Rush Limbaugh Thread Friday May 19, 2006

Simply stunning. ABC "News" nnot find enough time or space to accurately report on Iraq, the Economy, the NSA, Immigration and virtually EVERY other isse of importance but can find time and space to waste on the Hate American Always Crowds lunatic stupitiy about 9-11. The sooner they go bankrupt, the better.

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Skip to comments. New Tape Stirs Up 9/11 Conspiracy Theories ABCnews.com ^ | 5-16-03 | Staff Posted on 05/16/2006 4:59:04 PM PDT by veronica The minute the Pentagon released images of the Sept. 11 attack on its building, the message boards at ABCNEWS.com lit up with conspiracy theories. Some blame it on an inside job by members of the Bush administration to benefit their business interests. Some say it was planned by neoconservatives to advance their worldview. Others don't know what happened but doubt the official story put forward by the government. The world of conspiracy theories surrounding the Sept. 11 attacks is vast, and more than four years after the worst terrorist incident on U.S. soil, countless scenarios are put forth on the Internet, in academic forums and on talk radio each day. Some are of the "MIHOP" variety, which claim people in power made it happen on purpose, while others are of the "LIHOP" kind — they let it happen on purpose. With Tuesday's release of video footage of American Airlines Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon building, an attack that killed 184 people on Sept. 11, questions rage again. "It doesn't clarify anything — I don't see a plane in that image," said Michael Berger, spokesman for 911Truth.org. "In fact, I thought that was underwhelming." Berger said 911Truth.org "would like to see various conspiracy theories laid to rest as well" and does not believe the government has addressed "inherent contradictions" in evidence and testimony surrounding the events of that day. "We would like to know what happened," he said. "Four-and-a-half years later, we still don't have definitive proof that a plane hit that building." Berger said the group "has never said one way or another what happened at the Pentagon," but it did support the Freedom of Information Act requests that led to the Pentagon releasing the footage. But 911Truth.org does believe Sept. 11 has been used as the "justification for broader policies," both foreign and domestic, he said. Barrie Zwicker, a Canadian investigative reporter, documentary filmmaker and author of the upcoming book "Towers of Deception: The Media Cover-Up of 9/11," said the video does not answer the question of how any aerial vehicle — "a 757 or a missile or a fighter equipped with a missile or a fighter alone or a blimp or a Cessna" — could make it to the "central headquarters of the greatest military power that ever existed." "Even if it was a model airplane, for God's sake," Zwicker said. He also questioned the timing of the video's release. "For them to be releasing this video so late, why so late and why now?" he said.

FYI.....Duncan Hunter just had a LIVE presser regarding the Marines/Haditha matter.

He said that the report that has NOT been finished yet, regardless of what Murtha has been saying, will be sent to the top guy (I forgot his name, sorry)...at about the end of next week...he will read and study it..for how long, Duncan didn't know.

THEN, he said that HE will have hearings on this matter, and probably so will Sen. Warner in the Senate.

He then went on and said that over 970,000 different troops have fought or are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, and regardless of how this investigation ends, this incident with a few Marines, on one morning in Nov. of last years, should NOT reflect on the rest of the troops.

When questioned, he was asked why they are having hearings/investigations if this will be handled by the Military? And is Congress going to have a "trial" at the same time as the military?

Duncan said NO...they were going to go over evidence in this incident just "procedures"...hmmmmmmm

Then he was asked if it was a good thing for Congress to have hearings before there is even a trial, verdict, etc?

He pretty much didn't answer that I heard...just said that Americans need to know that "we" don't look the other way...and that "we" need to make sure that all protocol, blah, blah, is followed.

Other than that, he wouldn't answer any questions...just said he decided to have the presser to "clear up" some statements (Murtha) that have been made that not only mean nothing because the report isn't finished...but, that he is afraid that the MSM will "use" this incident to smear the rest of our troops.

Don't know if any of you are interested in this...but I am, so I thought I would share.

Hi Okiedoc,

Watching legislation being crafted, it is said, is like watching sausage being made. Having watched my wife MAKE Thai sausage from scratched, sometimes it isn't pretty.

I DO appreciate civil discussions of this topic. It has been flamed by many and that doesn't help us get to where we need to be, which really is to keep the conservative base together for November and beyond so we don't blow what we have.

Specifically,
1) I concede there are different interpretations as to "felonies" which would cause the disqualification. I really LOVE Saxby Chambliss and John Cornyn, but right now I believe they are using the House Felony definition to make their argument, but under the past interpretation, simply being here has not been considered until now a felony.
2) I'm not COUNTING on anything. I am simply saying that out of conference I would hope that someone would consider these things and since the House is more conservative that the Senate that this ban on providing public benefits for illegals to change the previous court rulings would be passed.
3)Same as 2); if the Senate can't fix it, hope the Conference will. I know "we'll fix it in conference" is a typical Beltway comment, but on a bill this complex one can hope.
4) Same as 3).
5) I have heard John Ensign and I like what he has to say. I think I did hear an FBI report cited on the floor that indicates a lot more fraudulent SS numbers are actual hackers than illegal immigrants, many of whom use dummy numbers like 555-55-5555. No, it ain't pretty, and identify theft ain't pretty. It is partly an executive branch function to tie together enough computer systems to catch this. Since I do computer systems, I think it could be done using the same sort of data mining they're doing on the phone surveillance.
6)We know people "can't" but DO work in the US through a variety of strategems. One--or both--of the biometric cards contemplated by the President and the bill--should minimize if not end this.
7) Identify theft is a major crime problem. The immigration issue CAN be an aggravating factor but my hunch is that terrorism is even more an aggravating reason the security services need to merge the data so it can be caught. My point is that it is a problem whether you think of immigration or not. It's a Problem we need to address.
8) I question the 187 million number. I heard the Heritage guy (Rector) this a.m. on Laura's show, and he IS depending on a worst case analysis. Believe me, if we started getting to that number public policy WILL have changed so it won't happen, so I just doubt it. I think demographics are inexact predictors of future behavior.
9) If I had my druthers, a major component of this legislation WOULD be and MUST be BICE reform to computerize the major systems of the Agency to speed up normal LEGAL immigration and catch illegal applications. It is my belief based on my experiences with the agency with my wife and many of her friends that the agency is seriously broken and only a systemic reform can fix it. So I would SPEED the entire line, but make sure that only those eligibe were IN the line.
10) I love Sen. Sessions. Some of our posters (women, mainly) call him Sen. "cute as a button". He's smart, was a prosecutor himself and knows his stuff. But HE's relying on demographics too, and my point is that no one knows. My guess is that he's taken the high number to make his point. There's nothing wrong with that--the number is in the range predicted. My point is that the prediction is probably as accurate as global warming--which is, not VERY.
11) You heard the same colloquy I did, so the issue is yet to be resolved.

I think you for your courteous and civilized discussion. I think this CAN be worked out as long as we're not flaming each other.
11)

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