Hamad Mir - "Terrorists will Use Nukes in America if U.S. Bombs Iran!"

Terrorism Press COnference ^ | 4-28-06 | Bob J

[Bob J]

In a just concluded debate and press conference, author and FBI Consultant Paul Williams and Jeff Epstein of "America's Truth Forum" reveal they have been advised by Pakistani journalist and Bin Laden biographer Hamid Amir that Al-Qaeda will use smuggled nukes against the US if the US takes military action against Iran.

Amir established his credentials by correctly predicting that Egypt would be hit by terrorist action a full two weeks prior to the events of last week. Amir, a Pakistani journalist, has been in contact with high ranking Al-Qaeda officials for several years.

The debate (between Richard Miniter and Paul Williams) and press conference were webcast LIVE by Rightalk.com. Audio files of both events will be available for downloading by this afternoon.

[steve86]

They will see hell on earth if they tried that.

That's a truly excellent, if unintentional, statement of their objective. Hell on earth. Armageddon.

[Star Traveler]

You said -- "I was downtown OKC the morning of the Blast and believe me there are lots of eye witness reports of Arab looking men leaving the area as fast as humanly possible."

Well, that -- with a lot of other information -- including Steven Emerson's video "Jihad in America" indicates the Oklahoma City is one in a long series of attacks on the U.S.

We've been under attack for over ten years and no one seems to want to recognize it. I just don't know about people...

Regards,
Star Traveler

[Star Traveler]

You said -- "Either way, the elephant in the room is the way the authorities refused to investigate such a thing, ignored the witnesses and snuffed McVeigh pronto."

I went to the Oklahoma City bombing site just a few months ago. I was up in Tulsa visiting some relatives and I thought I would go over there. What I couldn't believe (at the time it happened) was how fast they were knocking down the building and plowing everything into the ground and covering it up (literally speaking). I mean, they couldn't have found anything in the length of time they plowed it all under -- and the building was gone. What's with that?

It was so obvious that "whomever" wanted it all to go away very quickly -- and find *anyone* that they could throw in jail real quickly. And then, execute him so that they could say it was all done. It was ridiculous...

Regards,
Star Traveler

[A CA Guy]

It may be their objective, but it will all be on their lands also.
It's a lose lose situation for them.

Hell by the way can better be defined as an absence of God, so Islam already suffers that curse. They worship a god, not God.

[Phsstpok]

Our ability to restrain ourselves is underrated. We are the only nation to have used nukes and we will be loath to repeat that against a civilian population.

Both rational and arguable and I waffle between your position and the one I expressed.  The above has been my default position for many years.  However, I've grown MUCH more cynical since the Dubai ports lemming stampede.

Shep Smith and Aaron Brown will hype the footage of even a "tiny" nuke (as if a nuke can be tiny) and the sheeple will demand blood. Personally I'd rather nuke Mecca than have a herd of murderous no-nothing sheep choose to slaughter their neighbor (or the guy at the 7-11) because they thought they might be a Muslim. 

Here's a thought.  If we nuke Mecca we'll "piss off" many who already want us dead and maybe a few who might let us live as dhimmi, but I bet there will also be a pot load of Muslims who will blame Bin Laden and the Iranian Mullahs.  And they're much more accessible as an outlet for their anger...

At times my cynicism gets the better of me. I'm probably leaning more towards "nuke 'em till they glow" right now partly because I'm in the middle of reading Thucydides History of the Peloponnesian War (for the first time in 35 years - and then it was only excerpts, now I'm reading the whole thing)

As to plausible deniability... I don't think anyone will get the opportunity to raise the issue and, if anyone does, I wouldn't want to be standing near them when they do such a foolish thing.

Niven's Laws number 1A

Never throw s**t at an armed man

Niven's Laws number 1B

Never stand next to someone throwing s**t at an armed man

 

[steve86]

They worship a god, not God.

There are lots of erudite and well-reasoned opinions on both sides of the "Is Allah the same as the Judeo-Christian God" question.

[A CA Guy]

"Is Allah the same as the Judeo-Christian God" question.

No, most would say he is the false god of the moon. Most certainly the Judeo-Christian God in today's world doesn't suggest in any teachings that women should be abused, disfigured and denied human rights as they are under Islam.

