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Why Isn't Socialism Dead
TCS Daily ^ | 5 May 2006 | Lee Harris

Posted on 05/05/2006 5:59:43 AM PDT by RKV

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Long and informative article on the resurgence of populist socialism. MONEY QUOTE: "Men need myths -- and until capitalism can come up with a transformative myth of its own, it may well be that many men will prefer to find their myths in the same place they found them in the first part of the twentieth century -- the myth of revolutionary socialism."
1 posted on 05/05/2006 5:59:45 AM PDT by RKV
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To: RKV

As long as half the population is on the left side of the bell curve, and responds to populist idiocy that "I am a failure because the rice are taking it all", socialism will continue to thrive.


2 posted on 05/05/2006 6:02:01 AM PDT by Clemenza (If you don't trust the government to buy your groceries, why trust it to educate your children?)
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To: RKV

Socialism will be alive as long as stupidity is popular.


3 posted on 05/05/2006 6:04:20 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: RKV

Socialism may not be deat but Bolivia soon will be.


4 posted on 05/05/2006 6:05:25 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: Clemenza
What have you got against rice???

;o)
5 posted on 05/05/2006 6:06:41 AM PDT by LIConFem (A fronte praecipitium, a tergo lupi.)
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To: RKV

According to the American left, the right people haven't tried it yet. That would be them, I guess.


6 posted on 05/05/2006 6:07:34 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: Clemenza

TAX THE RICE!


7 posted on 05/05/2006 6:09:05 AM PDT by OSHA (Liberal Utopia: When they shoot people going over the wall.)
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To: LIConFem
LOL! I was thinking about what I was having for lunch today, Arborio rice with vegetables.

The damn rice have everything I tell ya! Especially the white rice!

8 posted on 05/05/2006 6:09:12 AM PDT by Clemenza (If you don't trust the government to buy your groceries, why trust it to educate your children?)
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To: RKV

Revolutionary socialism revival coming soon to a city near you.

Unfortunately the socialist libs are gaining strength thru the people they are supporting.


9 posted on 05/05/2006 6:09:48 AM PDT by stopem (To allow a bunch of third world country nationals to divide Americans is unconscionable!)
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To: RKV

"Why isn't socialism dead?"

Because we live in a fallen world.


10 posted on 05/05/2006 6:10:50 AM PDT by keats5
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To: RKV
When you look at the history of Socialism (and a bloody one it is)you have to come to the conclusion that Socialism is as Socialism does.

And what it does is confiscate existing wealth, and institute policies that make future wealth almost impossible except for those instituting the Socialist policies.
11 posted on 05/05/2006 6:11:02 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (If you build it, they won't come...)
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To: JimRed

Yep. Given the actual historical results, counting on socialism is a matter of faith, and not of reason.


12 posted on 05/05/2006 6:11:05 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: RKV
As long as humans experience a period of needy immaturity in their life cycles, socialism will have a voice.

It is not until a person becomes mature and fully self-reliant that the inherent evil of socialism becomes apparent.

 

13 posted on 05/05/2006 6:11:36 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ISLAM: The Other Psychosis)
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To: RKV
Bolivia needs these companies to tap its natural gas resources, because it is unable, at least at present, to operate the natural gas fields on its own.

Another Atlas Shrugged moment in the making.

14 posted on 05/05/2006 6:13:37 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: RKV
Men need myths -- and until capitalism can come up with a transformative myth of its own...

Capitalism is a philosophy of individual success, not group identities.

Socialism has myths of triumphant groups inheriting the earth. There is some power in that sort of myth. Capitalism's myths are of the Horatio Alger sort. But the academics try very hard to ridicule that. The great American industrialists of the late nineteenth century were all pilloried as "Robber Barons".

Everyone -- even many Conservatives -- wants to drag down the people at the top. Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Ken Lay, Martha Stewart -- they don't have too many friends. Achieving the dream of success under capitalism really puts a target on your back. Building a glorious myth out of that is hard.

But Ayn Rand did it, so it can be done.

15 posted on 05/05/2006 6:14:42 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Never question Bruce Dickinson!)
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To: RKV

The reason its not dead is because its a religion to the left.


16 posted on 05/05/2006 6:14:58 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: 6SJ7

Ayn Rand was something of a prophetess, wasn't she?


17 posted on 05/05/2006 6:15:06 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: LIConFem; OSHA; Clemenza
What have you got against rice???; TAX THE RICE!


18 posted on 05/05/2006 6:16:31 AM PDT by edpc
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To: edpc
Hey, I didn't know Condi played football!!

;o)
19 posted on 05/05/2006 6:18:09 AM PDT by LIConFem (A fronte praecipitium, a tergo lupi.)
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To: edpc

Having been a 49er fan since I was quite young, I can assure you the Jerry Rice has been taxed - a lot. He made a chunk of change playing ball, and the IRS surely got a piece of the action. ;>)


20 posted on 05/05/2006 6:18:54 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: RKV

Why Isn't socialism dead?

