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Senate Votes to Build 370 Miles of Fence Along Border With Mexico
FOX ^ | Wednesday, May 17, 2006 | FOX

Posted on 05/17/2006 12:53:23 PM PDT by petertare

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To: absalom01

"But it always seemed that the immigration issue would get the genuine bigots fulminating with red faces from the back of the room, to the extent you just didn't want to even associate with 'em."

Mywife is a legal immigrant born in Korea.

She is adamantly opposed to illegal immigration and to amnesty and the kinds of unfair leg up for illegal immigrants. I think legal immigrants know more than anyone that immigration is a privilege that shouldnt be abused by lawbreakers.


121 posted on 05/17/2006 2:48:40 PM PDT by WOSG (Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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To: petertare

On May 1st, 2006, as a result of the Mexican boycott promoted across our country, national retailers reported 4.2% lower sales for the day and a whopping 67.8% reduction in shoplifting.


122 posted on 05/17/2006 2:49:17 PM PDT by rocksblues (Liberals are serial liars)
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To: rocksblues

Forgot the /S.


123 posted on 05/17/2006 2:50:10 PM PDT by rocksblues (Liberals are serial liars)
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To: WOSG

"She is adamantly opposed to illegal immigration and to amnesty and the kinds of unfair leg up for illegal immigrants. I think legal immigrants know more than anyone that immigration is a privilege that shouldnt be abused by lawbreakers."

I would certainly not dispute that. I was trying to point out that the tendency of some unsavory characters to be attracted to this has made it difficult to deal with the policy issues in a rational way. IOW, one reason that the left has been able to tar the real immigration reform movement as racist is that there are some actual racists who (loudly) demand some of the same policies that we do.

But, that's largely water under the bridge, at least for now. The issue, for a lot of reasons, has broken out from its niche or regional base, and has generated a broad mainstream consensus: "Enforcment first. No amnesty. We'll talk about "guest workers" after we settle the first two." This is not necessarily how I would want to approach things in an ideal world, but rather is my read as to what seems to be a rapidly building centrist consensus position, at least for folks outside of the beltway.


124 posted on 05/17/2006 3:09:55 PM PDT by absalom01 (NRA,CRPA)
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To: absalom01

"I would certainly not dispute that. I was trying to point out that the tendency of some unsavory characters to be attracted to this has made it difficult to deal with the policy issues in a rational way. "

I'd point out that underneath that's an ad hominem argument.
Further, majorities of Americans support the House bill approach (HR 4437). Let's go that way.


125 posted on 05/17/2006 3:11:56 PM PDT by WOSG (Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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To: petertare

Conservative demands?

No one except those evil conservatives wants national security?


126 posted on 05/17/2006 3:14:02 PM PDT by Excellence (Since November 6, 1998)
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To: WOSG

"Further, majorities of Americans support the House bill approach (HR 4437)."

Agreed. This would have the great advantage of comporting with political reality vs. the "all at once" approach advocated by the party leadership.

"underneath that's an ad hominem argument."

No, I think it's more correctly termed guilt by association.


127 posted on 05/17/2006 3:27:17 PM PDT by absalom01 (NRA,CRPA)
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To: petertare

Yeah but they call for citizenship for illegals here now. The only thing they're going to accomplish is keep the illegals who should be thrown out in the country. Thanks a bunch you bunch of sellouts.


128 posted on 05/17/2006 3:38:30 PM PDT by pctech
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To: petertare
Who is left to keep out with a fence?

The Senate bill will let in 100-190 million aliens in the next twenty years, legally, with papers, at border entry points.

With this massive (five fold) increase in legal migration, even a pefect 2000 mile wall would be nonsense, a "Maginot line" that third-world migrants outflank by entering legally though the hugely expanded legal numbers.

The result: We become a crowded, non-Western country, but with a really nice fence.

129 posted on 05/17/2006 3:39:06 PM PDT by RodgerD
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To: drpix
Just checking webpage for amendments to Senate Immigration Bill - and they moved from one URL to another URL.

Here's the new link (for as long as IT lasts): thomas.gov

130 posted on 05/17/2006 3:57:02 PM PDT by drpix
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To: jimmango

And cortina wire. . .


131 posted on 05/17/2006 4:04:14 PM PDT by doberville
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To: TomGuy

The bill authorizes appropriation of funds to pay for it.

I'll bet it could be built with taxpayer donations and wouldn't cost a cent beyond voluntary contributions.

I just hope the construction process doesn't become a boondoggle.

The correct order of action is:

Build the fence and enforce the border. Deport the illegals (with priority for the violent criminals). Adjust foreign policy so as to NOT prop up corrupt regimes such as Mexico. Then think about policies to MAYBE increase immigration.


132 posted on 05/17/2006 4:09:04 PM PDT by generally (Ask me about FReepers Folding@Home)
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To: WOSG
While the Senate bill currently includes amnesty, when it goes to conference with the House, the House WILL NOT AGREE to anything that even smalls like amnesty. This will create a conundrum for amnesty supporters...do they do a deal with the House or not?

Would Hastert allow a joint bill on the floor of the house that includes an amnesty provision? I doubt it...it'd get most dem votes and probably enough Rep votes to pass, but I don't think the House GOP leadership will even let it hit the floor...much less agree to the provision in conference.

133 posted on 05/17/2006 4:34:32 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: meandog

Sounds like the Maginot Line. They'll just go around it.


134 posted on 05/17/2006 4:46:55 PM PDT by Chicos_Bail_Bonds
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To: petertare

I look for the president to veto this one.


135 posted on 05/17/2006 4:48:41 PM PDT by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile.)
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To: petertare

We should build 370 miles of fence around the Senate, to prevent them from making things worse....


136 posted on 05/17/2006 6:07:13 PM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Reagan Man

Israel has almost a pure terrorism issue with their fence - we don't have that with mexico.

forgive me regarding the landmine comment - I got carried away after reading the boiling oil moat and machine gun ideas - which of course, I understand are facetious. But still, that general approach is not the way to go.

I can live with the anti-vehicle barrier, the fence, the sensors, the surveillance. the barbed wire concerns me, because the first time ABC can get a video of someone being cut to ribbons caught in it, public support for the security fence will drop 20%.


137 posted on 05/17/2006 6:52:43 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview

and let me also add - the barbed wire doesn't concern me only because of the "spin" issue I noted - I don't generally see that we want to physically injure anyone with this security fence.


138 posted on 05/17/2006 6:57:08 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview
This is no time for political correctness. We are faced with two critical concerns closely tied to the future of all Americans. First off, the US is in a longterm struggle with international terrorism. This conflict could last 25-50 years, or more. Securing the borders is a national defense issue and should have been addressed immediately after 9-11. Second. This is about stopping foreigners from entering the US illegally. How many of those foreigners are criminals is well known. How many of those foreigners are terrorists, is anyones guess. Most Americans understand what is at stake.

>>>> .... the first time ABC can get a video of someone being cut to ribbons caught in it, public support for the security fence will drop 20%.

And the next terrorist attack on the US could be with WMD. Time to wise up.

139 posted on 05/17/2006 9:25:45 PM PDT by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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