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Myth vs. Fact: (You cannot deport 12 million people) Oh Yes You Can!
The New American ^ | May 1, 2006 | Thomas R. Eddlem

Posted on 04/25/2006 10:57:43 AM PDT by underwiredsupport

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To: finnigan2
You get today's Free Republic Award for Best Dramatic Performance for that post.
21 posted on 04/25/2006 11:12:20 AM PDT by SerpentDove (We will not stand by and allow politicians to destroy our country through open borders.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez; All
Tucson Citizen

Data on illegal immigrants kept secret

2 agencies cite privacy in denying info to prosecutors
Knight Ridder Newspapers
Published: 04.24.2006
 
Two federal agencies are refusing to turn over a mountain of evidence that investigators could use to indict the nation's burgeoning work force of illegal immigrants and the firms that employ them.
The Internal Revenue Service and the Social Security Administration routinely collect strong evidence of potential workplace crimes, including names and addresses of millions of people who are using bogus Social Security numbers, their wage records, and the identities of the bosses who knowingly hire them.
But they keep those facts secret.
The two agencies don't analyze their data to root out likely immigration fraud, and they won't share their millions of records so that law enforcement agencies can do that, either.
Privacy laws, they say, prohibit them from sharing their files with anyone, except in rare criminal investigations.
But the agencies don't even use the power they have.
The IRS doesn't fine even the most egregious employers who repeatedly submit inaccurate data about their workers. Social Security does virtually nothing to alert citizens whose Social Security numbers are being used by others.
Evidence abounds within their files, according to an analysis by Knight Ridder Newspapers and the Charlotte (N.C.) Observer.
One internal study found that a restaurant company had submitted 4,100 duplicate Social Security numbers for workers. Other firms submit inaccurate names or numbers reports for nearly all of their employees. One child's Social Security number was used 742 times by workers in 42 states.
"That's the kind of evidence we want," said Paul Charlton, the U.S. attorney in Arizona. He regularly prosecutes unauthorized workers, but says it's hard to prove employers are involved in the crime.
"Anything that suggests they had knowledge . . . is a good starting point. If you see the same Social Security number a thousand times, it's kind of hard for them to argue they didn't know."
On Thursday, immigration officials announced a new push toward busting bosses who hire unauthorized workers.
Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff has asked Congress for access to the secret earnings files, a tool he says would help "get control of this illegal workforce."
The records at issue are the earnings reports, sent by employers along with money withheld for taxes and Social Security.
They contain workers' names and Social Security numbers, and when they don't match Social Security records, the information is set aside in what's called the Earnings Suspense File.
Typos and name changes can cause wage reports not to match Social Security records. But increasingly, officials cite unauthorized workers using bogus Social Security numbers as a driving force behind the mismatched files.
The incorrect worker files mushroomed during the 1990s, as migrants poured into the United States. Almost half of the inaccurate reports come from such industries as agriculture, construction and restaurants, which rely on unauthorized labor.
The IRS also receives the mismatch information. It tries to match workers involved to its records, then probes to see whether the workers are paying taxes.
To work lawfully in the United States, individuals must have valid Social Security numbers or authorization from the Department of Homeland Security.
But the law doesn't require companies to verify that workers give them names and numbers that match Social Security records.

22 posted on 04/25/2006 11:13:14 AM PDT by underwiredsupport (...for the shape of things to come!)
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To: underwiredsupport

Don't forget, we have diplomatic agreements with most every nation in the world. ALL of these address the instance when one's citizen is in the other Nation and loses his passport, is mugged, is in an accident, committs a crime, or is there illegally! To condone this jive just cause it's Meheco is to repudiate ALL the other agreements.


23 posted on 04/25/2006 11:14:03 AM PDT by Waco
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Paying sales tax is a measure of when the law should be enforced?


24 posted on 04/25/2006 11:14:40 AM PDT by bordergal
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To: finnigan2

Sorry, but it is quite simple. You round up, detain, process and deport. It was done in the Central Valley of California for over 30 years. A detention center was located in Fresno, adjacent to the freeway 99. The illegals were arrested in the region, brought to the detention center, and loaded onto air conditioned INS busses. 6 hours later, they were at the border in Tijuana...and back in THEIR HOME COUNTRY. It worked just fine for over 30 years. Why will it not again? Hmmmmm?


