enablers like you are more dangerous than the invaders.


205 posted on 04/20/2006 10:07:26 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: LPM1888

No actually the Minutemen are actually doing something.

The only people who are an embarassment to the country are the Illegal Alien lovers and our Elected Representatives.

THEY are the Embarassment.


206 posted on 04/20/2006 10:08:08 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: LPM1888

"The racists and bigots who have stolen the name of the Minute Men are only an example of racism and bigotry. That is something for all Americans to be ashamed of."

Oh good here comes the Race card.

Go back to DU land.


208 posted on 04/20/2006 10:12:34 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: sean327

""You seriously need to pull your head out of your a$$. You have come to this forum and accused us of being racists and bigots for wanting to protect OUR country. I am a native New Mexican, born and raised in Bernalillo. My family has been there since the 1600's. My last name is Castillo, so your bullshiite race card will not work on me. I have stepped up to the plate, and have protected this country for the last 22 years. I enlisted in the Marine Corps after high school, giving up a track scholarship to New Mexico Highlands. ILLEGAL AILIENS have no right to be here, and you can kiss my a$$!! ""

Your post to LPM is, by far, the best of the day. Semper Fi.


209 posted on 04/20/2006 10:14:42 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: LPM1888

"We welcome all except racists and bigots."

You're a liar because your very tone is both Racist and Bigotted.


210 posted on 04/20/2006 10:17:37 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: Algernon Sidney

The Minutemen were here in October, and I did not see one single Minuteman drinking alcohol at any time. Much to the disapointment of our local tavern owner, who made the statement he did not make a dime off of them while they were here.

Several of them were camped in our horse pasture and I usually saw them during their down time. They were, each and every one that I saw or met, a great group of people. I have no idea where you get the idea they would use donations to buy beer, but you couldn't be further from the truth. They are just good decent hard working people who truly want to make a difference.

Not that there is anything wrong with drinking beer, just that from my experience if a Minuteman did choose to drink beer- they would pay for it with their own money.

While we are on the subject of Minutemen and money, though they receive many donations, I can tell you they all spend a lot of their own money defending the border. They add personal money at every turn to make sure they can get things done that need to be done.


211 posted on 04/20/2006 10:18:28 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: Barney59
Your link didn't work, for me anyway. Reposting the link.

Minuteman Border Fence

Here is another pro-fence website I know of.

We Need A Fence
212 posted on 04/20/2006 10:19:12 AM PDT by TheForceOfOne (El Chupacabra spotted near U.S./Mexican border feeding on illegal immigrants. Pass it on..)
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To: FightThePower!; sawoody

Sorry, I stand corrected. 1.58 Billion. Don't know where my brain was on that one.


213 posted on 04/20/2006 10:22:32 AM PDT by tx4guns (Guns don't murder people; stupid people murder people.)
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To: 300magnum

"General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization: Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall! "

Guess I am not sure if I would want my legacy to go down as the president who built the wall.

IMHO, how can we forget what symbolism "a wall" portrays.

When I look at the Statue Of Liberty, I have to wonder what our forefathers would have thought if they had to enter the U.S. through a wall.

I can't believe we stand for freedom and allow this to happen :-(


214 posted on 04/20/2006 10:24:41 AM PDT by bugsplat (Too much time on my hands to be normal)
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To: LexBaird
they are just doing the job that a certain 535+1 Americans won't.

Hey, that's good ... really good.

215 posted on 04/20/2006 10:25:12 AM PDT by Oliver Optic
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To: Calpernia
LOL!
216 posted on 04/20/2006 10:26:17 AM PDT by TheForceOfOne (El Chupacabra spotted near U.S./Mexican border feeding on illegal immigrants. Pass it on..)
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To: sean327

Thank you for posting that!! I also live in New Mexico and he doesn't speak for me either.

Thank you for your service to this country.


217 posted on 04/20/2006 10:26:30 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: 300magnum
Start with a 6-foot deep trench so a vehicle can't crash through; behind it, roll of concertina (coiled, razor-edged barbed wire), in front of a 15-foot high heavy-gauge steel mesh fence angled outward at the top.

Behind the fence will be a 60- to 70-foot wide unpaved but graded dirt road, along with inexpensive, mounted video cameras that can be monitored from home computers. On the other side of the road will be a second, 15-foot fence, with more concertina wire on its outside.

Sounds great except one thing... What about the tunnelers? Another idea I saw a while back had concrete (I think) sunk way down into the ground to prevent tunnelers from getting in. Add that and I think we have a great plan.

218 posted on 04/20/2006 10:28:40 AM PDT by Kaylee Frye
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To: bugsplat
"General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization: Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall! "

That wall was to keep legal citizens IN, the wall being discussed now is to keep illegal aliens OUT. I think that's a very big difference.

And welcome to FR.

219 posted on 04/20/2006 10:33:01 AM PDT by 300magnum (We know that if evil is not confronted, it gains in strength and audacity, and returns to strike us)
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To: Baynative
"this year our donations go to the fence fund rather than their campaign funds."

Bump for a good patriotic plan. (Ignore the mexico-merger trolls. Full speed ahead!)

220 posted on 04/20/2006 10:34:04 AM PDT by dagnabbit (George Bush deported my children to Amerexico.)
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