This is a cult right there with the UFO Nike sneaker cult! But at least the Nike cult had the good sense to only kill themselves off.

[Star Traveler]

You said -- "Al Qaeda would be caught long before they can get one through."

Well..., so you say. I just don't happen to believe it -- that's all. I don't think a lot of other people believe it either.

The "math" we're talking about is not a literal equation here, of course. What we're talking about is that the U.S. has to be *perfect* -- 100% of the time. That can't be done.

And then, al-Qaida just has to succeed once, while failing miserably all of the other instances of various things it tries. In fact, the government released information to the effect that they had stopped somewhere around 22 or 23 major terrorist attacks (can't remember the number exactly, though). They were indicating that the government *had been stopping* terrorist attacks -- as opposed to them not happening at all. They just couldn't tell us much in the way of details.

And so, the government has been stopping them. You notice that we haven't been talking very much about all those that we've stopped. The government cannot talk very much about them. They don't get in the news. We just don't hear very much about them.

But, let's say that they stop another 22 and another 22 and another 22. We still won't hear a lot about them.

HOWEVER, the one that *happens* we will hear so much about that and so many people will be killed that it will go down in the history books.

*THAT* is the so-called "math" that I'm talking about. It *only* takes one. We've already stopped countless attacks -- but it only takes one to "make their day" (al-Qaida, that is...).

So, I really don't understand why you don't see the *lopsided* nature of that -- al-Qaida to what the U.S. has to do all the time. It's *inherent* in these types of attacks by terrorists. That's why they're so successful.

Name all of the ones that have failed (i.e., "government successes"). Most people would be hard pressed to name even one over the last decade. Name all the ones that have succeeded. Most people would be able to rattle off three or four without too much problem.

You still don't get it? I don't understand that -- for sure.

As far as the "fear factor" -- well, it doesn't bother me too much. I'll just get "promoted" -- as one Christian put it. It's a promotion to be with Jesus Christ. So, that's not too worrisome to me.

But, I would hate to see all that problems that come with that kind of terrorist attack. And unless people get on board and do something about the evil and false religion of Islam -- this country is going to suffer from these terrorist attacks. Worse is coming and no one seems to want to do anything about the *source* of the problem. That's what I'm concerned about.

I'll keep saying it until it's my time to go. So, this won't be the end of me here on this board -- for a long while, hopefully.

Regards,
Star Traveler

[NAVY84]

I agree, we do not do what is in our best interest. That's why I say that I don't want to talk about losing X number of seats in November. I want to talk about how many we will gain in the House and Senate.

I want to crush the vermin on the left. Some have said the 'Adults are in charge', well I don't buy it. Look at the herd of cats we have in DC (sorry to the cat lovers here) Cheney needs to take some people quail hunting, but baring that we need more seats. We need to be able to defend this country and we better get crackin'.

[gafusa]

Definitely. Unfortunately I cannot see any solution. Any idea how we can get out of this mess? Self government requires the highest levels of morality and responsibility, with those almost gone, it seems rule by the people will die. People will willingly accept a benevolent right-wing dictatorship, as it would probably impose the fair tax, would definitely take economic action against countries like China, expand domestic energy, and crush crime, likely in a some what draconian manner, and seal the border. The economy would boom, gas prices would drop, people would feel safe, and they would then not rebel. The only reason the Soviet Union fell was because of its economic model, you can buy the populace off with economic prosperity and security, and create a nearly invulnerable regime. People care about themselves far more than principles, so it is easy. People will trade liberty for money and security. People only really opposed the fascist regimes when the war went bad, causing shortages and feelings of insecurity.

[Star Traveler]

You said -- "1) To pull off the "from one ocean to the other and in all major cities", lots of people are involved. OPSEC goes to he!! exponentially in ops that size. We probably break this up long before it gets close to being able to do much damage."

Well..., Steven Emerson documented this type of thing in Oklahoma City in his video. No one wanted to believe it. He was banned from being on the public broadcasting station. Even now no one wants to address those things that he showed and said on that video (Jihad in America). They don't have to keep anything secret -- they just have to say it's their "religion" and everyone stays away. They're planning all this as *part of their religion*.