25 posted on 04/25/2006 11:15:42 AM PDT by underwiredsupport (...for the shape of things to come!)
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To: SerpentDove; finnigan2

"Stella! STELLA!! . . . . Nazis!"


26 posted on 04/25/2006 11:17:57 AM PDT by tumblindice
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To: underwiredsupport

That was in ONE AREA--Central California. You'll have to set up an area just like it in every county in the United States. It's no longer a localized problem.


27 posted on 04/25/2006 11:18:40 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (If low-skill workers were key to economic growth, Mexico would be an economic powerhouse.-Rich Lowry)
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To: underwiredsupport


And soon illegals will have the "right" to vote in places.

Pay your taxes and have a nice day. :)


28 posted on 04/25/2006 11:19:18 AM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: underwiredsupport
You buy into the argument that 12 million deportations are necessary, and using that story, the government will sell you an amnesty package.

We don't need 12 million deportations, we need a few thousand employers in jail and the illegal will first stop coming, and eventually will have no choice but to go home.

29 posted on 04/25/2006 11:21:04 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: underwiredsupport

There is no better form of obvious abandonment of the American citizens by our elected officials than for them to out right lie about the illegal invaders issue. Their continuous attempt to wrap the issue in various pretty colors does no change the truth. People who are in this country illegally have broken the law and those politicians who refuse to enforce the laws and those who hire illegals are as well complicit in breaking the law. Accountability needs to be forced upon them or this nations is done.


30 posted on 04/25/2006 11:22:43 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: TexasCajun
...they simply return the next week

Depends on the method used to return them.


31 posted on 04/25/2006 11:24:11 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk. Those who talk don't know.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

"the government will sell you an amnesty plan"

That's Fat Teddy's plan. `Grease' the Dem/Repubs' amnesty plan with some token raids and patching up some cyclone fencing--then it's back to business as usual.

Deportation? Si, we can.


32 posted on 04/25/2006 11:26:24 AM PDT by tumblindice
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To: underwiredsupport

> You cannot deport 12 million people ... Oh Yes You Can!

Don't need to. Just have a no-exceptions policy that
every one caught is deported (not caught and released).
The rest will get the message and most will leave.

But no policy has any meaning until the border is secured.

Xraying people on flights from Europe is absurd when
hostiles can dance across the Rio unnoticed.


33 posted on 04/25/2006 11:27:20 AM PDT by Boundless
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To: underwiredsupport

Build the fence first, screw bush, GOP and RATS:

http://www.minutemanhq.com/bf/

Next, put employers in jail. If Martha Stewart can go to jail for blowing hot air, a drywall company president or the president of walmart SHOULD go there too.


34 posted on 04/25/2006 11:27:37 AM PDT by Zrob
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To: tessalu

Bush's fault? Sure, why not, everything else is blamed on him, from the dawn of civilization to the present.

Agreed, our borders should have been secured years ago. Years and years before Bush was even born.

How do you suggest we remove the illegals?


35 posted on 04/25/2006 11:29:37 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Hanging and firing squad, was not deemed cruel or inhumane execution by the writers of that clause.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Please...this guy's stoned.

Yes? And. . .? "Stoned" and "right" are not mutually exclusive.

36 posted on 04/25/2006 11:31:30 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: underwiredsupport

When I first joined the Border Patrol my Sector made over 200,000 apprehensions. At the time, we had about 200 agents working the line. That's a thousand illegals per agent. If all 15,000 Agents in the Patrol right now made one thousand apps in a year, the 11 million illegals residing here would be depleted in short order.


37 posted on 04/25/2006 11:33:46 AM PDT by Ajnin (I)
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To: verity
The devil is in the details.

So is national security.

38 posted on 04/25/2006 11:34:31 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: William Terrell

So is the secret chili recipe.


39 posted on 04/25/2006 11:37:21 AM PDT by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
That JUST Social Security taxes mind you, they also pay sales taxes.

Oh, Gasp! They do! Why, then, we'll just have to keep 'em here sucking off our nation's wealth and sending it back to the hellhole they came from, for the state sales taxes they pay, doncha know.

40 posted on 04/25/2006 11:38:18 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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