Posted on 04/22/2006 5:13:26 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
by Mark Finkelstein on April 22, 2006 - 07:56. When Ellen Ratner went a couple weeks without any major liberal loopiness, one wondered whether perhaps Jim Pinkerton was having a salubrious effect on her. But things got back to normal this morning when Ratner let Pinkerton goad her into boasting that she supports "open immigration."
The opening topic on today's 'Long & the Short of It' segment on Fox & Friends Weekend dealt with Howard Dean's recent claim that job # 1 in his view is tougher border security.
Pinkerton smelled politics, describing Dean as "somebody who is reading the polls. . . I know for a fact Americans by a majority of three or four to one are in favor of tighter border security. So I think Dean is, as it were, getting on the right train going the right direction about tougher border security. I hope he can now bring along Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi."
Ratner seemed to share Pinkerton's take: "Look, everybody will talk about tougher border security. That's what people want to talk about now. Whether it can be accomplished is a whole other issue but it will be a campaign issue in 2006."
That's when Pinkerton baited his hook. Addressing host Kiran Chetry [whose beautiful back-from-maternity-leave photo I am legally obliged to display], he slyly said:
"Kiran, in the last month or so Ellen has done a terrible job representing the far left on this immigration issue which proves to me how powerful it is. The old issue was unlimited border let everyone in. The new issue is 'get tough, build a wall'. We are getting there. I sense enormous progress. Politics do work."
Ratner went for the bait like a ravenous bluefish hitting a, well, whatever it is they hit when they're running in Long Island Sound.
"I'm in favor of open immigration, Jim!" she exclaimed. OK, then, Ellen, your far-left credentials have been renewed - at least for the time being.
Talk then turned to the 2008 presidential sweepstakes, and Kiran opened with this rather dismissive description of John Kerry's ambitions: "Let me ask about John Kerry - his statements leading some of us to think he is not, you know, giving up for 2008."
If Kiran seemed less than moved at the prospect of a Kerry candidacy, the conservative Pinkerton was positively giddy: "I hope he feels the urge to run for president. He is the worst candidate since George McGovern. I can't believe [Democrats] are that dumb."
Invited by Kiran to hop aboard the Kerry love train, Ellen allowed that "what I want is probably Senator Feingold" but did make it clear that she would "throw my weight in back of anybody that I think can win that nomination."
Pinkerton was quick to take 'yes' for an answer: "I join with Ellen in supporting Kerry for the Democrat nomination!"
Claimed Ratner: "I think there are a lot of great candidates and I bet the Democrats come up with somebody really good this time, Jim and Democrats will win the White House in 2008. I know that will keep you up at night."
Pinkerton closed with with what is surely in the minds of many Democrats and Republicans alike: "I don't think they would win with Kerry." Hmm, unless this is some truly Machiavellian maneuvering on Pinkerton's part, egging Dems into discarding Kerry in favor of the ultimately-more-vulnerable Hillary?
Finkelstein lives in the liberal haven of Ithaca, NY, where he hosts the award-winning public-access show 'Right Angle'. Contact him at: mark@gunhill.net
Fox & Friends Weekend/NewsBusters open-immigration ping to the Today show list.
"Open Immigration" is about as bad an idea as "Ratner Open Mouth".
In other words, Ratner believes that the US should cease to exist as a sovereign nation.
Liberals will BURY this country if they come to power.
Doesn't every liberal socialist believe in that as their ultimate goal?
They may just get it if Specter/Graham /Mccain have their way and pass amnesty.
Well, thankfully for us most of them have very big mouths.
True, but they often don't get this close to coming right out and saying it.
That's nothing! On the TV show I host, a Cornell radical this week came out in favor not only of open borders, but for:
1. letting immigrants become citizens and having the right to vote from day one of their arrival;
2. letting people all around the world vote in US elections - literally setting up voting booths in foreign countries for foreigners to vote in our elections;and
3. his piece de resistance was opposition to screening new immigrants for criminal history or even . . . for being active members of Al Qaeda!!
