North American Union to Replace USA? ("is this the plan?" alert!)

HumanEventsOnline.com ^ | 5/19/2006 | Jerome R. Corsi

[You Dirty Rats]

Why doesn’t President Bush just tell the truth? His secret agenda is to dissolve the United States of America into the North American Union.

This kind of nonsense doesn't even rise to the level of moonbat.

[lemura]

You think that Mexico will vote to become a territory of the United States

I think it's inevitable that we will annex Mexico. Why should US citizens pick-up the tab (and lose our national identity in the process) dealing with another 100m of their citizens without getting anything in return?

[beyond the sea]

danke.........

[Dark Skies]

But these conspiracy rants detract from real discussion of the plan - the major flaw in the plan is that it doesn't deal with 12 million+ illegals already here.

Of course, you may be correct and I will give it serious consideration.

[gondramB]

>>What would convince you this is real?<<

Well it would help if the CFR proposals actually said anything like what they claim it says. This isn't even a good conspiracy theory becuase it is so easily checked. The report is public. You remember the Freeper who used to call us all quislings - I've asked him a dozen times to simply read the report instead of trusting conspiracy summaries and he would never do it.

It would also help if this wasn't being slanted to hurt the President.

[gondramB]

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It is no joke.>

The report absolutely exists -it's just doesn't say anything like what the conspiracy people claim.

[antisocial]

Compare the membership of the CFR to those that are on the House and Senate Foreign relations committees.

[hedgetrimmer]

There is no 'or'. The Constution clearly authorizes controlling the border and citizenship. It does not authorize going 'whole hog on the whole pot'. To entertain any other idea, is to consider the overthrow of our government for something else.

We cannot 'annex' Mexico. We can conquer them (which would be abrogating our constitution), or we can allow Mexican citizens to vote to become a territory of the United States, then allow the states to vote on whether to let them in.

[gondramB]

>>Also look up the membership at the CFR site<<

thney have a lot of famous members.

About the same portion of important Washington folks belong to the CFR as the portion of Atlantans who belong to the best country club.

[gondramB]

>> But these conspiracy rants detract from real discussion of the plan - the major flaw in the plan is that it doesn't deal with 12 million+ illegals already here.

Of course, you may be correct and I will give it serious consideration.<<

Cool. All I would suggest is looking at the source materials first hand.

[mjolnir]

"Free trade" and open borders are two sides of the same coin.

Not at all. Free trade between nations requires that there be nations capable of freely trading.

For there to be nations capable of freely trading requires that there be nations, period, which requires borders.

Ireland is a great example. They lowered tariffs and taxes, which the rest of the EU has not done. Therefore, Ireland has enjoyed greater growth and proseperity than the rest of the EU countries. Now, if the EU forces Ireland to raise its taxes to be more in line with France and the rest, well, that's not free trade. Free trade requires nations like Ireland to be able to set their own pplicies with regard to taxes and the rest. Free trade trade is based upon tax competition, NOT tax harmonization... And that requires regulated borders. Which country in the Middle East has been forced to regulate its borders carefully with a wall? That's right, Israel. Which country in the Middle East has the most open trade policies? Right--- Israel again.

[processing please hold]

But these conspiracy rants detract from real discussion of the plan - the major flaw in the plan is that it doesn't deal with 12 million+ illegals already here.

What major flaw? If borders are non existent and we are the North American Continent, there won't be such a thing as illegal aliens.

[Rockitz]

I came to this conclusion a while back and have been posting my thoughts on it regularly on this forum.

The behavior of our president and certain members of the US senate has been very confusing relative to the illegal immigration issue, but I believe I finally understand the underlying dynamic of the situation. Many people think the president and certain senators:

1) have a heart for illegal immigrants- WRONG! or
2) are reaching out to illegals and trying to build their respective voting constituencies for the future- MOSTLY WRONG!

The overarching truth is, in their worldview, it's a world of business and sovereign nations only serve to restrict business operations and ultimately, profits. Who needs borders? Free trade, cheap labor, and open borders for all! Yep, they're all one world government whores sold out to their big business constituents. That's the only explanation that is consistent with their actions over the last 20 years. In truth, they've all sold us down the river for big business and a one world government which will benefit.... you guessed it.... big business.

[lemura]

The Constution clearly authorizes controlling the border and citizenship.'

I think we are on the same page. We know what is happening today. We know who is abrogating their repsonsibilities. My suggestions are hints at where policy initiatives today may lead us. Nothing more need be said.

[hedgetrimmer]

DOBBS: Border security is arguably the critical issue in this country's fight against radical Islamist terrorism. But our borders remain porous. So porous that three million illegal aliens entered this country last year, nearly all of them from Mexico.

Now, incredibly, a panel sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations wants the United States to focus not on the defense of our own borders, but rather create what effectively would be a common border that includes Mexico and Canada.


CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): On Capitol Hill, testimony calling for Americans to start thinking like citizens of North America and treat the U.S., Mexico and Canada like one big country.

ROMANS: The idea here is to make North America more like the European Union. Yet, just this week, voters in two major countries in the European Union voted against upgrading -- updating the European constitution. So clearly, this is not the best week to be trying to sell that idea.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/09/ldt.01.html

[adorno]

His secret agenda is to dissolve the United States of America into the North American Union

I think that a North American Confederation of states is inevitable. When it will happen is a little hard to call, but say within 25 years. Read it and weep.

I agree with you. It's bound t happen sooler or later.

But the name for this new (and much bigger) nation should continue to be "The United States of America". After all, Canada and Mexico are also in the Americas. The only thing needed is to break up the new partners into states. So Mexico would contribute some 8 new states and Canada would contribute perhaps 14.

[mjolnir]

Hmm... News from CNN. Yeah, they certainly don't have any motive in smearing President Bush.

[hedgetrimmer]

And did you just say that you think the President created the homeland security department as part of plot to do away with the U.S. as a nation?

No, but you did.

I asked if you knew where the department of homeland security got its name.

[gondramB]

>>What major flaw? If borders are non existent and we are the North American Continent, there won't be such a thing as illegal aliens.<<


That's fine except the CFR plan calls for stronger borders and only talks about cooperating with neighbors so that's really a non-sequiter.

Maybe the CFR was able to foresee the coming crisis and thought we couldn't get a sane immigration bill so they settled for border security.

But I'd like to see more than that.

[teawithmisswilliams]

That sounds bizarre as hell, but on the other hand the bizarre is becoming more and more to represent the norm in this twisted world of ours.

It's a credible theory, since it fits so many of the bizarre facts: The Bush family embracing Bill Clinton, the strange deference of our President to Vicente Fox, the refusal of GWB and our elites to hear the will of the people regarding massive Latin American invasion, etc. Our President seems hell-bent on merging us with Mexico, "our friend and neighbor."