Good question, but the answer is that it's not dead because it offers total power to those at the top. My opinion is that's what Hillary sees in it, for instance.


21 posted on 05/05/2006 6:19:31 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Delicacy, precision, force)
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To: RKV

And so, unfortunately is history. From the Gay Nineties (1890s) paralleling Clinton's years, to the upsurgence of populist movements starting around 1905, paralleling the diminishing of democratic governments in South America, we seem to be on a path that could run to total war in the next ten years.

Re my tagline, it looks more and more impossible every day.
So many people WANT to be "looked after" and thus told what to do, that despots of every kind are eager to "give" these little people what they desire.


22 posted on 05/05/2006 6:22:51 AM PDT by maica ( We have a destination in mind, and that is a freer world. -- G W Bush)
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To: RKV

Socialism is making a resurgence. In this country. And if the Democrats take the majority in 06 and 08, capitalism will be for all intents and purposes finished in this country.


23 posted on 05/05/2006 6:23:02 AM PDT by Peach
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To: RKV
the reason socialism will never die is two-sided:

on the one side, people are jealous of those with more and crave security from want

on the other side, is the power to control others by fostering the illusion.

24 posted on 05/05/2006 6:23:05 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Clemenza
Arborio rice with vegetables.

If you like Arborio, try this:

Giada's Risotto

Her recipes are pretty good and she's easy on the eyes...


25 posted on 05/05/2006 6:26:20 AM PDT by edpc
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To: Peach

The GOP of today, isn't much for capitalism itself. If it's big business, capable of delivering big campaign contributions, that seems to be OK. Small and medium businesses aren't OK to the Repubs. Tort reform is stalled in Congress. Taxes have been lowered, but not permananently, to keep the threat of a Democratic (socialist) legislature up front. Business regulations passed by prior DemocRATic legislatures haven't been repealed. The BOR isn't in great shape either. The motto seems to be "the GOP, a kinder gentler (slightly slower) path to socialism."


26 posted on 05/05/2006 6:30:49 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: cinives

Yep, even though both the Ten Commandments and the Seven Deadly Sins forbid/warn against covetousness, greed, envy - class warfare continues unabated.


27 posted on 05/05/2006 6:32:22 AM PDT by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: RKV

Socialism is the best way for the rich and powerful to go on exploiting and controlling the poor and the middle class. It prevents you frm getting where tehy are, whcih is why the rich make the best socialists.


28 posted on 05/05/2006 6:35:38 AM PDT by TBP
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To: Sam Cree
...but the answer is that it's not dead because it offers total power to those at the top.

And for those on the bottom; i.e., everyone else, it offers the promise of a PowerBall Lotto--the "chance" of a free lunch, free housing, free medical benefits, and guaranteed income for life.

The only thing is, there's no such thing as a free lunch.

29 posted on 05/05/2006 6:37:33 AM PDT by Lou L
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To: RKV

Socialism isn't dead yet because the hildabeast is still living.


30 posted on 05/05/2006 6:38:49 AM PDT by taillightchaser (!)
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To: Clemenza

As usual, we can blame it on White Rice-ism! ;^)


31 posted on 05/05/2006 6:42:41 AM PDT by LiveFreepOrDie
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To: RKV
Socialism isn't dead because the system gives great power to the government officials that administrate it.

32 posted on 05/05/2006 6:45:32 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: taillightchaser

If getting rid of the hildabeast was all it would take to get rid of socialism I'd do it myself and count the cost cheap. It ain't that simple. Human nature being what it is, greed and fear are powerful motivators. For those who don't have moral restraints, socialism relies heavily on those two human failings.


33 posted on 05/05/2006 6:49:59 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: RKV

Ignorance among a majority of the populace, is bliss for those in the nasty business of imposing socialism upon them.


34 posted on 05/05/2006 6:53:13 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Those waiting to legally immigrate, weren't invited to the illegal alien Mayday riot.Why ?)
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To: TBP

Good point. Even here in the (sort of) capitalist US, high taxes (and particularly "progressive" income taxes) are designed to prevent hard working middle class people from getting rich. If they got rich, they would have the time (and the experience) to re-shape our political landscape in ways that the current "elite" wouldn't like.


35 posted on 05/05/2006 6:53:39 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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This is the first I have read such a thorough analysis of Socialism as, essentially, a religion. That is precisely what it is, a godless, secular religion based on a repeatedly disproven myth.

Sorel also perverts the faith of Christianity to make his comparison. To reduce the Christian faith to a "myth that Christ will one day return and usher in the end of time" is an intellectually lazy construct of convenience. If the belief in the second coming of Christ was all Christianity had to offer, I dare say there wouldn't be many Christians in the world.