I heard her..She is a Feingold backer!!..I laughed at that one..but then she is a looney leftist.
Kerry cannot win the nomination. That is my opinion. He is just too boring and the Vietnam vets are not going away. His record of treason will not be forgotten.
The whole nation will be subjected to the "chalk screeching on a blackboard" dreadful campaign voice of Hillary.
Hillary has her coffers loaded.
I have success hooking blues with bucktails or minnies.
I think she's more a flounder or a tautog than a blue.
Wow. Well, it's not called the City of Evil fer nuthin'.
I was hoping we'd have an angling expert out there - thanks for the info!!
Unfortunately the immigration issue has been hijacked by the extreme left and right and nothing will get done, except filling up the coffers of such groups as move on and tancredo's and bay buchanan's PAC.
Conservatives could have coalesced behind the Kyl/Cornyn proposal, but some are more interested in building a neo Berlin wall with mines and such.
Ellen (loopy) Ratner has also said she 'loves' McCain.
"Conservatives could have coalesced behind the Kyl/Cornyn proposal, but some are more interested in building a neo Berlin wall with mines and such."
What a moron you are. The Berlin Wall kept people in, not out.
Every nation has the right to sovereign borders. If a wall is necessary, so be it. Build it and then let immigrants apply LEGALLY to enter the country.
"You talkin' 'bout me????"
A few points for the logically challenged:
1) Conservatives are the far right.
2) Any workable solution to the illegal immigration problem will necessitate some type of physical barrier.
3) It's liberals in the Senate and the Executive Branch who are acting in an obstructionist manner (Tancredo's house bill passed by a very wide margin).
4) Had it not been for Tancredo's efforts, this issue would not have been addressed at all by the current body of congress. 5) Things are getting done, and the ball is rolling (enforcement is already moving ahead somewhat)... just not in the leftward direction you would desire.
Hubba...hubba
Sure, A great idea. Why bother to have some oversight over who comes here in an era when a significant part of a huge global culture wants to slaughter innocent Americans primarily because we refuse to let them slaughter innocent Isrealis?
This show sounded like contemplating your navel time.
Dane's here!!!!!
"Hillary has her coffers loaded."
Is that what the bulges in her pants suits are?
- LOADED COFFERS!
Anything that moves. Like a liberal screaming names whenever facts are introduced.
She supports the administration?
Yeah criminalizing Christian charities for giving humanitarian aid was a brilliant move on tancredo's part.
I Know that tancredo actually voted against it, but he with his rhetoric gave the democrats a hammer to beat him with.
Oh BTW, I saw a poster on FR saying that clause should have only been a misdeameanor instead of a felony.
Halloween is so much fun......... and a woman with a gun......... wow.
You mean like the leftwingers in "No More Deaths" who were popped for smuggling illegal aliens into the country?
Conservatives could have coalesced behind the Kyl/Cornyn proposal, but some are more interested in building a neo Berlin wall with mines and such.Now any U.S. Citizen who committed half these FELONIES would be looking at life in prison. Yet these criminals have the 'gumption' to "demand their right". Their rights? RIGHTS?!? They have no rights here. Except the 'right' to get the HELL out and stay out.
- No, not a "neo Berlin Wall". A "neo Great Wall of China", which was built to keep invading hordes out (the operative word being "out").
- You forgot the machine guns and strategically placed gun towers. Mines alone won't do the trick. (or was that your "and such"?)
- What the heck do you know about conservatives?
"Yeah criminalizing Christian charities for giving humanitarian aid was a brilliant move on Tancredo's part."
- Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Giving "humanitarian aid" would not be "criminalized". Aiding and abetting the criminal illegal invading squatting leeches in evading the law would be. Giving them a bowl of soup and some water would not.
- Tancredo had nothing to do with HR 4437. That Bill was written by Rep Sensenbrenner, F. James, Jr. [WI-5].
- Rep Tancredo is not even one of the 35 Cosponsors
"Oh BTW, I saw a poster on FR saying that clause should have only been a misdemeanor instead of a felony."