It's no secret now and no one is doing anything about it. They have already stated that they want to take over the U.S. and make it a Muslim country. Is that a secret? Does anyone want to do anything about it? No and no. It's just that no one wants to believe it and puts it under the category of "religion".

They have small sleeper cells all over the place from every mosque. In the mosques they have materials about killing the infidel. Does anyone do anything about that? NO... They just have to keep doing the same thing as they have been doing and nothing will be done about it -- until -- it actually happens. I just don't know why people think they can still be allowed to teach and preach and put out the materials on that kind of stuff and recruit more and more terrorists right here in the U.S. They come from all over the world to meet here and discuss how to defeat the U.S.

What secret? There's no secret here....

Regards,
Star Traveler

[Bob J]

Listen to the replay. www.Rightalk.com.

[Bob J]

There are some here proposing that since they haven't used them yet, they won't. Poor logic if you ask me.

[Star Traveler]

You said -- "2) There are quite a few of us willing to exercise our second amendment rights (with extreme prejudice) in defense of the homeland. Mosques would be fairly high on my personal target list under these circumstances."

Well, that's fine and dandy. I would hope so. But, that's *after the fact*. I would sure hope we would put an end to all those Muslims carrying on the attacks and eliminate all the mosques at that time and make the religion of Islam *illegal* -- at that time. If we couldn't do it then -- I don't know when we could ever do that...

You also say that the military would be free to fight overseas. I'm not sure about that. If there's martial law here and attacks are going on all over the place -- I would say that they might be concentrating on things at home, first -- before whatever is going on overseas. I just don't know, though and I guess we'll have to see. It would be a terrible time, though.

Regards,
Star Traveler

[steve86]

I think you are confusing the prophet with The God.

I'm on my way now so I won't be able to respond immediately if you reply.

[Star Traveler]

You said -- "Then call me when Zimbabwe revolutionizes high tech."

You're talking about an entire country and how the people do -- in general -- in that regard.

I'm only talking about key individuals who will be able to carry off an attack. They've already shown that these individuals can be in place in one country, receive training in another country and attack across borders and cultures.

I didn't say that an entire country could attack the U.S. But, terrorists sure can and they've done it. They can take individuals from many different countries and do whatever they need to do -- whatever the cultural differences are.

It's *Islam* that is the problem -- not Zimbabwe or any other country like Zimbabwe. And, as a result of it being *Islam* -- you can take people from across *all cultures* (no matter what country you're talking about) -- train them in any manner and way, move them from country to country, buy whatever *details* you need, add more *details* to your plan by the people you have (and they can be just as intelligent as the most intelligent in our country) -- and with time and money and energy and dedication -- they can put it all together to have a major terrorist attack of WMD proportions. The U.S. (and officials) have already pretty much admitted that this *is* going to happen. I've heard enough officials say that (through newspaper articles and other official testimony in Congress). It's *already* a foregone conclusion that this is going to happen. The only questions is what type, how, where and how big.

Get ready for the big one....

Regards,
Star Traveler

[ottersnot]

I guess they aren't afraid of our nuclear payback when they explode their dirty bomb.

Can't imagine using nuclear weapons on the US will go unpunished.

[doug from upland]

Exactly.

[NAVY84]

I think you are correct about citizens wanting blood but, I believe that we will be able to do as well with a conventional response. The nuke response would in my opinion be used only for 'The Big One'. The U.S. would take way to much shiite for a nuke response to be worth the effort. I do not believe a nuke here is a significant threat at the moment. We get a heads up I think in the form of a nuke in Israel before we see one here. In that case Israel goes down swinging so we would get to pick our target list from their leftovers.

Our response will not cause or prevent the guy at the 7-11's suffering. More likely his leaders here will control how he is treated. The U.S. muslim leadership will have only a short period of time to respond correctly or suffer the consequences. A number of muslims dancing in the streets after a nuke attack (or any attack for that matter) will seal their fates IMHO.

[NAVY84]

"It would be a terrible time, though"

Absolutely true.

As to your previous post, also absolutely true. The cover of religion is a powerful tool in the hands of our enemies. I have been unable to find a way around the Constitution and the courts so we will just have to keep our eyes peeled, our powder dry and Pray.