But the myth is all that socialism has to offer most people. Those who better understand it know that socialism creates a famously wealthy ruling class, so they likely have more realistic, though certainly more selfish, reasons for promoting it.

36 posted on 05/05/2006 6:59:26 AM PDT by TChris ("Wake up, America. This is serious." - Ben Stein)
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Why Isn't Socialism Dead?

Because one critical difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.

37 posted on 05/05/2006 7:00:05 AM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: TChris

Glad you like the article. I want to check out the author's book now.


38 posted on 05/05/2006 7:02:29 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: RKV
Politicians must appear to be compassionate and empathetic to get the most votes. Capitalism (hard work, self-reliance, forebearance) is a hard sell.

Look at David Cameron in the UK, under him the Tories are gaining ground for the first time in years because he appears to be a socialist. Brits will find out for sure only after he is elected.

Republicans must learn to say one thing, and do another. This trait comes easy to a true politician.


BUMP

39 posted on 05/05/2006 7:03:10 AM PDT by capitalist229 (Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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"Republicans must learn to say one thing, and do another."
I don't agree. In fact this is dead wrong. In fact, this iw what we have now. Party of "smaller government" my@ss. Etc.
"This trait comes easy to a true politician."
Yep. Doesn't make it right, and doesn't work out in the long term.
40 posted on 05/05/2006 7:09:29 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: CarrotAndStick
Socialism will be alive as long as stupidity is popular.

Well said!

41 posted on 05/05/2006 7:09:31 AM PDT by Thermalseeker
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To: FormerLib

Whereas stupidity knows no bounds! LOL.


42 posted on 05/05/2006 7:14:06 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: Clemenza

I would say that a big part of the problem, in places like Venezuela, is that income distribution doesn't look anything like a bell curve. I'd guess that it probably has a very big bulge down near the bottom, a fairly low level through the middle incomes, and then a smaller bulge up at the higher end - i.e. big mass of desperate poverty, a small to moderately-size middle class, and a few ultra-rich. That's what makes so many people willing to embrace radical revolutionary thinking in a place like Venezuela.

OTOH, the income distribution in the US, for example, probably is more like a bell curve, and socialism does appeal to those on the left side of the curve, but not strongly enough to enough people to engender support of a Marxist revolutionary.


43 posted on 05/05/2006 7:17:44 AM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: keats5
The Antichrist is the ultimate socialist dictator.
44 posted on 05/05/2006 7:24:49 AM PDT by marbren
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To: William Terrell

Someone has said, "Socialism works - for those in charge."


45 posted on 05/05/2006 7:25:29 AM PDT by Noumenon (Yesterday's Communist sympathizers are today's terrorist sympathizers)
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But if this is the case, which I personally think it is, then why are we witnessing what certainly appears to be a revival of socialist rhetoric and even socialist pseudo-solutions, such as the nationalization of foreign companies?

Because of "free trade".
46 posted on 05/05/2006 7:27:12 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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This is why socialism isn't dead, and why in our own century it may well spring back into life with a force and vigor shocking to those who have, with good reason, declared socialism to be no longer viable.

Socialism is alive and well in Europe and there is creeping socialism in the US. Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security are increasing in scope and cost.

48 million Americans receive Social Security benefits, including 33 million retirees, 7 million survivors, and 8 million disabled workers. There are 50 million Medicaid recipients.

Nearly 80% of Americans pay more in Social Security taxes than they do in federal income tax.

By 2030, there will be 70 million Americans of retirement age--twice as many as today.

Social Security pays more than $450 billion in benefits each year. If nothing is done, by 2060, the combination of Social Security and Medicare will account for more than 71 percent of the federal budget.

47 posted on 05/05/2006 7:30:51 AM PDT by kabar
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A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.

~Professor Alexander Tytler

48 posted on 05/05/2006 7:32:28 AM PDT by Mase
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Why Isn't Socialism Dead

OOPS sorry. I thought this was a thread about Hillary.

49 posted on 05/05/2006 7:35:29 AM PDT by phil1750 (Love like you've never been hurt;Dance like nobody's watching;PRAY like it's your last prayer)
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Bolivia needs these companies to tap its natural gas resources, because it is unable, at least at present, to operate the natural gas fields on its own.

This is the socialist model. Marx as much as admitted that socialism can't get the job done; it doesn't come into its own until the capitalists have done the heavy lifting. Then economic systems "evolve" into the communist model, often by way of socialism.

For what it's worth, the nationalized Saudi oil oligopoly is just about the same model. American know-how found the oil and brought it out, then the production was turned over to the bedouins. And now we're paying to buy the oil that we found in the first place.

50 posted on 05/05/2006 7:38:44 AM PDT by IronJack
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