I don't know what any Freeper said, but I DO know what said on FoxNews about two weeks back by a Congressman who appeared on Neil Cavuto's show as I was watching.
- The Felony provision pertaining specifically to the illegal alien, (not the employers or those whom aide and abet) was inserted by an amendment authored by a Democrat
- To date, that means TODAY - Democrats have fought, blocked, obstructed, every effort to get said Felony provision removed.
- That being said - so what! These people are Felons. As soon as they arrive at their destination they start to openly and blatantly commit felonies.
So much for them being 'law abiding'.
- Purchasing phony ID's - Felony
- Using phony ID's - Felony
- Wire Fraud - Felony
- Mail Fraud - Felony
- Federal, State & Local Tax evasion - Felony
- Driving without a valid DL - Felony in most states after a certain number of 'convictions'.
- Failing to appear in court for their numerous traffic violations - Felony in most states after a certain point.
- Using phony ID to obtain a 'valid' DL - Felony
- Identity theft - Felony
- Medicaid Fraud - Felony
- Possession of a Firearm - Felony.
Since most of the 'hard working, law abiding' people live in bad neighborhoods they arm themselves.
- Then there's their little maggot 'children' who join the first freaking GANG they come across and almost immediately start committing - FELONIES!
But nooooo, you and your ilk are right there with them. Back in the 'olden days' Stalin called people like you "Useful Idiots". Man was he ever correct.
BTW, your drivel is now way beyond embarrassing. Quit taking your Stoo-pid Pills™.
Three billion Asians were hoping she would say that.
What and put you out of business.
Dearest Daniac,
HR 4437 does not criminalize legitimate humanitarian aid. I have pointed this out numerous times, and also posted links to the full text version of the bill numerous times.
That the OBL's are railing so violently against its passage is probably the best indicator of just how effective this legislation would be at stemming illegal immigration (exactly what it is designed to do).
If you want to smear Tancredo's so-called 'rhetoric', might I suggest you provide quotes (in context) to make your case.
Yeah I know that. So?
The popular image your hero tancredo has created for himself though, belies that.
Don't get mad at me for pointing out that Mr. tancredo relishes the public image, which he promotes on TV of uber conservative anti-immigrant.
It's kinda of akin of when michael jackson defenders get mad on TV saying michael jackson is not a pedophile, IMO.
This is not about workers rights or fair immigration policies. It has to do with international communist/socialist orgs looking to gain the political upperhand in the U.S..
Posted by JeffHead Jeff links to Mexica.org's 'after protest' pic fest. You can see there what the marchers thought they were marching for.
A poster for Friday’s march. March 31. This poster lists the Latino orgs that are promoting the protests. They are all communist/socialist front orgs.
Here is my analysis of what is going on behind the scenes.
Here is some evidence that 'amnesty' increases illegal entries. These people knew before the demonstrations that the time was ripe.
Smith Act of 1940 This is the U.S. statute that ought to apply to the organized gathering of tens of thousands of foreign nationals calling for the overthrow of our country.
I need to make a correction to my previous postings. H.R. 4437 does not simplify the process of documenting employees. The article at that last link says this:
No Elimination and Reduction of Employment Eligibility Documents. One of the few positive aspects of a mandatory employment eligibility system would be the simplification of the hiring process by reducing the number of documents employers would have to verify to one or two. The bill does not do so. Several other reform proposals (such as the Dreier bill, H.R. 98) provide for such simplification by requiring the use of a tamperproof Social Security card and no others. The bill only studies the use of such documents but does not eliminate the use of any documents and the confusion such documents cause employers.
My apologies to all for proliferating confusion on that. This means that H.R. 4437, the best of all bills so far put forward by our esteemed Congress, isn't too good after all.
Understand that the provision that the protesters say is 'racist,' that makes illegals felons, was inserted by the Dems a short time ago. That clarifies why Hillary happened to discover the immigration issue a week before the marches. Why she demonized Republicans as "making Jesus a criminal."
Keep in mind just who organized these protests. Who provided the tens of thousands of T-shirts, the thousands of professionally made signs, the hours and hours of promotion on Spanish language radio and TV stations. It has been noticed that Islamic orgs names and logos appear on some of these signs as well. Remember that NEA teachers and administrators are the ones who have assisted the march organizers by providing bussing for their students, hoisting Mexican flags at school and overlooking the truancy.
Don't forget that the last two Presidential elections were nearly 50/50. Think about how our Congress is looking for a way to appease these foreign nationals through legislation. No election necessary. The outcome of legalizing 11 million illegals and encouraging more to come will be a solid lock for the left forevermore in national elections. We don’t need an ‘immigration’ bill. We need and want a border security and illegal aliens bill. An immigration/guest worker bill can come after that is done.
Mexico is Rich- Mexican wealthy play American taxpayers for suckers
Good thread for any that missed it. It should really make you mad.
Every dollar spent in U.S. taxes for social services for illegal aliens frees up additional cash to be sent south as part of the annual remittances which provided $20 billion in 2005. According to the CNN news show Lou Dobbs Tonight (3/21/05), "Remittances, as they're called, are expected to become Mexico's primary source of income this year, surpassing the amount of money that Mexico makes on oil exports for the first time ever."
Mexico’s Ideal Immigraton Law – Let’s try it here at home Read how Mexico deals with foreigners. Where is the equanimity?
Mayans in Chiapas Region Convert to Islam
The bill that was just defeated in the Senate was an amnesty, plain and simple. But take a look at what these treasonous scumbags tried to hide in it. They will be back and we can expect more of this if we do not act decisively.
Hidden Bombs (Extremely Important Article on Immigration)
The second nasty surprise? Just before the committee approved the bill on the evening of March 27, Sen. Richard Durbin (D-Ill.) offered the "DREAM Act" as an amendment. It passed on a voice vote.The DREAM Act is a nightmare. It repeals a 1996 law that prohibits state universities from offering in-state tuition rates to illegal aliens. The principle, of course, is that no illegal alien should be entitled to receive a taxpayer-subsidized benefit that out-of-state U.S. citizens can't get. But the committee's bill allows illegals to be treated better than those U.S. citizens on tuition.
Here is another reason Washington doesn't seem to want to do anything helpful.
CFR's Plan to Integrate the U.S., Mexico and Canada
What does the White House think about all of this?
U.S. Senator John McCain is offering $50.00 an hour to anyone willing to stay in Yuma for 1 year and pick lettuce. (the season is actually about 18 weeks in mid-winter)Here are his numbers. They will ask you for your name address and phone number.
241 Russell Senate Ofc. Bldg. United States Senate , Washington DC 20510 Phone: (202) 224-2235 Fax: (202) 228-2862
Phoenix 5353 North 16th Street Suite 105 Phoenix, Arizona 85016 Phone: (602) 952-2410 Fax: (602) 952-8702
Tempe 4703 S. Lakeshore Drive Suite 1 Tempe, Arizona 85282 Phone: (480) 897-6289 Fax: (480) 897-8389
Tucson 407 W. Congress Street Suite 103 Tucson, Arizona 85701 Phone: (520) 670-6334 Fax: (520) 670-6637
Well put!
LOL!
That's really all you have, isn't it?
A smear campaign against a decent man and an outstanding public servant. You've gone beyond ridiculous.
Did you ever get a look at the wall between East and West Germany? I did, and it bore no resemblance to anything the US may build, including in its functionality. The purpose of the East German's wall was to keep people in, not out. There is a difference.
Thanks a lot.
You are exactly right but it's hard for us to keep control of Congress when so many of "our guys" are under investigation by the Justice Department for being in the pockets of crooks like Jack Abrahamoff and other lobbyists and some like Duke Cunningham and Tom Delay have already cost us two seats. Of course it would be difficult for ol'Duke to vote on important bills from his prison cell.
There were just as many rats in those very same pockets. However, the MSM just never reported it.
Kiran Chetry. The gay agenda, pro-choice promoting liberal who occupies the center chair on Fox & Friends Weekend.
Fox has lost its mind. She's Katie Couric without the wrinkles.
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